EOS Telegram Channel History

pad17:23:40 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and i moderated a hacker community with > 100k members for a decade or so

pad17:23:45 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

we listed ban reasons

pad17:24:59 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and sandwich homers backwards away from flanders into the bushes

Sandwich17:25:06 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hacker community is a bit different than a community with incentivized fud.

pad17:25:30 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

you're selectively disregarding the whole fb/subreddit thing

pad17:25:38 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

but whatever suits your flawed argument, fren

Sandwich17:25:54 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Uh huh..

Sandwich17:26:03 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Let's see how that works out for you pad.

pad17:26:47 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

how *what* works out for me? dissenting opinion?

pad17:26:52 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

historically not well. around here at least.

Sandwich17:27:46 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

pad

how *what* works out for me? dissenting opinion?

There's plenty of dissenting opinions around here actually. But people do it without being antagonistic and disrepsectful to others.

pad17:28:04 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

> I don't think you realize how unpractical that is, you obviously have never moderated a crypto community.

pad17:28:14 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

antagonistic and disrespectful

pad17:28:16 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

first shots, too.

Sandwich17:28:37 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

🤦‍♂️

pad17:28:47 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

FakeNewsCounterfeiter

and then he was

pad17:29:03 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

🤦‍♂️

deflect.exe

Sandwich17:29:11 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Pad, I've helped thousands of people, you're in here starting fights. There's a huge difference.

Vo17:29:57 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

#oh boy

Vo17:29:57 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I can read through people’s intent and that isn’t lost because of text. It appears you are attempting to front run an already well established campaign talking point that EOS 42 and EOS NY (and ourselves) has pushed since day one. I guess by rehashing it you can position yourself politically around the topic in front of token holders who don’t know any better and include yourself in a list of people who have already been running on a platform of independence. Month(s) ago, many of us adopted a draft constitution and code of conduct (even before the final constitution was ready). You can read all of our statements around these issues in those corresponding posts. If you were truly contributing in the spirit of collaboration and not for political gain/positioning you would have taken the time to find that information and exclude us from your public comments regarding these issues. It just looks like you are trying to cast doubt and tear others down to build yourself up. It’s in bad taste and not in the spirit of collaboration that has become the social norms in the EOS ecosystem. You could have just compiled that list and identified those who had not adopted these principles in a public post, then outreached to those people. That would have been more thoughtful (and probably more productive).

pad17:30:03 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Pad, I've helped thousands of people, you're in here starting fights. There's a huge difference.

you... just started a fight with me by being "antagonistic and disrespectful"

Vo17:30:06 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

this thread is wonderful

Sandwich17:30:15 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Sandwich17:30:32 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

pad

you... just started a fight with me by being "antagonistic and disrespectful"

Calling it as I see it.

Vo17:30:34 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

FractaI

this thread is wonderful

https://t.me/EOSPros/30152

Vo17:30:41 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

start there

Vo17:30:49 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

It all relates

pad17:30:52 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Calling it as I see it.

as am i. people throw shit at each other in here all the time. must the alarm bells ring when i participate?

Vo17:30:57 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I totally forgot we have been through this before

Sandwich17:32:01 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

pad

as am i. people throw shit at each other in here all the time. must the alarm bells ring when i participate?

Tradition is to call it out, or are you new here>

pad17:32:23 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

probably watch your choice of words

Mathew17:33:11 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Pad, I've helped thousands of people, you're in here starting fights. There's a huge difference.

I can confirm sandwich has nourished me since my youth and I don't get through many lunch times without him

pad17:33:51 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

FakeNewsCounterfeiter

this guy is "trolling" and being "disrespectful." as such i request a temporary ban.

pad17:34:00 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

prudent to the channel rules which i have now absorbed.

pad17:34:12 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

multiple offenses spotted

Sandwich17:34:21 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

pad

this guy is "trolling" and being "disrespectful." as such i request a temporary ban.

There are not the droids you are looking for.

TK Sin17:34:48 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

pad

multiple offenses spotted

get a hobby

pad17:34:54 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

so selective enforcement

Sandwich17:34:56 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

A quick `from:pad` shows you have added little to no value.

Hustle Crypto17:35:02 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

SwitchIp

get a hobby

maybe an inflateable girlfriend perhaps

Hustle Crypto17:35:25 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

/end troll rant

pad17:35:43 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

pad

so selective enforcement

confirmed

TK Sin17:36:05 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Get your bag up boy.

Sandwich17:36:19 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You're still here aren't you? For now, one of the other 30 mods will get tired of you.

TK Sin17:36:40 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

#boot

Hustle Crypto17:36:41 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

@Datajunky

DataJunky | GenerEOS17:36:48 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

FakeNewsCounterfeiter

@Datajunky

suuuup

Hustle Crypto17:36:51 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

lol

pad17:36:53 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

SwitchIp

get a hobby

hobby = crypto

Hustle Crypto17:36:54 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

so quick

pad17:36:58 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

SwitchIp

Get your bag up boy.

biggest bag = eos

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Hustle Crypto17:37:40 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

actual footage of you switching telegram channels?

DataJunky | GenerEOS17:38:05 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

haha

Kealen Zaine17:39:15 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

FakeNewsCounterfeiter

actual footage of you switching telegram channels?

Lol

Kealen Zaine17:39:40 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Lately Most channels have fake predictions

DataJunky | GenerEOS17:42:47 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

UGH! I have to drive a 5 tonne truck and deliver furniture all evening. Promised my buddy I'd help him out while his driver recovers from a shoulder injury.. This job is brutal.

Hustle Crypto17:43:08 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

we need a snopes like telegram bot

Hustle Crypto17:43:09 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

lol

Sandwich17:43:43 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Or just a bot that replies "fud" or "hype" randomly

Sandwich17:43:50 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

It would be right most the time anyways.

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer17:46:03 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Datajunky

UGH! I have to drive a 5 tonne truck and deliver furniture all evening. Promised my buddy I'd help him out while his driver recovers from a shoulder injury.. This job is brutal.

Damn that's rough!

John Chamberlain17:46:51 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Lol nice gif

DataJunky | GenerEOS17:47:33 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

It would be right most the time anyways.

hahaha

pad17:47:52 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

You're still here aren't you? For now, one of the other 30 mods will get tired of you.

is the complete list:

pad17:47:53 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

kev_eosgo whyigotbanned biteos1 elvisthecat biteos DavidMoss Rauderce ricsonhong SteveChan7 JasonAcademy AbbyChristine Aztek_btc hkshwa lukestokes blooms05 sandw1ch hadrianBTS daniellarimer JonathanMohan

pad17:47:55 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

or are there others?

Sandwich17:48:40 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

that looks about right, could have just used the admin slash command instead of trying to demonstrate 1337ness by wasting 15 imnutes of your time.

Yves La Rose - EOS Nation / LINK17:49:00 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

admin

pad17:49:02 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

it took me about 10 seconds. i posted that list to the watchdogs group 2 days ago

pad17:49:23 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

not interested in a pissing match sandy

pad17:49:39 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

but uh

pad17:49:40 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

/admin

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pad17:49:49 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

kewl

Sandwich17:49:56 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

👍

Sandwich17:50:18 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

So ~20, looks like there was a slimmed 😄

pad17:52:00 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

coffee is no longer an admin because he joined a bp. should wilcox not be removed as well for the same reason?

TK Sin17:52:06 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

So ~20, looks like there was a slimming 😄

its quite amusing to see your tolerance with low IQ people

pad17:52:11 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

same as luke stokes?

pad17:52:25 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

or should coffee be reinstated

pad17:52:27 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

🤔

pad17:52:54 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

SwitchIp

its quite amusing to see your tolerance with low IQ people

hey now. there's no end to what you can poke fun at me about. that's not one of them.

Sandwich17:52:59 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

pad

coffee is no longer an admin because he joined a bp. should wilcox not be removed as well for the same reason?

coffee requested removal @HoneyBooBoosMom

Stew17:53:19 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

wait so how can we be arguing over wehther an action on an account is or is not someone

Stew17:53:26 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

is it that person's 12 character address?

Sandwich17:53:30 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I don't personally agree with proxies/bps being admins here.

pad17:53:32 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

coffee requested removal in conjunction with that change @HoneyBooBoosMom

honorable

Kevin | eospoker.win17:53:43 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

fjmocke

I do hope EOS offers more than gambling. I have a moral issue with it and thus don't invest. Would like to invest in a dapp with potential that is not gambling related

Try eosblack or evepedia or edna or trybe or etc,etc,etc. There are plenty of dapps on eos that have nothing to do with gambling.

pad17:53:47 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

I don't personally agree with proxies/bps being admins here, but I have no control over it.

sure you do. put it to a vote.

DataJunky | GenerEOS17:58:13 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

I don't personally agree with proxies/bps being admins here, but I have no control over it.

double whammy!

Ricardo Marliere17:59:44 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

FakeNewsCounterfeiter

if theres only 7 good options, why should i be forced to vote for 14 bad bps to reach 21

if you dont trust at least 15, you cant possibly use DPoS

Sandwich18:00:03 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

rbmarliere

Wait, chong?

Ponts18:00:05 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

bancorx telegram link please

Ricardo Marliere18:00:21 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

FakeNewsCounterfeiter

if theres only 7 good options, why should i be forced to vote for 14 bad bps to reach 21

now I see why you're so against REX requiring votes

Ricardo Marliere18:00:29 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Wait, chong? Another name change?

whoa plot twist

Ricardo Marliere18:00:38 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

😂😂😂😂

Hustle Crypto18:00:52 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

rbmarliere

now I see why you're so against REX requiring votes

now you "assume" why im against rex.....

Sandwich18:01:00 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I can't keep up Ricardo.

pad18:01:36 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

it'd be dope if people quoted bannable content with "/ban" and it went to an automated community vote with the strength of each vote relying on user score based on engagement over time

pad18:01:42 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

it'd be dope if people quoted bannable content with "ban" and it went to an automated community vote with the strength of each vote relying on user score based on engagement over time

pad18:01:56 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

like [@]vote or whatever

pad18:02:09 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

like the vote bot. muh decentralized community moderation.

Sandwich18:02:11 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

pad

it'd be dope if people quoted bannable content with "ban" and it went to an automated community vote with the strength of each vote relying on user score based on engagement over time

Oh man, that would be rough. Have you seen this channel during peak "troll" hours?

pad18:02:13 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

communities should only be able to censor themselves.

Sandwich18:02:20 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

We might have to start a chain just to track the bans.

Ricardo Marliere18:03:10 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

wen telegram eosio dapp

Sandwich18:03:11 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

pad

communities should only be able to censor themselves.

I'm all for it. develop the system 😄

Sandwich18:03:35 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Except, there is a pretty big difference between "moderation" and "censorship"

pad18:03:55 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

true

pad18:04:11 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

but if you promise to deploy it i'll consider coding it

Sandwich18:04:19 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Wait up, I needf to "censor" the spam in the developer channel..

Sandwich18:04:30 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

If it were an open system, might take a few hours to hit a threshold 😉

pad18:04:31 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

now you're just being a dick

Sandwich18:04:43 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Just being ironic

pad18:04:54 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

which threshold

pad18:05:08 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

you.. plan to censor those poor folks?

Ricardo Marliere18:05:16 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

pad

now you're just being a dick

still a sandwich bro, wut

pad18:05:41 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

> If it were an open system, might take a few hours to hit a threshold 😉

pad18:05:46 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

unpack that if you'll deploy what i'm talking about

Sandwich18:05:58 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Oi, turbulence over the pacific, joy.

Sandwich18:06:02 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

My favorite.

pad18:06:12 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

you can review the source. it would score community members based on their previous engagement and give them a higher banhammer score than others

pad18:06:15 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i think it would work

Sandwich18:06:22 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

👋

pad18:07:01 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

or not

Sandwich18:07:04 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

pad

you can review the source. it would score community members based on their previous engagement and give them a higher banhammer score than others

Sounds cool, I'd PR that

okayplanet | Patreos18:08:34 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

EOS SF Hackathon sold out! =)

Sandwich18:09:38 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

okayplanet

EOS SF Hackathon sold out! =)

💯

hadrian18:12:31 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Falling Water

Yah been banned here for stupid shit as well

It's probably better not to do stupid shit then 🤪 (Joke - I don't know what you actually got banned for)

hadrian18:14:10 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

hacker community is a bit different than a community with economically incentivized fud.

This

Sandwich18:14:20 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hadrianBTS

It's probably better not to do stupid shit then 🤪 (Joke - I don't know what you actually got banned for)

That's asking for way too much Hadrian, this is the internet.

pad18:14:29 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

pad

you're selectively disregarding the whole fb/subreddit thing

and this

okayplanet | Patreos18:14:54 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I hope to see some of you in SF. DM me if you want to meetup and chat about EOS stuff in a way that is productive, engaging, and not likely to make us yawn.

