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Daniel Larimer20:44:05 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

When you have nothing left to lose... you go all in on crypto 😉

Phoenix20:44:12 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

It has actually made me personally avoid the whole marriage and other stuff because it has been cooped as a way to enslave or manipulate behavior

hadrian20:44:15 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The intricacies of social media contacts, friends and other relationships approach the uniqueness of fingerprints, particularly when you can see whether or not the relationships are reciprocated.

Sam J20:44:38 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

going through a divrose and having your kids, money, and independence and made a slave to your X and then having the courts overturn only part of a "balanced" arbitration...

I read your steemit blog post on this during my due diligence of EOS. My heart and sympathies went out to you.

Luka Percic20:44:56 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I have never been drunk.

you are missing out

Sagarmatha20:44:59 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

When you have nothing left to lose... you go all in on crypto 😉

So true. Dan, will the rising eosprice on june 1st proof that the speed of light isnt the ultimate velocitiylimit in space?

Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos20:45:02 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

going through a divrose and having your kids, money, and independence and made a slave to your X and then having the courts overturn only part of a "balanced" arbitration...

do you live close to your kids?

Dmac20:45:10 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

going through a divrose and having your kids, money, and independence and made a slave to your X and then having the courts overturn only part of a "balanced" arbitration...

Damn. The courts are so heavily waited toward the female in this situation.

Sam J20:45:12 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

When you have nothing left to lose... you go all in on crypto 😉

Lol. +1

Luka Percic20:45:16 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Never high

you are missing out

Phoenix20:45:17 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

lukapercic

you are missing out

Nah, he is more high

Saša20:45:17 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

life is hard. respect for not drinking while at it.

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daniellarimer

going through a divrose and having your kids, money, and independence and made a slave to your X and then having the courts overturn only part of a "balanced" arbitration...

blockchain will solve this

Saša20:45:55 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

wilframarketcap

blockchain will solve this

it will not

Phoenix20:46:15 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Then on top of it, you have corrupt courts

Daniel Larimer20:46:46 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I'm convinced the system is designed to discourage development of strong family

Ralph Lett20:46:50 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

mar2358

right

All the press is talking about right now is fair and honest elections, this could