Sandwich18:18:05 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

okayplanet

I hope to see some of you in SF. DM me if you want to meetup and chat about EOS stuff in a way that is productive, engaging, and not likely to make us yawn.

I'll be around but will be busy.

Canllen18:23:04 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

good night.

Sandwich18:23:34 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Canllen

good night.

🌘

hadrian18:28:38 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

pad

and this

There's a lot of stuff posted in here which, as this group has a specific purpose and rules, is not acceptable. If it's too unacceptable it's likely to get deleted, and the bot or person may get a ban, temporary or otherwise.

CryptoConscious18:29:00 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Thoughts on the article which stated EOS isn't a blockchain?

pad18:29:25 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

minaciousintent

Thoughts on the article which stated EOS isn't a blockchain?

search here for the eosalliance response

pad18:29:30 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

tl;dr it is a blockchain

大大

大大18:29:39 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

杨颖Angelababy和黄晓明私密视频流出www.ais02.com

pad18:29:42 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and that research paper was sophisticated coordinated fud funded by opposition forces

pad18:29:51 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i.e. giant ethereum wallets

大大

大大18:30:06 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

杨颖Angelababy和黄晓明私密视频流出www.ais02.com

pad18:30:39 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

ddecarde

best tl;dr

CryptoConscious18:31:12 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I just searched, ten things popped up but nothing concerning topic. Can you forward to me please?

Erharhire Daisy18:32:20 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Hello

John McCoffee | Aloha EOS18:33:01 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

minaciousintent

I just searched, ten things popped up but nothing concerning topic. Can you forward to me please?

https://t.me/EOSproject/992566 dude was on a mission last night

hadrian18:38:21 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

minaciousintent

I just searched, ten things popped up but nothing concerning topic. Can you forward to me please?

https://medium.com/@thomas.cox_39839/db889ba5bcc8

Falling Water18:39:33 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

First sandwich man banned my privileges back in the day because I was encouraging voters to activate the first change, cause it looked like ghost busters was trying to start their chain first, second time I was out right banned by tiger man becuase I was defending Eos in the which he realized afterwards and unbanned me

Falling Water18:39:48 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

So yah it was over stupid shit

CryptoConscious18:40:15 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Thank you!

hadrian18:43:48 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Falling Water

First sandwich man banned my privileges back in the day because I was encouraging voters to activate the first chain, cause it looked like ghost busters was trying to start their chain first, second time I was out right banned by tiger man becuase I was defending Eos, which he realized afterwards and unbanned me

OK. I like the "sandwich man" and "tiger man". 🤣

Falling Water18:43:57 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Lol

hadrian18:44:16 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

minaciousintent

Thank you!

I've not read it yet, but probably should.

Falling Water18:44:41 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Hardrian you man too, congratulations

Falling Water18:45:12 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

If anyone earnned it, it's you

Falling Water18:45:20 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Very helpful

Sandwich18:49:41 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Falling Water

... You were temporarily banned, and that's absolutely not why.

Falling Water18:50:05 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Ok why?

hadrian18:50:11 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Falling Water

If anyone earnned it, it's you

Sorry, earned what?

Falling Water18:50:19 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Admin

Sandwich18:50:40 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I have no idea, I've banned very few people, and I would have **never** banned you for that.

Falling Water18:50:55 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Should have an award along with for your patience

Sandwich18:50:56 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I have also been accussed hundreds of times banning people that I didn't ban.,

Sandwich18:51:01 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hadrian18:51:05 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Falling Water

Admin

Oh yeah, I realised just before you replied what you meant. Thank you.

Sandwich18:52:33 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Falling Water

Ok why?

So please stop spreading lies.

Falling Water18:52:59 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Dig into logs and get back

Falling Water18:54:25 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You were the only admin around at the time, so you're my main suspect

Falling Water18:54:27 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Lol

大大

大大18:55:01 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

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Sandwich18:55:01 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Eh, lots of silent admins,

hadrian18:55:30 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Falling Water

Dig into logs and get back

The telegram interface, as an admin, is awful. It's pretty hard to stay on top of stuff in a reliable manner. There's loads of functions which would be really useful which simply don't exist. It's pretty haphazard to be honest...

Jacko18:55:49 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

So please stop spreading lies and misinformation, I've done quite a bit for this community over the last year and a half.

I would agree

Sandwich18:56:30 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

The majority of people I've banned, are temporary bans, a few days, sometimes a month. All the other bans are spam.

Sandwich18:57:54 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hadrianBTS

Try bettergram.

Hatworthy18:58:17 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Any EOS-related discussion today or should I check back tomorrow?

hadrian18:58:27 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Try bettergram.

Is that available on phones? I do it all on my phone😭

Sandwich18:58:34 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hadrianBTS

Is that available on phones? I do it all on my phone😭

oh man, that's rough.

Sandwich18:58:49 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Hatworthy

Any EOS-related discussion today or should I check back tomorrow?

If you like drama, scroll up.

Sandwich18:59:06 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

From about 7 hours ago until about an hour ago.

Hatworthy18:59:37 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I know, nothing but drama every time I open it.

PaulyC18:59:56 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

its a bull market for drama rn

hadrian18:59:58 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Falling Water

You were the only admin around at the time, so you're my main suspect

Yeah, I don't think it will have been sandwich if he's saying not. There are, as he says, many admins who you won't see in the chat.

Hatworthy19:00:14 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Hey will there be an official response to that Consensys hack-job?

Hatworthy19:00:30 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I'd like to see it dissected.

Falling Water19:00:33 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Right, sorry for the accusation, maybe the earlier soultion would be a good idea to make note in the room who banned who and why, would be nice to face my accuser, instead of pointing fingers, but hey that's old news

hadrian19:00:40 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Hatworthy

Hey will there be an official response to that Consensys hack-job?

Did you see https://medium.com/@thomas.cox_39839/db889ba5bcc8

Hatworthy19:01:22 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hadrianBTS

Did you see https://medium.com/@thomas.cox_39839/db889ba5bcc8

He's taken down the draft, but thanks.

Hatworthy19:01:32 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Will wait and see the final version.

hadrian19:01:50 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Hatworthy

He's taken down the draft, but thanks.

Oh 😱

Hatworthy19:02:20 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Good to know there's something in he pipeline at least

John McCoffee | Aloha EOS19:05:01 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

https://medium.com/@thomas.cox_39839/yes-eos-is-a-blockchain-a5921e5497d5?_referrer=twitter

John McCoffee | Aloha EOS19:05:31 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

https://medium.com/@thomas.cox_39839/yes-eos-is-a-blockchain-a5921e5497d5

hadrian19:07:07 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

HoneyBooBoosMom

https://medium.com/@thomas.cox_39839/yes-eos-is-a-blockchain-a5921e5497d5

OH!

hadrian19:07:22 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Hatworthy

He's taken down the draft, but thanks.

👆

hadrian19:08:40 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

@HoneyBooBoosMom thanks

John McCoffee | Aloha EOS19:09:25 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

👌

hadrian19:09:29 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Falling Water

If anyone earnned it, it's you

@sandw1ch is more deserving though

Marc Ortaliz19:10:14 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

HoneyBooBoosMom

https://medium.com/@thomas.cox_39839/yes-eos-is-a-blockchain-a5921e5497d5

https://medium.com/whiteblock/eos-follow-up-analysis-pt-1-895410e4cb4a

hadrian19:10:23 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I'm out for a bit. It's got to the point where I'm not trading stuff properly...

Marc Ortaliz19:10:47 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

THIS

Sandwich19:10:55 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Falling Water

I'll see if it's in the logs. People have been accidentally banned on several occassions, for example, spam attacks (mistakingly being lumped in with spam). The best course of action is to DM admins.

Hatworthy19:12:56 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hadrianBTS

👆

Thanks. I'm kind of unsatisfied, though. He makes good points, but in a broad way. I'd like to see a more technical takedown.

hadrian19:15:09 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Hatworthy

Thanks. I'm kind of unsatisfied, though. He makes good points, but in a broad way. I'd like to see a more technical takedown.

Understood. I still haven't read what I linked to.

hadrian19:16:07 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

I'll see if it's in the logs. People have been accidentally banned on several occassions, for example, spam attacks (mistakingly being lumped in with spam). The best course of action is to DM admins.

Let me know of it was me (I don't think it was).

AK2619:16:17 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

wiseowl01

Seems at this moment BlockOne create EOS.io software just for scam Dapps. Scams and gambling project that Rekt you like pixelmaster. I feel deeply disappointed. 😔

EOS Knights is a role play game and many players seem to make good ROI

Sandwich19:18:10 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

wiseowl01

Seems at this moment BlockOne create EOS.io software just for scam Dapps. Scams and gambling project that Rekt you like pixelmaster. I feel deeply disappointed. 😔

Gambling apps are always the first to appear on any smart contract network. They are a proven cryptoeconomic system. Easy to implement, have low requirements for GUIs and test engagement. They are an ideal "sandbox." This is not unique to EOS, what is unique to EOS, is the user retention and speed of these dapps..

hadrian19:23:10 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

THIS ☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️

I don't understand this. What does it mean by "control the entirety of the network"? It doesn't make sense to me.

Marc Ortaliz19:24:25 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hadrianBTS

I don't understand this. What does it mean by "control the entirety of the network"? It doesn't make sense to me.

it means for a consensus NOT getting a quorum you only need 6 to disagree

Enrique | EOS DAPP STARS19:24:41 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

R.i.p. to the competition... no debate needed https://youtu.be/--YbDMwyNOM

hadrian19:26:36 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

it means for a consensus NOT getting a quorum you only need 6 to disagree

OK. That was the only explanation I could think of, but I don't equate this to 'controlling the entirety of the network'.

hadrian19:30:40 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

it means for a consensus NOT getting a quorum you only need 6 to disagree

It would be hard for bad actors to achieve this, probably very costly for them, and not difficult to fix.

Marc Ortaliz19:31:28 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

FYI i am neither for or against ETH or EOS...i just like a healthy discourse about blockchain

Marc Ortaliz19:32:27 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

does this mean bitfinex / huobi have essential control of the network?

Marc Ortaliz19:34:17 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

how so because bitfinex/huobi have a disproportionate majority of voting power to elect BPs...most likely they will vote for their allies most of the time

okayplanet | Patreos19:34:21 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

does this mean bitfinex / huobi have essential control of the network?

It means for every 21 blocks, they each make 1. It's still up to the 2/3 of BP to sign off on those blocks.

okayplanet | Patreos19:34:57 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I wouldn't call that control by any stretch. At most it is influence.

shayeos19:37:00 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hadrianBTS

Hadrian you are a fucking Legend, always have been a super star admin and @sandw1ch too

okayplanet | Patreos19:37:05 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Despite them having a ranking of 1 or 2, their power as a BP is identical to a BP ranked 21.

Sandwich19:37:44 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Understanding the source of information is important. This data is interesting: https://www.etherchain.org/charts/topMiners https://www.etherchain.org/charts/distinctMiners

Marc Ortaliz19:41:38 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

okayplanet

Despite them having a ranking of 1 or 2, their power as a BP is identical to a BP ranked 21.

yes and in any political party system, its all about favors...these are just people

🦉

🦉19:42:53 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Gambling apps are always the first to appear on any smart contract network. They are a proven cryptoeconomic system. Easy to implement, have low requirements for GUIs and test engagement. They are an ideal "sandbox." This is not unique to EOSIO, what is unique to EOSIO, is the user retention and speed of these dapps..

Thanks for your answer.

Matt Kaye [Blockhead Capital | EOSVIBES]19:45:36 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

We’re eager for comment and input by the community in large and feel that this proposal can work in addition to EOS NY user agreement. Please participate and comment if you’re interested. https://medium.com/@jyashouafar/blockhead-capital-proposed-eos-constitution-30dd20866591

okayplanet | Patreos19:46:14 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

yes and in any political party system, its all about favors...these are just people, i scratch your back, you scratch mine etc

What you are talking about now is seperate from your question about the graph. Sounds like you have your mind already made.

Marc Ortaliz19:47:13 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

okayplanet

What you are talking about now is seperate from your question about the graph. Sounds like you have your mind already made.

not really, im here for open discussion

Marc Ortaliz19:47:56 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

would you rather discuss about mooning and when lambo?

Matt Kaye [Blockhead Capital | EOSVIBES]19:49:54 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Speaking of substantial discussion, we just released a new proposal for an updated constitution. We feel that it works in addition to the EOS NY user agreement.

okayplanet | Patreos19:49:54 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

would you rather discuss about mooning and when lambo?

Even moon and lambo convos can be constructive if the discussion poses questions looking for valid answers to those questions.

Matt Kaye [Blockhead Capital | EOSVIBES]19:51:06 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Would actually love input by the community at large (or at least those interested in the constitution): https://medium.com/@jyashouafar/blockhead-capital-proposed-eos-constitution-30dd20866591

Jason | bigdatablock.com19:51:13 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Don’t the exchanges also get to vote for BP’s and with all the EOS in everyone’s accounts on those exchanges since technically they hold those coins?

Marc Ortaliz19:51:51 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

cohens714

Don’t the exchanges also get to vote for BP’s and with all the EOS in everyone’s accounts on those exchanges since technically they hold those coins?

this is why i think exchanges should be forbidden to vote as a block or a maximal asymptote

Marc Ortaliz19:52:42 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

it disproportionately gives them undue influence

Jason | bigdatablock.com19:52:44 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

this is why i think exchanges should be forbidden to vote as a block or a maximal asymptote

I completely agree. This gives them a huge advantage and means they have a lot of power over voting. Allowing any exchanges to play a role in governance is a giant mistake.

okayplanet | Patreos19:52:52 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I have doubts about human behavior and incentive structures too. But even then, control wouldn't be deduced from the graph you shared.

Jason | bigdatablock.com19:53:02 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

How’s that different then a bank at that point?

okayplanet | Patreos19:53:41 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

it disproportionately gives them undue influence

I think there were some wanting to raise this as a referendum issue

Marc Ortaliz19:53:57 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

it renders EOS centralized

okayplanet | Patreos19:54:28 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I actually don't mind an exchange being a BP. I do mind how little a role some play in the community and governance dialog.

okayplanet | Patreos19:54:37 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

it renders EOS centralized

How so?

okayplanet | Patreos19:54:47 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

More* centralized maybe

Marc Ortaliz19:55:14 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

subjectively

Jason | bigdatablock.com19:55:19 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

They definitely shouldn’t be allowed to vote with the EOS that are actuality owned by their customers.

okayplanet | Patreos19:55:27 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

But EOS is still far more decentalized than the very platform you are using right now to have this chat

okayplanet | Patreos19:55:34 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Yet here you are

Kaung Htet19:55:49 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

biteos

eosleo. it's a copy of eosbet and allegedly will take all your eos if you connect scatter to it and try to make a bet

http://tokensale.aerum.com/login?code=MlW4vRQ

Jason | bigdatablock.com19:56:30 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

okayplanet

But EOS is still far more decentalized than the very platform you are using right now to have this chat

Who cares about telegram? This isn’t a transaction platform. Having a centralized messaging platform isn’t at issue here.

Marc Ortaliz19:56:53 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Example bitfinex will be hosting eosfinex ....who knows what they would do

oscar moscar19:57:29 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

is eos admin legit?

Marc Ortaliz19:57:45 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

They have already deomonstrated their act with tether

Jason | bigdatablock.com19:57:58 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

okayplanet

I actually don't mind an exchange being a BP. I do mind how little a role some play in the community and governance dialog.

If the exchanges control a large amount of EOS and can vote with customers holdings that means they have a large amount of control of all the BP’s. This gives them significant control over the network. This is centralization.

oscar moscar19:58:23 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

true

okayplanet | Patreos19:58:49 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

The notion of something being decentralized or no decentralized is outdated--especially when considering sovereign-grade vs platform-grade categorization.

Marc Ortaliz19:59:13 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

This is what whiteblock is asserting...EOS voting mechanism isn't BFT Byzantine fault tolerant

Madara19:59:25 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

What is soverign vs platform categorization?

Marc Ortaliz20:00:01 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

In fact it gives undue control to a smaller majority

Marc Ortaliz20:00:09 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

6/21

Marc Ortaliz20:00:14 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Vs 10/21

okayplanet | Patreos20:00:21 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

This is what whiteblock is asserting...EOS voting mechanism isn't BFT Byzantine fault tolerant

This is identically the concern with PoW

Jason | bigdatablock.com20:00:28 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

okayplanet

The notion of something being decentralized or not decentralized is outdated--especially when considering sovereign-grade vs platform-grade categorization.

Unless the people that created it tell a story of decentralization which is what they did and are doing. If they want to just say we don’t believe decentralization is good for us and so we are centralized then that’s fine.

okayplanet | Patreos20:00:43 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

It is a concern all crypto has to be mindful of

Marc Ortaliz20:00:49 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

okayplanet

This is identically the concern with PoW

It's worse than POW 51% attack

Marc Ortaliz20:01:08 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Because now a cliq only needs 6/21

okayplanet | Patreos20:01:31 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Explain that a bit more

okayplanet | Patreos20:01:34 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I'm not following

okayplanet | Patreos20:01:47 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

How is it wrose? And why only 6/21?

okayplanet | Patreos20:01:56 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

worse

Marc Ortaliz20:02:15 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

it means for a consensus NOT getting a quorum you only need 6/21 to disagree

Jason | bigdatablock.com20:02:22 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

The issue comes down to being honest with your community. Stop pretending you are a decentralized for the people platform. You are an enterprise centralized platform.

okayplanet | Patreos20:02:32 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

it means for a consensus NOT getting a quorum you only need 6/21 to disagree

Ah, I see

Marc Ortaliz20:03:03 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

in other words EOS can stay they same forever if the 6/21 chooses to

okayplanet | Patreos20:03:11 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Let's assume we have 6/21 being lame and causing trouble

okayplanet | Patreos20:03:19 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

What do you think would happen to them on this network?

okayplanet | Patreos20:03:31 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

We have a course of action you know.

Marc Ortaliz20:03:45 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

okayplanet

What do you think would happen to them on this network?

They have the votes....that's in the constitution

okayplanet | Patreos20:04:57 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Absolute worst case: we fork and blacklist those account and coins

okayplanet | Patreos20:05:11 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Then go back to our dapps and ecosystem

Jason | bigdatablock.com20:05:12 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I sold my EOS a couple of weeks ago because of all these issues. The story that was sold before mainnet launch has not been the reality. It could change over time but there are lots of good options out there for investment. Good luck all.

Marc Ortaliz20:05:25 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

blacklisting is censorship

okayplanet | Patreos20:06:01 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

blacklisting is censorship

They can make new accounts, they just won't have the funds

okayplanet | Patreos20:06:05 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

that isn't censorship

Madara20:06:27 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

It's literally censorship to take away people's money

okayplanet | Patreos20:06:27 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

that's seizing power

Marc Ortaliz20:06:40 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

anyway that's all for me...just like to ponder game theory

okayplanet | Patreos20:06:42 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

It's literally censorship to take away people's money

On our own chain, it isn't taking away money

okayplanet | Patreos20:06:58 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

It's choosing not to issue it in the first place

hadrian20:07:20 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

They have the votes....that's in the constitution

Fork and cut them out. Simple. Plus it would be very difficult and expensive to gain this level of control. Plus if they don't produce blocks correctly it will be seen. Plus they will have a lot at stake, costing them even more when they lose it - they end up with nothing.

Madara20:07:24 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Yeah I mean I guess if you start a chain where you can fork out people's money and everyone agrees that's a good idea and somehow people follow that

hadrian20:07:32 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

okayplanet

Absolute worst case: we fork and blacklist those account and coins

Oh, you said it

Madara20:07:48 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Then yes it's not censorship but why would anyone follow that chain

Madara20:08:11 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

At any point they could become part of the "undesirable" group and get their money forked away

okayplanet | Patreos20:08:14 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hadrianBTS

Oh, you said it

said what?

Marc Ortaliz20:08:18 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hadrianBTS

What's at stake isn't their money

Marc Ortaliz20:08:30 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

It's their account traders money

Ricardo Marliere20:08:36 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

cohens714

How’s that different then a bank if they have so much control over the network?

they dont get to change inflation rate without a non-violent fork ;)

Madara20:08:45 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Also any type of transaction privacy destroys this entire concept

hadrian20:08:54 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

cohens714

What story? I think you're misinformed. I don't know what you were expecting, and I think you're misunderstanding the current landscape.

okayplanet | Patreos20:09:22 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

Then yes it's not censorship but why would anyone follow that chain

I would follow the chain that penalized those that break constitution rules.

hadrian20:09:26 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

okayplanet

said what?

I kind of re-stated what you'd already said, without realising.

okayplanet | Patreos20:09:38 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hadrianBTS

I kind of re-stated what you'd already said, without realising.

Telegram is awesome

Madara20:09:44 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Sounds simple until you get into the details

Madara20:10:08 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Who interprets the rules? Who decides if a rule was broken? What are their interests and motivations?

Marc Ortaliz20:10:38 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

not asserting about morality and good or evil.here

okayplanet | Patreos20:10:49 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

Who interprets the rules? Who decides if a rule was broken? What are their interests and motivations?

You ask these questions as if communities have never existed before. And you ask them as if everyone other crypto project doesn't face these same challenges

hadrian20:10:57 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

It's their account traders money

That's not right

Marc Ortaliz20:11:01 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Only defining EOS as a decentralized blockchain

Marc Ortaliz20:11:04 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Or not

Madara20:11:15 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

They don't because their money is anonymous, their identities are anonymous, and hashing power is anonymous proof of work

J🇩

Jesper 🇩🇰🇺🇸20:11:21 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Just stop with all your shitty “moon” talk. Every day, week and month, it is just about to moon. It isn’t and know one have information otherwise. Crypto will start moving up, when there is less misinformation and FUD, but no one knows when that is. So if you need to tell yourself that you are about to get rich and that you have bought at the bottom, good for you. Wish you luck. But this could just as easily just be the top of the bottom that is to come.

Madara20:11:28 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You don't have to deal with any of those issues because it's just money

hadrian20:11:29 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

Only defining EOS as a decentralized blockchain

There exists no full decentralisation.

Madara20:11:33 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

EOS is more than just money

okayplanet | Patreos20:11:35 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

Or not

It isn't binary. Again.

Marc Ortaliz20:11:51 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

yes it is when it comes to consensus

hadrian20:11:58 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

cohens714

The issue comes down to being honest with your community. Stop pretending you are a decentralized for the people platform. You are an enterprise centralized platform.

You should read the whitepaper

hadrian20:12:14 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Read and understand it I mean

okayplanet | Patreos20:12:28 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

yes it is when it comes to consensus

That notioned died in the ETH fork.

Marc Ortaliz20:12:48 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

It's a subjectively issue

okayplanet | Patreos20:12:55 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

It's a subjective issue

Life is

Madara20:12:56 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

What died?

okayplanet | Patreos20:12:58 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Welcome to today

okayplanet | Patreos20:13:09 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

What died?

The idea that concensus is binary

Madara20:13:16 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

What does that even mean

Marc Ortaliz20:13:19 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

So those who agree continue to hodl..those who don't sell

okayplanet | Patreos20:13:23 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Consensus

Madara20:13:48 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Consensus is another word for decision making

Marc Ortaliz20:13:57 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I simply want to explore what a BFT blockchain is

okayplanet | Patreos20:14:01 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

So those who agree continue to hodl..those who don't sell

Doesn't describe my behavior.

sc20:14:02 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

samasak9

Maxine waters in USA set to become head of financial services committee if elections go as expected. She is anti- bitcoin . Is this good or bad for eos ?

Doesn’t matter. Wall Street lobbyists get what they want. Congressman are pawns in the game. Financial institutions are investing too much capital into building out the infrastructure for crypto. They want to make money off the trading fees. They witness Binance a fledgling startup make more capital than Deutsche Bank which has been around for 148 yrs. They want to get the family offices, pensions, 401k, all into crypto. Millennials don’t buy stocks anymore they buy crypto. Financial institutions have changed their tune. Either evolve or become obsolete. This includes the politicians too. Lobbyist money controls is what influences Congress not constituents.

Jason | bigdatablock.com20:14:06 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hadrianBTS

Read and understand it I mean

I fully understand the platform. It’s not what I was expecting and I am not the only one that feels like this way. I have been around EOS for well over a year now. It’s fine. I sold and moved on.

hadrian20:14:22 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

blacklisting is censorship

So was rolling back the bitcoin blockchain to undo damage done when a vulnerability was leveraged, but it's what people wanted.

okayplanet | Patreos20:14:35 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

I simply want to explore what a BFT blockchain is

BFT isn't simple. Fault tolerance is a threshold for one--note the word TOLERANCE

Marc Ortaliz20:15:02 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

It's a blockchains security robustness

okayplanet | Patreos20:15:21 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You are entering questions of dependability. That is subjective

Madara20:15:42 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

It's subjective depending on the outcome you want

Marc Ortaliz20:15:44 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I want to be in a blockchain that will be reliable 10 years from now

hadrian20:15:59 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

Yeah I mean I guess if you start a chain where you can fork out people's money and everyone agrees that's a good idea and somehow people follow that

It happened with bitcoin and with ethereum

okayplanet | Patreos20:16:06 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

I want to be in a blockchain that will be reliable 10 years from now

Then wait 10 years for it

Marc Ortaliz20:16:07 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

predictable in terms of governance

Marc Ortaliz20:16:14 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

And that's Bitcoin

sc20:16:18 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

cohens714

I fully understand the platform. It’s not what I was expecting and I am not the only one that feels like this way. I have been around EOS for well over a year now. It’s fine. I sold and moved on.

What bothers me the most are people who are unsatisfied but continue to try to convince others. EOS is not the only blockchain, there are many. How hard is it to delete the channel and move on to what suits your needs.

hadrian20:16:21 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

Then yes it's not censorship but why would anyone follow that chain

And people still follow bitcoin and ethereum

okayplanet | Patreos20:16:34 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

And that's Bitcoin

WOW. You must have woke up and learning about crypto today from wikipedia

okayplanet | Patreos20:16:54 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

There is no way you have been around the Bitcoin community the last 5 years

Madara20:16:57 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Yeah, ETH classic is a clear example of that

Marc Ortaliz20:17:05 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

okayplanet

WOW. You must have woke up and learned about crypto today from wikipedia

Yes.i did

Madara20:17:05 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

The attacker still has their ETH right?

Marc Ortaliz20:17:16 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I just read about Bitcoin yesterday

Madara20:17:46 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Bitcoin is a great store of value

Madara20:17:58 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

As a simple and useful tool it's effective

Madara20:18:01 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Like gold over ethernet

okayplanet | Patreos20:18:09 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Ask Jeff Garzik about bitcoin's goverance stability. Or Mike Hearn. Or any of my Bitcoin heros back in the day.

Madara20:18:40 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Why does it matter?

Marc Ortaliz20:18:51 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Congratulations

hadrian20:18:56 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

And that's Bitcoin

Bitcoin governance is ludicrously unpredictable compared with eos

Madara20:18:57 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

As long as miners exist and are decentralized the system works

okayplanet | Patreos20:19:21 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

Why does it matter?

Why does people's perception of whether governance is successful or not matter?

Madara20:19:32 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

No one governs gold

Madara20:19:33 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

It just is

Madara20:19:35 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

And it works.

Marc Ortaliz20:19:35 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hadrianBTS

Bitcoin governance is ludicrously unpredictable compared with eos

That's correct ...the unpredictability is known

Madara20:19:37 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

That's bitcoin.

Madara20:19:47 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

EOS is more than bitcoin, it's more complex, it needs more features

hadrian20:19:50 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

As long as miners exist and are decentralized the system works

Bitcoin and ethereum miners are less decentralised than eos voters and block producers

Madara20:20:01 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

That is true

Madara20:20:33 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

But decentralization is only one part of the equation

okayplanet | Patreos20:20:53 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

It just is

Gold's molecular chemistry and governing rules are hardcoded by the universe. That is not have Bitcoin "is"

Marc Ortaliz20:21:05 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Robustness of governance is what we seek in a blockchain

hadrian20:21:10 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

That's correct ...the unpredictability is known

Huh? Marc Ortaliz: I want to be in a blockchain that will be reliable 10 years from now Marc Ortaliz: predictable in terms of governance Marc Ortaliz: And that's Bitcoin

Madara20:21:28 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I'd argue that we don't want governance in gold/bitcoin

Madara20:21:33 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

We want it to just stay the same and always work

Madara20:21:36 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Without risk of changing

Madara20:21:42 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

From my perspective bitcoin has achieved that

Marc Ortaliz20:21:46 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

the known unknowns

okayplanet | Patreos20:22:16 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

Without risk of changing

You should spend more time here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commits/master

hadrian20:22:21 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

I'd argue that we don't want governance in gold/bitcoin

That's fair. But that's not how is turned out with bitcoin.

hadrian20:22:41 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

okayplanet

You should spend more time here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commits/master

This

Marc Ortaliz20:22:42 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Nice talking to you fellas

sc20:22:48 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Free market will decide which blockchains thrive or die. Not about who is the most decentralized, it’s about providing a degree of decentralization while being efficient. Decentralization is needed to the extent that incentives are aligned and balanced. No enterprise or company will adopt a decentralized blockchain which is inefficient. Companies are what drive adoption, not individuals with no incentive to use.

Madara20:24:08 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

okayplanet

You should spend more time here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commits/master

I've spent a lot of time there

okayplanet | Patreos20:24:12 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

Nice talking to you fellas

Thanks for dropping in all innocent like... just asking questions, yet I honestly don't think you asked a single question that you didn't already know your answer to.

altShiftDev20:24:15 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Aurora_Brian

Yeah I'm angry too. Here's the reddit post by him if you want to chime in: Ledger Blocking Release of Second EOS App – altShiftDev https://www.reddit.com/r/eos/comments/9uoier/ledger_blocking_release_of_second_eos_app/

Thanks for the support guys.

Madara20:24:20 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Bitcoin is still a sha256 coin with the same properties it's always had

Madara20:24:24 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

What's changed, exactly?

sc20:24:37 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Evolution of tech is not clean, it gets messy. Some ideas work, some don’t. .

okayplanet | Patreos20:24:51 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Next time, just say it. Say, "Hey. I don't like some things and I want to know why you accept X, Y, and Z"

sc20:25:15 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

okayplanet

Next time, just say it. Say, "Hey. I don't like some things and I want to know why you accept X, Y, and Z"

altShiftDev20:25:41 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/960/1*U9AZ_Z6etINLVje9eIRW-w.png It’s a shame that we can’t have dApp support yet, hard to wrap my head around actually.

Marc Ortaliz20:25:48 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

okayplanet

Next time, just say it. Say, "Hey. I don't like some things and I want to know why you accept X, Y, and Z"

I'll.keep that in mind next

okayplanet | Patreos20:25:49 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

What's changed, exactly?

sha256 is one of server properties. Also LukeJr has recently gathered a following in favor of chaning the algo to prevent Bitcore from having their mining advantage"

hadrian20:26:00 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

Bitcoin is still a sha256 coin with the same properties it's always had

That's wildly inaccurate

Madara20:26:36 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

What has changed?

Madara20:27:03 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Other than a ton of improvements to the API, wallet interface, and database read/write speed

Madara20:27:21 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Block size is the same. All the same consensus rules exist

hadrian20:27:33 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

altShiftDev

Thanks for the support guys.

💯 Would you mind popping in with updates of anything changes? Many people, myself included, were looking forward to the deployment of your work.

okayplanet | Patreos20:28:12 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Here. A reference tweet around the time we were talking about changing the mining algo: https://twitter.com/okayplanet/status/967775509890318336

Madara20:28:37 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

But it didn't change

altShiftDev20:28:48 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hadrianBTS

💯 Would you mind popping in with updates of anything changes? Many people, myself included, were looking forward to the deployment of your work.

Of course, I’ve been making a habit of putting major announcements on the front-page of altshiftdev.com and reddit.

okayplanet | Patreos20:28:49 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

At any point in time, your lovely Bitcoin can change. As someone who has authored a few lines of code in the software, and has been around a while, I promise you are always at risk

Madara20:29:04 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Yeah and if everyone agrees with it then they go with it

okayplanet | Patreos20:29:05 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

But it didn't change

Not that time. But it is a risk you will always live with.

Madara20:29:07 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

That's what happened when BCH forked

Madara20:29:14 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Sure

Madara20:29:25 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

100% of people holding bitcoin want a proof of work coin that just works

okayplanet | Patreos20:29:27 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

Yeah and if everyone agrees with it then they go with it

Wrong. We only need majority of miners.

Madara20:29:30 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

That's what it will always be

Madara20:29:38 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Miners mean nothing

Madara20:29:40 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Users are everything

okayplanet | Patreos20:29:47 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Bitcoin has never cared about everyone. We use miner's block signal to enable software updates

okayplanet | Patreos20:30:10 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

Miners mean nothing

That is literally how we code updates. Based on miner signals in blocks

hadrian20:30:19 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

Miners mean nothing

Miners have a lot of power and incentives are not aligned with users.

Rektoshi20:31:04 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Wake me up when this debate is over

Madara20:31:14 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Miners have no power over users

Madara20:31:22 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Users decide which exchange to buy bitcoin on

Madara20:31:32 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Miners cannot sell to users who do not want to buy their coins

okayplanet | Patreos20:31:32 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Rektoshi

Wake me up when this debate is over

I haven't been able to sleep since 2013.... I will never get my peace back

okayplanet | Patreos20:31:47 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

Miners cannot sell to users who do not want to buy their coins

You keep shift goal posts.

Madara20:31:50 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Users ultimately decide everything

Madara20:31:54 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

It's not shifting, it's the reality

Madara20:32:01 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Miners cannot sell coins to people who do not want to buy them

Madara20:32:10 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

All the miners could decide to fork bitcoin and create 1000 BTC per block

okayplanet | Patreos20:32:13 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Miners don't matter. Oh, okay... Maybe they matter there.. But they can't do this

Alexspi20:32:43 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I like what GOOGLE did on the home pate...GO VOTE 👍👍 We need something like that for the BP's

okayplanet | Patreos20:32:48 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I'm not going to chase you. My point is that a group of core developers determine the fate of bitcoin. And you will always be at the mercy of their governance

okayplanet | Patreos20:33:05 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Except you will not have transparency

hadrian20:34:14 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

Miners have no power over users

They have power within the bitcoin ecosystem as a whole.

okayplanet | Patreos20:34:34 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You will never truly know why decisions like replace-by-fee RBF passed.

hadrian20:34:34 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

With not enough accountability

Madara20:34:38 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

okayplanet

Miners don't matter. Oh, okay... Maybe they matter there.. But they can't do this

When did I say miners matter?

Alexspi20:34:42 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

bitcoin is going to be there as a collectible chain

okayplanet | Patreos20:34:45 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Other than that enough miners signaled for it

Madara20:35:07 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Miners are forced to make a decision

Madara20:35:10 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

That does'nt give them power

Madara20:35:13 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

just like voting does not give us power

hadrian20:35:24 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

By the way, I'm not anti-bitcoin, I just think there's a lot of misunderstanding.

Madara20:35:27 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Sure, we have the "power" to choose between the lesser of two evils

Madara20:35:29 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Great!

Alexspi20:35:42 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

bitcoin will be a colletible blockchain and a relic of value 😁👍

Madara20:35:43 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Being forced to make a decision does not give you power

Madara20:35:50 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

The devs and the users could change that decision-making method easily

Madara20:35:56 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Miners have to run the code that users run in their wallets

Madara20:36:00 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Otherwise they can't sell their bitcoins

Madara20:36:03 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

It's really that simple

Madara20:36:06 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Miners have exactly 0 power

Madara20:36:12 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

They're contractors that work for the system

okayplanet | Patreos20:36:16 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

Miners are forced to make a decision

I don't follow

Madara20:36:23 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Signal or not signal

okayplanet | Patreos20:36:31 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

Miners have exactly 0 power

I have no idea how you can make this conclusion

Madara20:36:36 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

What power do they have?

Madara20:36:57 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Miners signal for updates to make sure the network runs smoothly, not because the devs and users want to measure their support

Madara20:37:00 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

No one cares what they think

Madara20:37:33 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You're making a claim that miners have power. I'm making a claim that users and devs have power because they run the wallets and buy the bitcoins

Madara20:37:41 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Miners have power because _____ ?

okayplanet | Patreos20:38:21 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

No one cares what they think

I now know that you are not current on your bitcoin knowledge. One of the largest outcries back in the day was that dev teams place too much control in the hard of miners when it comes to system updates

Madara20:38:42 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

That's a strawman

Madara20:38:50 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Misunderstanding of reality

okayplanet | Patreos20:38:51 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

This was a community rift for so long because we got distracted by block sizes

Madara20:38:52 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Miners have no power

Madara20:39:01 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Just becuase its' controversial does not mean it matters or is based in reality

Ricardo Marliere20:39:06 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

Miners signal for updates to make sure the network runs smoothly, not because the devs and users want to measure their support

they oppose innovation though

Alexspi20:39:06 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

mainly holders of bitcoin will keep it for the name as it was the first blockchain out there even if it doesn't scale

Ricardo Marliere20:39:12 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

Miners have no power

lol

Madara20:39:15 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Angelina's divorce was controversial

Madara20:39:20 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara I don't think we can go forwards here.

Madara20:39:21 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

That doesn't mean it's significant or relevant

Chris20:39:25 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

iPSCRISPR

I believe eosauthority.com has a solution for you. Scroll down and try the fallback method

Trank you! 👍🏼

Madara20:39:28 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Sure, explain why miners have power

Madara20:39:31 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Then we can move forward

Ricardo Marliere20:39:31 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Alexspi

mainly holders of bitcoin will keep it for the name as it was the first blockchain out there even if it doesn't scale

do you use yahoo or google?

Ricardo Marliere20:39:53 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

Sure, explain why miners have power

what version of the code are they running, and why

Ricardo Marliere20:39:56 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and who wrote it?

Ricardo Marliere20:40:02 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

who is maintaining it?

Madara20:40:05 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

They run whatever version of the code makes them the most money

okayplanet | Patreos20:40:07 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

If you think an account of bitcoin history that divided the community is a strawman, then we can't have a discussion

okayplanet | Patreos20:40:12 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You are running away from facts

Ricardo Marliere20:40:18 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

there is no governance in bitcoin protocol, true. but there still are communities.

Madara20:40:19 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You have not presented facts

Madara20:40:23 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You have presented drama

Madara20:40:29 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I don't care about drama, I care about facts

okayplanet | Patreos20:40:39 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

You have presented drama

Drama is the history of Bitcoin!

okayplanet | Patreos20:40:41 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Wake up

Ricardo Marliere20:40:46 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

fact is: EOSIO works.

Madara20:40:47 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I don't care if there's an argument about who should be the next american idol

Madara20:40:59 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

It is not significant no matter how much buzz there is around it

Madara20:41:04 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

The miner controversy is the same

Madara20:41:09 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

The reality of the situation is they have no power

Rektoshi20:41:09 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Without blessing of big mining pools bitcoin cant update. Seems like power to me. Yes users can point their miners to another pool but that didnt happen last time. Bitcoin cash happened.

Madara20:41:19 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

If they had power you'd be able to explain why

Madara20:41:31 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I can't think of any way they have any power

okayplanet | Patreos20:41:39 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

The reality of the situation is they have no power

That is an odd opinion that few in the bitcoin community hold

okayplanet | Patreos20:41:53 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I promise that you are fringe with that belief.

Madara20:42:05 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Okay, what's the mainstream belief?

Madara20:42:10 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Why does everyone but me think miners have power?

Dave Watson @watsondave20:42:10 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

scvfx

The gaming dApps and their players prove that the scalability is there. So one key premise of the report is simply wrong. You can check the user counts and transaction volumes to verify.

okayplanet | Patreos20:42:17 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Again, my tweet with LukeJr is enough to dismiss your thesis

Alexspi20:42:18 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

if a block producer goes offline, how fast can that block producer be replaced?

altShiftDev20:42:19 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hadrianBTS

💯 Would you mind popping in with updates of anything changes? Many people, myself included, were looking forward to the deployment of your work.

Of course, I’ve been making a habit of putting major announcements on the front-page of altshiftdev.com and on reddit.

Ricardo Marliere20:43:17 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

If they had power you'd be able to explain why

First, then, we would need to define "power". For me, the trust that peers deposit into validating peers equals to power. They can choose to fork rendering the rogue coins useless, which also can be very powerful by itself.

Alexspi20:43:22 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

with a snap of a finger?

okayplanet | Patreos20:43:22 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

Why does everyone but me think miners have power?

That is a really good question. Doesn't it feel better to ask that?

Madara20:43:41 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

It was sarcastic. There are plenty that hold this opinion.

Madara20:43:47 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

They are mostly bitcoin core devs

okayplanet | Patreos20:43:55 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

It was sarcastic. There are plenty that hold this opinion.

Name 5 devs

Rektoshi20:44:04 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Rektoshi

Without blessing of big mining pools bitcoin cant update. Seems like power to me. Yes users can point their miners to another pool but that didnt happen last time. Bitcoin cash happened.

Basically bitcoin miners paid themselces to update. Free bitcoin cash money

okayplanet | Patreos20:44:16 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I know them all, or have wasted countless hours in IRC with them

okayplanet | Patreos20:44:19 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

name 5

Ricardo Marliere20:44:45 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

in the end, peers are funding security through predictable inflation... that is all

mini - EOS Argentina20:44:48 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

joya

Rektoshi20:44:58 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Quick google seach

Ricardo Marliere20:45:05 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

okayplanet

I know them all, or have wasted countless hours in IRC with them

lol

Madara20:45:53 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I really don't have time to play the "who has more figureheads on my side" game. I could look for irc logs or twitter threads, but it's meaningless

hadrian20:46:11 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

okayplanet

name 5

Current or any time?

okayplanet | Patreos20:46:29 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hadrianBTS

Current or any time?

lol... not just any 5. But 5 who have views that miners don't have power

Madara20:46:33 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Luke's tweet actually proves my point, doesn't it? Changing the consensus algorithm completely destroys the miners' power

Madara20:46:44 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Look at sia's recent fork

Madara20:46:49 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

They bricked all of bitmain's devices

hadrian20:46:53 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

okayplanet

lol... not just any 5. But 5 who have views that miners don't have power

Oh, right. Missed that.

Madara20:46:58 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Because the community said "no thanks" to bitmain

okayplanet | Patreos20:47:07 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

Luke's tweet actually proves my point, doesn't it? Changing the consensus algorithm completely destroys the miners' power

Omg.... it proves exactly the opposite

Alexspi20:47:13 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

most like there will be a split of bitcoin cash, now Craig Wright is on the side of not changing the core code while Roger Ver wants more scalability

okayplanet | Patreos20:47:16 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

It means the currently have too much power

Madara20:47:18 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Okay. You're saying bitmain has power over sia?

Madara20:47:23 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

After the devs bricked all their devices?

Madara20:47:31 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

How does bitmain have any power over sia?

hadrian20:47:35 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

Luke's tweet actually proves my point, doesn't it? Changing the consensus algorithm completely destroys the miners' power

How does it destroy their power if they have no power?

Madara20:47:43 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

...

Madara20:47:45 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

That's what I mean

hadrian20:47:55 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

Because the community said "no thanks" to bitmain

Because they had to much power

Madara20:48:01 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

If they have any control over the network it can be taken away at any minute

Madara20:48:12 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

How can you take the users power away?

hadrian20:48:15 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

Okay. You're saying bitmain has power over sia?

Had

altShiftDev20:48:16 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

@finchify @syed_jafri classy behavior from some EOS community leader. If you’re wondering why we don’t have good ledger support, look no further Rob! You took care of that when you told Ledger to pick cryptofairy in a private call. https://imgur.com/a/5LC1xZr

okayplanet | Patreos20:48:17 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara... you are seriously shift goalposts. I was only wanting to refute your claim that "Miners don't have power"

Alexspi20:48:20 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

so many forks of bitcoin blockchain, eventually the one that is going to keep the name " bitcoin " is the winner

Madara20:48:26 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara20:48:29 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

What's the goalpost?

okayplanet | Patreos20:48:30 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Not that they have power over X, Y, or Z

Madara20:48:42 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Miners have no power because 1. They can be forked away 2. They do not make decisions

hadrian20:48:47 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

If they have any control over the network it can be taken away at any minute

OK, that's a fair point and a separate issue worth discussing

okayplanet | Patreos20:48:49 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

What's the goalpost?

To prove they have power!

okayplanet | Patreos20:48:53 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

That is it

okayplanet | Patreos20:48:55 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

That's all

Madara20:48:57 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You haven't

okayplanet | Patreos20:48:57 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

That's the target

Madara20:49:03 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Provided any reasoning

Madara20:49:10 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Explaining how miners have power

Madara20:49:11 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Have you?

okayplanet | Patreos20:49:11 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I gave you a tweet from arguable the most influential deev

okayplanet | Patreos20:49:13 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

dev***

Madara20:49:18 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Yes, and his point proves mine

Madara20:49:23 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Miners can be forked away with 1 line of code

okayplanet | Patreos20:49:24 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

okayplanet | Patreos20:49:27 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Ahhhh

okayplanet | Patreos20:49:29 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

haha

okayplanet | Patreos20:49:39 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

But that conflicts with your other argument

okayplanet | Patreos20:49:43 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

that Bitcoin will never change

okayplanet | Patreos20:49:50 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Because sha256 forever

okayplanet | Patreos20:49:51 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

lol

Madara20:49:55 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

It's still a proof of work coin

okayplanet | Patreos20:49:57 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You have sneaky feet

Madara20:50:07 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Yeah, as long as sha256 isn't comrpomised

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer20:50:13 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

altShiftDev

@finchify @syed_jafri classy behavior from some EOS community leaders. If you’re wondering why we don’t have good ledger support, look no further Rob! You took care of that when you told Ledger to pick cryptofairy in a private call. https://imgur.com/a/5LC1xZr

https://twitter.com/finchify/status/1059903950802051072?s=21

Madara20:50:14 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Oh come on

Madara20:50:17 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

There's no absolutes here

okayplanet | Patreos20:50:17 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

Yeah, as long as sha256 isn't comrpomised

It would be if we change the algo

Madara20:50:35 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Bitcoin is *generally* going to be exactly the same

okayplanet | Patreos20:50:36 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

And we are talking about change the algo because MINERS HAVE POWER

Alexspi20:50:39 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

most likely by 2024 bitcoin will be more decentralize as it will be super hard to mine the leftover btc's

Ricardo Marliere20:50:40 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

Miners have no power because 1. They can be forked away 2. They do not make decisions

dont they decide which version to run tho? I agree with 1 btw, in the risk of contradicting myself 😅

Madara20:51:04 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Miners decide which version they run

Madara20:51:11 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Users decide which network they connect to

okayplanet | Patreos20:51:18 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

It's still a proof of work coin

Ohhh... so now it can change as long as it is proof of work

Madara20:51:20 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Users buy coins from exchanges and buy goods in exchange for bitcoin

okayplanet | Patreos20:51:26 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You seriously refine yourself constantly

okayplanet | Patreos20:51:30 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

you said sha256

Madara20:51:36 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Uh yeah

okayplanet | Patreos20:51:37 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Now it only needs to be PoW

altShiftDev20:51:43 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

finchify

https://twitter.com/finchify/status/1059903950802051072?s=21

Was that a response to anything I said?

okayplanet | Patreos20:51:44 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I can't keep up

Madara20:51:48 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I'm confident that bitcoin will stay sha256 because I don't think sha256 will be comrpomised

Madara20:51:57 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

That's different than the discussion about mining and power in general

Rektoshi20:52:01 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

U two need to go to private chat

Madara20:52:05 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

That's a specific attribute of the code that I find preferable to bitcoin

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer20:52:22 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

altShiftDev

Was that a response to anything I said?

Yes. Submit the documentation and Ledger will approve your code. Problem solved.

okayplanet | Patreos20:52:27 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Madara489

I'm confident that bitcoin will stay sha256 because I don't think sha256 will be comrpomised

The current talk about changing it isn't because it is compromised! It is because of the optimized hardware

Madara20:52:37 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I'll DM you

Rektoshi20:52:44 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Im EOS telegram police

okayplanet | Patreos20:53:13 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Rektoshi

Im EOS telegram police

THANK YOU! TAKE ME TO JAIL PLEASE

okayplanet | Patreos20:53:16 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

immediately

Alexspi20:53:22 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

would be great if bitcoin changes to DPOS, they can choose the bp's

Ricardo Marliere20:53:27 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

😂

Madara20:53:34 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Ricardo Marliere20:53:42 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Alexspi

would be great if bitcoin changes to DPOS, they can choose the bp's

heresy

altShiftDev20:53:43 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

finchify

Yes. Submit the documentation and Ledger will approve your code. Problem solved.

I was answering your question about how you operated your contest and why the better app wasn’t selected in the first place. Do you care to comment?

okayplanet | Patreos20:54:30 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Okay. I think me and @Madara489 have come to an agreement to continue talk later

sc20:54:45 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

watsondave

The gaming dApps and their players prove that the scalability is there. So one key premise of the report is simply wrong. You can check the user counts and transaction volumes to verify.

One may ask them this question. Bitshares and Steem use the same graphene technology as EOS, but not once in 3 years did Ethereum backers or anyone else question are they blockchains. All of a sudden now when they are facing the biggest threat to their market share and adoption EOS is not a blockchain 😆. So Bitshares and Steem blockchains existed for 2-3 years and no one ever proclaimed they were not blockchains or questioned their tps. This farce, half baked web of deceit wrapped in the name of research is laughable. The research paper was never meant for plebes to read over 25 pages long, the intention was for the media to publish sensationalize headlines and disseminate excerpts of misleading and deceitful information. They want to form a narrative in the minds of sheep 🐑. What they are doing is the equivalent of politics and campaign ads created to form opinions not based on fact but rather a convoluted web of falsehoods.

Madara20:54:51 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I think the discussion around BPs/miners/users and the power they have is relevant

okayplanet | Patreos20:54:52 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

The chat is free from my loudness now

Rektoshi20:56:20 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

altShiftDev

I was answering your question about how you operated your contest and why the better app wasn’t selected in the first place. Do you care to comment?

Rob wanted to get ledger support quickly so he could get more votes. Need new ledger app.

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer20:56:43 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

altShiftDev

I was answering your question about how you operated your contest and why the better app wasn’t selected in the first place. Do you care to comment?

At the time of submission, we deemed CryptoFairy's UI and UX to be better than your UI and UX. CryptoFairy has the intention of updating the app over time as part of the bounty, and has already submitted at least 1 update with more functionality. The reason it takes so long for updates to come out is because security is paramount. That's why Ledger requested documentation of your code so they could sufficiently test it. For some reason, you refused to provide that documentation. So of course they are not going to approve your code. It's simple: submit the documentation that Ledger requested and you will have a shot at them approving your code first before CryptoFairy releases it in an update. In regards to the bounty, we have already announced the winner as CryptoFairy and that selection is final. Our $50k Trezor bounty is still open and you are welcome to submit an app for that competition.

altShiftDev20:56:47 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Rektoshi

Rob wanted to get ledger support quickly so he could get more votes. Need new ledger app.

Both were ready at the same time, quickness wasn’t a factor.

Alexspi20:57:10 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

so lets vote for bitcoin and ethereum to change to DPOS 😜🙈, I don't they will do it because they will feel they are copying EOS 😁👍

Alexspi20:57:51 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

worth a try?

Madara20:57:58 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

ETH is coming closer to DPOS when they move to PoS

altShiftDev20:58:00 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

finchify

Intestesting you’re making this about UI and UX now. You claimed on reddit that you evaluated my code and deemed cryptofairys to be better and that it was a team decision. https://old.reddit.com/r/eos/comments/9o3yg0/chintai_integration_with_ledger_nano_s/e7u52py/

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer20:58:14 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

altShiftDev

Both of those things are correct.

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer20:58:34 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I truly don't understand why you are wasting time arguing about this instead of just taking 20 minutes to put together the documentation Ledger requested.

altShiftDev20:58:47 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

finchify

Both of those things are correct.

Except you never had access to my code or the mental acuity to process it.

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer20:59:00 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

altShiftDev

Except you never had access to my code or the mental acuity to process it.

We had access to Ledger's expertise, which had access to your code.

altShiftDev20:59:55 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Ledger never evaluated the UIs or the features, but if they had they’d have discovered what the community has since September…

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer21:00:00 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I understand you are upset that you didn't win a bounty, but only 1 person can win this bounty. The rules were very clear and you knew when you started working on a Ledger implementation that there was a possibility you would not be paid for your efforts. Meanwhile, there is still another $50k bounty open with 0 submission that is just waiting to be filled. You can seize the opportunity to win that $50k but instead you waste time arguing about a decision that was already made final more than a month ago.

altShiftDev21:00:27 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

So you’re telling the community you evaluated the code with your experts had Ledger do the same and still made an epically terrible decision that has ramifications to this day?

Red Armanino21:00:38 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

CRASH is looking to pay 150 EOS per month for a Community Manager, U.S. West Coast time 9AM-5PM working hours if anyone is interested.

altShiftDev21:01:10 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You plead incompetence or malice? Just trying to get the story straight.

Red Armanino21:01:29 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

May be a good starting gig for a young, budding EOS fan :)

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer21:01:32 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

altShiftDev

So you’re telling the community you evaluated the code with your experts, had Ledger do the same, and still made an epically terrible decision that has ramifications to this day?

Rather than accepting you lost the bounty, you are clinging to the idea that your submission was somehow superior and a wrongful decision was made. Accept the reality that you did not win the competition.

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer21:02:00 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Regarding your recent article, Ledger told you the solution. All you have to do is submit your documentation of the code. Why not just submit it?

altShiftDev21:02:09 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I’m not upset I didn’t win the bounty, I’m also not upset I turned down the shady job offer your team made me during the contest… In fact I’m quite relieved this drama is over.

hadrian21:02:29 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Alexspi

so lets vote for bitcoin and ethereum to change to DPOS 😜🙈, I don't they will do it because they will feel they are copying EOS 😁👍

Imagine this. Lock up your bitcoin to get an asset on eos pegged exactly to bitcoin. Send it around with no fees. Pay for things with it almost instantly with no fees. Eos can be bitcoin's new lightning network.

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer21:02:36 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

altShiftDev

I’m not upset I didn’t win the bounty, I’m also not upset I turned down the shady job offer your team made me during the contest… In fact I’m quite relieved this drama is over.

A job offer was never made. We had offered to pay you hourly for help with integration Ledger support into our voting solution. You declined, which is fine.

altShiftDev21:02:39 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Ledger made exuses for why they couldn’t release in 24hours without having tested a thing. The article seems to have gone over your head.

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer21:02:53 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

altShiftDev

Ledger made exuses for why they couldn’t release in 24hours without having tested a thing. The article seems to have gone over your head.

Why have you not submitted your documentation? Answer the question.

altShiftDev21:02:59 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I did.

altShiftDev21:03:08 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

https://altshiftdev.com/gettingStarted

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer21:03:27 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Great, send that to Ledger and now they will consider approving your code. Problem solved!

Alexspi21:03:29 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hadrianBTS

yes thats the idea

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer21:03:41 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Ah actually it looks like you are missing 1 thing.

Matthew21:03:52 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

is there a place I can look to see dapps that are in the pipeline but not yet released? Hoping to find the best source for projects in the presale phase

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer21:03:52 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Ledger asked that your guide include how to create an EOS account for the first time as part of your impelementation.

okayplanet | Patreos21:03:58 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

account creation!

Alexspi21:04:00 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

actually EOS can be the lighting network for bitcoin, thats a great insight 👍👍

altShiftDev21:04:05 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

finchify

Ah actually it looks like you are missing 1 thing.

😂you’re too much

okayplanet | Patreos21:04:06 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Hey hey hey. Don't be mean. We don't have to be mean. #BuckarooBonzai altShiftDev , you know I pledge to you and love your stuff. Rob , you know I love your videos, blocks, and EOS work. If we keep this up, I will start a EOS youtube channel Jerry Springer style.

okayplanet | Patreos21:04:25 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Which I am comfortable with hosting

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer21:04:33 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

The rules from Ledger are standard across all of their apps. If you do not comply with the rules, you cannot expect for your code to be approved.

Alexspi21:05:20 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

EOS is prolly less confusing and faster than lighting network 😁😁

hadrian21:05:30 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Alexspi

yes thats the idea

Furthermore, imagine that this took off to such an extent that bitcoin transactions all but ceased, because it was all going on on the eos blockchain.

altShiftDev21:05:34 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

finchify

The rules from Ledger are standard across all of their apps. If you do not comply with the rules, you cannot expect for your code to be approved.

Yup, and I followed them to a T. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QI7DHd3HIyhKWydlmjBbB-dlUXquqAd-4f4ED_-wgAU/edit

hadrian21:06:32 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Alexspi

EOS is prolly less confusing and faster than lighting network 😁😁

There is that

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer21:06:53 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

altShiftDev

Yup, and I followed them to a T. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QI7DHd3HIyhKWydlmjBbB-dlUXquqAd-4f4ED_-wgAU/edit

Except you don't include a way for user's to create accounts, which Ledger has said they require.

Alexspi21:07:03 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hadrianBTS

Furthermore, imagine that this took off to such an extent that bitcoin transactions all but ceased, because it was all going on on the eos blockchain.

yaaa, that be interesting!

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer21:07:08 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Don't be stubborn and just add the 1 thing they are asking.

altShiftDev21:07:32 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

It’s hard to believe you’re a leader in this community with the appalling way you handle yourself. EOS deserves better, it needs better if we’re going to progress as a community. The amount of accusations of shady dealings that have flown your way - this morning alone - is astonishing.

altShiftDev21:08:12 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

finchify

Don't be stubborn and just add the 1 thing they are asking.

Stubborn says the kid who got us all in this mess back in August. 😂

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer21:08:17 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

altShiftDev

If you want to get your submission approved as you claim, take it up with Ledger. But stop throwing baseless accusations at me because you didn't win a bounty.

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer21:08:52 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

altShiftDev

Stubborn says the kid who got us all in this mess back in August. 😂

The "mess" you are referring to was a $50,000 gift from my pocket to the EOS community so that we could expedite the release of EOS Ledger support.

Benjamin Bohbot21:09:11 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Does anyone know if there is a French group?

altShiftDev21:09:41 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You can try to make this about the article or documentation but my very simple accusation is that you ran a botched contest that fucked over the EOS community. I’ve yet to see you justify how you and your experts evaluated and selected an inferior option.

Rektoshi21:09:56 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

altShiftDev

Actually Rob is not a leader. Just a BP.

altShiftDev21:10:22 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Rektoshi

Actually Rob is not a leader. Just a BP.

BP’s are viewed as community leaders and should be held to a higher standard.

Andrew Norris21:10:29 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

altShiftDev

Sorry, this is just so far off base.

altShiftDev21:10:38 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

They’re actually paid to run the network.

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer21:10:41 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

altShiftDev

Before the contest, EOS did not have any Ledger support for any functionality. After the contest, EOS has Ledger support with lots of functionality. More functionality is coming soon. Sounds like a net positive to me.

Benjamin Bohbot21:10:56 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Someone can help me? My eos are in mew and I want to transfer it to binance. But i need MEMO

Benjamin Bohbot21:11:11 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I don’t know what I have to do

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer21:11:23 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I know today is "shit on Rob for supporting the EOS ecosystem day" in Telegram, but can we tone it down for a while?

altShiftDev21:11:27 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

finchify

Again, you’re dodging the real issue in true politician fashion. Why did you select the inferior codebase?

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer21:11:35 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

altShiftDev

Again, you’re dodging the real issue in true politician fashion. Why did you select the inferior codebase?

We believed it to be superior.

altShiftDev21:12:03 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Do you still believe that?

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer21:12:16 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

altShiftDev

Do you still believe that?

Yes

Kevin Rose - EOS New York21:12:36 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

BennyBoh

Does anyone know if there is a French group?

t.me/franceos

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer21:12:51 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

One other benefit of CryptoFairy is he isn't so incredibly hostile.

altShiftDev21:13:17 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

finchify

Yes

Thanks for confirming that! Personally I thought that the need for a second app may be a red flag as to which was superior but silly me, I’m only a developer.

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer21:13:31 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

altShiftDev

Thanks for confirming that! Personally I thought that the need for a second app may be a red flag as to which was superior but silly me, I’m only a developer.

👍🏻

altShiftDev21:13:46 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

👍🙌

Dramu21:14:00 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Honestly rob don’t waste your time and energy on the odd whiners and whingers that are always going to plague you. You have better things to do

hadrian21:14:15 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

eosnewyork

t.me/franceos

And @EOSFrench @BennyBoh

Benjamin Bohbot21:14:27 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Thanks!

Rektoshi21:14:32 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Dramu1

Honestly rob don’t waste your time and energy on the odd whiners and whingers that are always going to plague you. You have better things to do

No he doesnt.

Dramu21:15:24 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Good, you can never please everyone no matter what you do .

David21:15:33 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Please unvote Cypherglass.

دط21:15:43 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

https://t.me/joinchat/DA231Q3dL6zXnknD_kSNVQ

دط21:15:51 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

https://t.me/joinchat/DA231Q3dL6zXnknD_kSNVQ

Rektoshi21:16:07 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Lol

altShiftDev21:16:18 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

finchify

👍🏻

It’s like that scene in the movies when a lawyer asks you too many questions, you get confused and you incriminate yourself.

Shae21:16:33 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

BennyBoh

Someone can help me? My eos are in mew and I want to transfer it to binance. But i need MEMO

When you go to deposit on binance, it should provide the necessary memo

Shae21:17:07 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

But, if your eos are on mew, that means you have not completed the mainnet transfer... ERC-20 EOS are frozen

hadrian21:17:53 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

BennyBoh

Someone can help me? My eos are in mew and I want to transfer it to binance. But i need MEMO

You can't transfer those ethereum distribution tokens. You need to access your eos account on the eos blockchain (it is a blockchain), unstake your tokens and send then from there. Did you register your ethereum address? Paste your address in at eosauthority.com for more information.

Benjamin Bohbot21:18:04 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

shae_1

But, if your eos are on mew, that means you have not completed the mainnet transfer... ERC-20 EOS are frozen

I did

Dramu21:18:33 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

If you have a MEET.ONE wallet it stores the nessesary memo so you can never stuff it up.

hadrian21:18:44 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

BennyBoh

I did

Then don't use mew

Shae21:19:01 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

BennyBoh

I did

You will need to use an EOS wallet to be able to transfer to binance then

hadrian21:19:22 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

shae_1

But, if your eos are on mew, that means you have not completed the mainnet transfer... ERC-20 EOS are frozen

I keep duplicating people's comments today 🤦‍♂

Benjamin Bohbot21:19:36 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

shae_1

You will need to use an EOS wallet to be able to transfer to binance then

You have one wallet to advise me?

altShiftDev21:20:10 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

BennyBoh

You have one wallet to advise me?

https://github.com/greymass/eos-voter/releases

Dramu21:20:44 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MEET.ONE wallet, very easy to use

Alexspi21:22:27 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i like MEET.ONE but some features are in chinese 🤓🤓

Alexspi21:23:24 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Can't understand what buttons i'm pushing lol

Patrick21:25:34 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Do i need to send the eos airdrops each? Or if i send the eostoken to ledger will the airdrops come with it?

Alexspi21:26:16 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

yaa send each

Alexspi21:26:37 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

eos is a separate token

Dramu21:26:44 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Press English then, I am not Chinese either

Alexspi21:28:08 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I have english, but some buttons don't change to english...I think its in the more advance features

quantum21:34:54 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

was this ever implemented?

MaxDapp21:42:19 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

just started my new youtube channel, check it out for general blockchain stuff, mostly eos related! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thBXl5gmOlQ&t=635s

Alexspi21:45:31 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

EOS takeover sounds a bit dictatorish 😆

Dat Lu21:46:47 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Can you guys stop talking about Rob, please talk about news coming on eos, and how we can help to go up ranking, i really want to see eos take of xrp and eth to be 2nd

Dat Lu21:47:05 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Stop bull talking on 1 single person

Jay21:48:56 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Bluffingtuna

Please unvote Cypherglass.

After today. Done.

Alexspi21:49:03 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

had no clue what was going on on that conversation

Alexspi21:51:26 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

we all should vote for the BP's that provide better tools and innovations to the eos ecosystem 👍👍

bitregen21:52:00 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Dat Lu

Can you guys stop talking about Rob, please talk about news coming on eos, and how we can help to go up ranking, i really want to see eos take of xrp and eth to be 2nd

EOS Headline November 6th, 2018 - Bancor launches BancorX on EOS, allowing conversion of ETH to EOS, converting EOS tokens, and moving BNT between Ethereum and EOS using their decentralized exchange. - A study comparing EOS and ETH dapp statistics through November shows 67%!g(MISSING)rowth in EOS dapps on DappRadar, up from 75 last month to 125 now. There are also 10 dapps with over 1,000 daily active users on EOS, while ETH dapps continue to stagnate in user count and activity. - Telos releases a statement detailing the no-go decision on their mainnet launch, due mostly to missing features, including the option to remove non-producing block producers, governance regarding Telos Foundation, implementing new smart contract types, and re-writing block producer configuration for on-chain governance. - EOS Asia interviews Joseph Fanelli, co-founder of EOS Asia, and Myra Wang, part of the EOS alliance. The interviews focus on the Chinese community and the importance of their role in the worldwide EOS ecosystem. - HKEOS, EOSYS, and EOS Cannon announce the official DApp Incubation Association to help dapp developers with publicity and finding investors. - HireVibes completes their airdrop to EOS token holders and releases their prototype app for Scatter wallet users. The prototype app is currently available on the HireVibes website. Read more here: https://t.me/eosheadline

Alexspi21:53:46 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

whats the link to BancorX?

Jay21:53:57 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Alexspi

we all should vote for the BP's that provide better tools and innovations to the eos ecosystem 👍👍

Ones that dont call people conspiracy theorists when they uncover shady goings on... and use deceit to cover their tracks😉

David21:54:10 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Please unvote Cypherglass.

bitregen21:54:32 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Alexspi

whats the link to BancorX?

https://blog.bancor.network/how-bancorx-works-from-ethereum-to-eos-and-back-again-649336ea1c4

Dat Lu21:55:00 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I vote for any whale thats push eos to kick off xrp shyt coin

R-

Rutger - infiniverse.net | Airgrab is Live!21:55:24 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

**Infiniverse Airdrop Update** Don't forget to Airgrab your INF before the Airdrop date. Already **12.366 EOS account holders** grabbed their Infinicoins by now! Infinicoins can be grabbed using bloks and EOStoolkit. For more info about the Airgrab and exclusive updates join us on telegram: https://t.me/Infiniverse

Alexspi21:56:23 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

BancorX Website https://www.bancor.network/tokens

Alexspi21:58:39 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

We should all leave other platforms alone, no bashing on other coins 👍👍

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer21:59:16 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

InfiniverseRutger

Infiniverse Airdrop Update Don't forget to Airgrab your INF before the Airdrop date. Already 12.366 EOS account holders grabbed their Infinicoins by now! Infinicoins can be grabbed using bloks and EOStoolkit. For more info about the Airgrab and exclusive updates join us on telegram: https://t.me/Infiniverse

When is the airdrop date?

Alexspi21:59:47 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

any platform that attracts people to crypto in general its a great thing

R-

Rutger - infiniverse.net | Airgrab is Live!22:01:23 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

finchify

When is the airdrop date?

Probably last week of November. Possibly first week of December. TBA very soon.

Beebop Haluula22:01:43 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

finchify

When is the airdrop date?

Really apreciate the "Everything EOS" youtube vids you do with Zac. I can see a lot of thought and prep is put into them. Very informative.

David22:03:23 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

So.. Dice is dumping

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer22:05:11 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

InfiniverseRutger

Probably last week of November. Possibly first week of December. TBA very soon.

Awesome! Please let me know when you have a firm date and I will do an airdrop spotlight video.

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer22:05:35 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Hexagonist

Really apreciate the "Everything EOS" youtube vids you do with Zac. I can see a lot of thought and prep is put into them. Very informative.

Thanks for watching! Huge credit to Zack for his hard work editing and preparing. Couldn't do it without him.

R-

Rutger - infiniverse.net | Airgrab is Live!22:05:52 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

finchify

Awesome! Please let me know when you have a firm date and I will do an airdrop spotlight video.

Alright. Will do. Cool.

Patrick22:06:28 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Alexspi

yaa send each

Tx and what about fee.been away

Alexspi22:07:36 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Bluffingtuna

So.. Dice is dumping

i think it's because EOS is pumping 😁👍

Alexspi22:10:30 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Porto82

Tx and what about fee.been away

no fees to send transactions but you might need to buy ram or stake some cpu and net for your account..That way you have enough resources to transact

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Alexspi22:14:18 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

InfiniverseRutger

Alright. Will do. Cool.

there is no mentioning of airdrops on https://www.infiniverse.net/ website

Neb22:17:17 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Alexspi

there is no mentioning of airdrops on https://www.infiniverse.net/ website

It is mentioned in the faq: https://www.infiniverse.net/faq.html But our updates come via our telegram: t.me/infiniverse blog: www.medium.com/infiniverse and mailing list

Neb22:18:01 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Alexspi

there is no mentioning of airdrops on https://www.infiniverse.net/ website

It is mentioned in the faq: www.infiniverse.net/faq.html

R-

Rutger - infiniverse.net | Airgrab is Live!22:20:00 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Alexspi

there is no mentioning of airdrops on https://www.infiniverse.net/ website

It's on the FAQ page (www.infiniverse.net/faq) and on our blog.

R-

Rutger - infiniverse.net | Airgrab is Live!22:20:41 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

www.medium.com/infiniverse

Alexspi22:23:33 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

with bancorX you can actually use fiat?

dandroidos22:23:45 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

@finchify a lot of people in the community appreciate you! Thank you for getting me into EOS and thank you for all your contributions to the community:)

Dat Lu22:25:21 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

dandroidos

@finchify a lot of people in the community appreciate you! Thank you for getting me into EOS and thank you for all your contributions to the community:)

If so why eos still not go up yet?

Dat Lu22:27:21 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I want to summon biggest whale of eos. Please make it go to number 4 rank now. U r sleeping

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer22:28:20 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

dandroidos

@finchify a lot of people in the community appreciate you! Thank you for getting me into EOS and thank you for all your contributions to the community:)

Thank you for saying that, I sincerely appreciate it 😊

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer22:28:35 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Alexspi

with bancorX you can actually use fiat? is it fiat or a stable coin? hehe https://eos.bancor.network/

I believe PEG is a stable coin.

Alexspi22:28:39 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

most important is to get mass adoption vs price

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer22:28:54 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Totally agree

Andrew Norris22:29:38 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

finchify

Thank you for saying that, I sincerely appreciate it 😊

+1 I also feel this way, thanks for all your work!

Rob Finch - Cypherglass Block Producer22:29:48 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

anorris

+1 I also feel this way, thanks for all your work!

🙏🏻😊

Alexspi22:30:04 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

if EOS goes up to the moon soon tons of whales will just crash the price and many retail investors will get rekt, making a bad name for eos

Alexspi22:30:55 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

what we need is accumulation and have incentives to stake more eos

Alexspi22:31:14 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

REX 😁😁👍

Alexspi22:32:04 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and ofcourse mass adoption 😁😁👍

华新

华新新22:34:04 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

😝

Dat Lu22:35:15 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Alexspi

REX 😁😁👍

When exactly this come out? 2019?

Alexspi22:37:49 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Dat Lu

When exactly this come out? 2019?

No idea but I heard in the near future it will be out for voting to implement REX

Alexspi22:38:53 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hopefully by end of year or beginning of the year

Jurij Gagarin22:40:36 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I changed my Owner keys via Greymass voter for my genesys account. Easy. Simple. @jestagram thanks!!🙏

jesta — TeamGreymass22:48:30 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

jurijgagarin

I changed my Owner keys via Greymass voter for my genesys account. Easy. Simple. @jestagram thanks!!🙏

🎉

Alexspi22:48:41 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

that's genius thinking on providing active and owner keys plus the staking model on the EOS platform, this ways is more hacker resistant compared to other platforms

Danielle Cortez22:48:58 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

I just read about Bitcoin yesterday

Pm me buddy Let’s share trading advices Am kinda of ah noob too But not yesterday kinda noob😅

Financialfreedomcj22:50:09 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

https://trybe.one/telos-the-eosio-software-code-fork-will-be-one-of-the-most-decentralized-cryptocurrency-project-when-it-launches/?action=bp_sap_mark_read&_wpnonce=7dbc0f80f8

Jurij Gagarin22:50:25 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

jurijgagarin

I changed my Owner keys via Greymass voter for my genesys account. Easy. Simple. @jestagram thanks!!🙏

And renew the voting “power” for my favourite BPs. Including Greymass

Marc Ortaliz22:50:43 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Daniellecortez001

Pm me buddy Let’s share trading advices Am kinda of ah noob too But not yesterday kinda noob😅

Yes join me on this channel @bitconnectexchange

oldcryptogeek22:51:14 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

Yes join me on this channel @bitconnectexchange

is not found sir

oscar moscar22:51:17 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

can i make another eos acccount on mainet??

oldcryptogeek22:51:18 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

pls halp

oscar moscar22:51:40 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and then move ll my airdrops and eos onto it?

patsushi22:52:43 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

people say eos is just a rebrand of bitshares. is this true ? and why ?

TK Sin22:53:36 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

MarcOrtaliz

Yes join me on this channel @bitconnectexchange

LOL your fucked

TK Sin22:53:41 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You just linked a bitconnect channel

TK Sin22:53:44 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You stupid kind

TK Sin22:53:46 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Kid*

Alexspi22:53:51 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

The only truth i read is that some code from the bitshares was taken to create EOS

Hatworthy22:54:39 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

oscar moscar

and then move ll my airdrops and eos onto it?

Yes. Easiest way I've found is to do it with the Lynx wallet on Android. It'll cost you €1 to set up the account.

Alexspi22:55:00 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

same from steemit since the creator of steemit and bitshare is done by same developer

oscar moscar22:55:01 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i got the mac one for free

oscar moscar22:55:42 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

my prob is that i lost my priv scatter key and cant stake

oscar moscar22:55:53 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

so i need to make a new account maybe

Hatworthy22:55:53 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

oscar moscar

i got the mac one for free

But actually opening the EOS account will cost you a little bit of money, to cover RAM, CPU and NET.

oscar moscar22:56:16 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i stakked some ram and opened it last night

Hatworthy22:57:00 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

oscar moscar

i stakked some ram and opened it last night

So do you have a new account, or not?

Alexspi22:57:05 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

the key fact there is that "some" code not all code lol

oscar moscar22:57:07 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i do

oscar moscar22:57:16 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

but it dont do what scatter does

Hatworthy22:57:40 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

oscar moscar

but it dont do what scatter does

Ok, were you using the scatter desktop?

oscar moscar22:57:53 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i was

Hatworthy22:58:03 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

There should be a backup file on your computer that you can use to restore your account

oscar moscar22:58:04 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i delegted he back up by mistake

Hatworthy22:58:10 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Hatworthy22:58:22 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

that's a tricky one

John McCoffee | Aloha EOS22:58:25 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

ill message you

Stew22:58:39 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hey everyone check my friends stream / youtube channel

Stew22:58:42 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

https://www.twitch.tv/jacqueswhales

Stew22:58:52 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hes live streaming dicebet baccarat right now

vatc22:59:00 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

People have been helping him by hand like 2 weeks. Not sure if legit.

Stew22:59:21 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

vatcTG

People have been helping him by hand like 2 weeks. Not sure if legit.

vatc23:00:20 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

This one guy. With deleted scatter. Sorry if I miss interpret.

Alexspi23:01:35 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

regarding scatter, what I've done is when you make a backup file of your scatter, you can open the file and scroll all the way to the end and erase some digits and save it...but make sure you write those digits on paper so you can write them back when you import scatter file again

Alexspi23:02:12 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

good way to be on the safe side

vatc23:02:20 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

And again. No need to have anything safe. Just use private keys. (Said many times over)

Alexspi23:02:48 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

yes but many will keep them backup files around lol

Alexspi23:03:10 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

easier to crack a pass

Jherome Mercado23:07:27 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

How can i earn here?

Jherome Mercado23:07:27 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Please help me.

P S23:07:58 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Chris Henery: https://www.reddit.com/r/eos/comments/9to2eb/beware_eos_royale_possible_scam_player_losses_400/?utm_source=reddit-android

John McCoffee | Aloha EOS23:08:23 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Jherome Mercado

How can i earn here?

you can lend your eos on chintai

Frankin Footer23:08:43 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Hey all. I messed up sending some EOS to the wrong account from Binance. I know I can’t reverse but was hoping to send the owner of that account .0001 EOS w/ a memo asking for it and letting him/her keep 1 of the EOS. Trying to do this via greymass but keep getting an error and it won’t send. Any suggestions? Thx.

Alexspi23:09:41 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Earn here?, hmmm...there is EOS strip poker haha joking, chintai is good option 👍👍

John McCoffee | Aloha EOS23:10:09 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

fuutlong

whats the error

biteos23:10:24 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

https://medium.com/@altShiftDev/ledger-blocking-release-of-second-eos-app-a0d47299dee

Frankin Footer23:11:53 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

HoneyBooBoosMom

whats the error

Can’t link the exact one now but it’s along the lines of - no longer supports this tool

John McCoffee | Aloha EOS23:13:43 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

how long ago did you download greymass?

Hatworthy23:13:43 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Have you tried sending via EOSToolkit.io?

John McCoffee | Aloha EOS23:14:22 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

the 'no longer supports' usually happens if you have an old version

Nikco23:14:54 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Emi Bias

trying to unstake EOS but being told 'account using more than allocated RAM' any advice?

https://www.blockchain.com/getcrypto is this legit they are giving away $25worth XLM? ~sorry off topic

Fuzzy23:17:40 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

https://t.me/jwhales

Stew23:17:40 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Please add my buddy’s stream chat, he does great daily eos videos

TK Sin23:22:10 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

No?

TK Sin23:22:32 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Wait

TK Sin23:22:34 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

It seems so

TK Sin23:22:35 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Etc

TK Sin23:22:36 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Wtf

TK Sin23:23:14 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Oh it’s 1xlm per person

Frankin Footer23:26:26 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

HoneyBooBoosMom

how long ago did you download greymass?

Months ago

John McCoffee | Aloha EOS23:26:52 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

yea, try updating to the latest version

Frankin Footer23:26:55 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Hatworthy

Have you tried sending via EOSToolkit.io?

I haven’t. Let me try that.

Frankin Footer23:27:01 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

HoneyBooBoosMom

yea, try updating to the latest version

Will do

John McCoffee | Aloha EOS23:27:04 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

https://github.com/greymass/eos-voter/

Enrique | EOS DAPP STARS23:27:33 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You can lend out on chintai but then that means youll miss out on airdrops

vatc23:31:31 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Chintai supported HVT airdrop. "Working on comprehensive support"

R-

Rutger - infiniverse.net | Airgrab is Live!23:32:36 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Released just now. Read how Infiniverse users will be able to earn Infinicoin. Our public beta will go live early December! https://medium.com/infiniverse/how-to-earn-infinicoin-c69e8639ee85

Frankin Footer23:33:49 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Was able to send it through eostoolkit. Thx for all the help

AnCapSnek23:35:04 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Been gone for a while, but it's OK. Looks like I only missed about 22,000 messages. Did I miss anything important?

vatc23:35:28 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

How much you offered to him % if he pays back?

vatc23:36:10 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Good luck either way. Might be decent person.

John McCoffee | Aloha EOS23:38:04 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

AnCapSnek

Been gone for a while, but it's OK. Looks like I only missed about 22,000 messages. Did I miss anything important?

your monsters died bro

AnCapSnek23:42:27 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

HoneyBooBoosMom

your monsters died bro

Lol! That's an understatement.

AnCapSnek23:42:50 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

It's cool, there was only 104 of them if I remember correctly.

John McCoffee | Aloha EOS23:43:15 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

😂

Moreno EOS23:51:47 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

tx bank 🏦 =0.50-3.00$ EOS TX = 0

Kieran23:52:03 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

AnCapSnek

Been gone for a while, but it's OK. Looks like I only missed about 22,000 messages. Did I miss anything important?

Just that Dan Larimers DPOS projects are the 4 most active and used blockchains world wide

Raul M23:54:53 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Hello, i have a issue with my grey mass wallet when try to send to another eos adress it send me this message of error

Raul M23:55:15 - 06 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Anybody can tell me what i am making wrong?

John McCoffee | Aloha EOS00:01:39 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

yea, you are using an older version and need to update

John McCoffee | Aloha EOS00:01:45 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

https://github.com/greymass/eos-voter/

Frankin Footer00:05:17 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

vatcTG

Good luck either way. Might be decent person.

1 EOs

Space🌌Walker00:05:23 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Register with my code ROMKA001 and earn 30 SWIPE for downloading and registering with blockpost. Download now at https://refer.blockpost.app/?code=ROMKA001

亚吕

亚虎吕00:07:29 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Entrepreneurs will even be able to create virtual businesses that exist in Infiniverse. Using our upcoming SDK, you can create a digital store, place it on some land location with high foot-traffic, and sell your digital, or even real goods in exchange for INF. For example, a musician could even create an animated virtual model of themselves, that walks around and plays their music, asking for tips and selling their albums.

🇨

🇨🇳00:13:55 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

eos中文群

🇨

🇨🇳00:14:02 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

thk

Raul M00:18:21 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

HoneyBooBoosMom

yea, you are using an older version and need to update

Thanks i will update

Barryeos00:47:19 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

biteos1

https://medium.com/@altShiftDev/ledger-blocking-release-of-second-eos-app-a0d47299dee

If you have a Ledger this is really bad news. AltShiftDev has answers and they are being shafted. Fairy wallet got there 50K so they don't care. Let Ledger know what you thing:

Barryeos00:47:23 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

https://support.ledgerwallet.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=360000272774

Yonas00:54:08 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

altShiftDev

+100

pad01:01:32 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Yoni4848

+100

-100 cryptofairy lets you do anything 90% of people would ever use ledger for

pad01:01:49 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

you can buy ram, vote, stake, unstake, transfer, hodl

pad01:02:07 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

why is this dude tripping because he has more bells and whistles

pad01:02:25 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

didn’t he lose months ago because his ui wasn’t as good

pad01:03:05 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

shouldn’t we just be hype that it only took like 2 months for ledger to support eos

pad01:03:20 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and it wasn’t even a b1 initiative

pad01:03:24 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

what am i missing here

Yonas01:03:29 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

But my point is the reson he gave on why he chose cryptofairy wallet is so amateur. functionality is more important than UI/Ux

pad01:04:07 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hodling with a dope ui/ux is more important to me my g

Yonas01:04:44 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

you can integrate your ledger to any other wallet, if you don't like ui/ux of @altShiftDev

暴8

暴风 801:09:26 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

谁会在eos上开发代币

暴8

暴风 801:09:35 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

会的私聊我

Paul Atreides - EOS Collective01:21:08 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

finchify

Here's my real EOS account https://bloks.io/account/heztanrqgene

Not that you’re serious but same owner/active key on that one. Nice 😋

Kent Cherry01:35:27 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

paul_muad_dib

For folks who are interested (everyone?): Whiteblock posted first in a series of blogposts following up on their eos report: https://medium.com/whiteblock/eos-follow-up-analysis-pt-1-895410e4cb4a

There is a person named 'the professor' who is rebutting this article point for point. ha

Paul Atreides - EOS Collective01:38:12 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Kent Cherry

There is a person named 'the professor' who is rebutting this article point for point. ha

It’ll get posted here, I’m assuming?

Kent Cherry01:39:54 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

paul_muad_dib

It’ll get posted here, I’m assuming?

https://medium.com/@nextlevelcrypto/this-is-not-relevant-to-bft-4ea48faa6105

Simon Says01:56:58 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Kent Cherry

https://medium.com/@nextlevelcrypto/this-is-not-relevant-to-bft-4ea48faa6105

One of the better replies I've seen to this ConsenSys-funded, partial "research"/blog post that's been passed around.

Kent Cherry01:57:21 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

/blog

Kent Cherry01:57:23 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

/blog

Dat Lu02:01:38 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

pad

shouldn’t we just be hype that it only took like 2 months for ledger to support eos

Ledger support crypto coins and some pp say eos is not bchain... if not why lèdger need to support it.. damm pp are so ....st ...pid now

Fender02:03:28 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

eos is just not built like the standard blockchhain

Jun | EOS Ignite02:03:46 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

EOS Universal Resource Income discussion happening with Anna from EOS Tribe.. and Shaheen from EOS Blocksmith: https://www.crowdcast.io/e/eos-universal-resource

Jun | EOS Ignite02:04:02 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Just started..

Fender02:04:36 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

thats what sets it appart. it is set up alot like a cloud service. but thats just one of its functions. decentraized storage.

pad02:06:10 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Dat Lu

Ledger support crypto coins and some pp say eos is not bchain... if not why lèdger need to support it.. damm pp are so ....st ...pid now

couldn’t have written that better myself

Eve MEET.ONE02:08:13 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Alexspi

Can't understand what buttons i'm pressing lol

We will optimize the language as soon as possible.

Greem Reap03:00:04 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Hey guys. You saw B1's recent post on the SF Hackathon right? It didn't say there that BitMEX's Maxim will also join the panel of judges but when you look back at the hackathon website, he's there. Hmm. I'm guessing it's because it's not yet official. But it could also be because they don't want to give it to everyone all at once.

Seb03:13:10 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

When is EOSfinex launching?

David de Cardenas (The DDC）03:17:05 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

10 Dapps with 1 MILLION USD 24 hr Volume

Yhim03:18:25 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

ddecarde

10 Dapps with 1 MILLION USD 24 hr Volume

Mostly casino

DataJunky | GenerEOS03:19:25 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Finally a fun gambling game.

DataJunky | GenerEOS03:19:25 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

https://t.me/realeoscrash

DataJunky | GenerEOS03:20:02 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

lots of gambling to lead the way into the future. There are a lot of cool dapps, but gambling is leading the charge

我

我是韭菜03:22:49 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

请问，eos映射时候私钥没有显示，这个问题如何解决有方案吗？

我

我是韭菜03:24:02 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

能做映射的都是听BM语言去做的，出问题应该解决，当时说没映射的怎样怎样，现在没映射的解决了，信仰的映射者的问题却没有解决

Aj03:34:52 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Trying to use scatter, however keep getting error "scatter key configuration mismatch" what is that ?

DataJunky | GenerEOS03:36:32 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

AjLeKush

Trying to use scatter, however keep getting error "scatter key configuration mismatch" what is that ?

Make sure you have the latest version of desktop scatter installed. https://t.me/generEOS <-- Join the chat for any help https://get-scatter.com/ Desktop <-- set up scatter https://helpdesk.eostoolkit.io/hc/en-us/articles/360016525851-How-do-I-set-up-and-attach-Scatter-Desktop-to-EOSToolKit- https://eostoolkit.io/home <-- Use the toolkit Use it to Vote, Name Bid, Track Auctions, Create Accounts , Proxy Vote, Staking/Unstaking, Buy/Sell RAM. These features have been developed with Scatter signing so you can trust that your private key is kept safe and secure.

J-

Joe - SayCubed03:45:54 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Can I vote with the meet.one wallet?

J-

Joe - SayCubed03:46:30 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Can I vote with the meet.one wallet?

Hustle Crypto04:15:15 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

New dex is starting to look fairly shady

Hustle Crypto04:15:31 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

dont hear much about it thou...

Hustle Crypto04:15:51 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

https://t.me/NewDex

Aravind04:19:07 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Guys

Aravind04:19:24 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Can someone please shed light on this "eoscrash" dapp ?

Aravind04:19:48 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I'm not able to even understand what kind of games will it have... And looks like it's ICO already started 😂😂

Hedi sdiri04:24:23 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Enrique | EOS DAPP STARS04:25:14 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

https://youtu.be/CxqbZ-usoCY

Enrique | EOS DAPP STARS04:25:58 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

https://youtu.be/CZdMSepxdWc

Slevin04:26:00 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Can anyone tell me when BlockOne will release their Wallet?

Slevin04:26:41 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Or the Date when the decentralized Storage will be implemented ?

Simon Says04:27:04 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Seb

When is EOSfinex launching?

Beta is this month, likely closed/private. I think they were targeting Q1 2019

pbsteen04:42:08 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Enrique | EOS DAPP STARS

https://youtu.be/CxqbZ-usoCY

Who’s behind this?

randomragdoll04:45:35 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Hot news : Betdice is giving away 10 million ZKS for playing on their platform. So basically they are giving out free CPU to incentivise their players to play more.

randomragdoll04:47:05 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

randomragdoll

Hot news : Betdice is giving away 10 million ZKS for playing on their platform. So basically they are giving out free CPU to incentivise their players to play more.

1 ZKS for every wager of 10 EOS or more

Ihavebigtits04:47:44 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Ihavebigtits04:49:10 - 07 Nov 2018 [UTC]

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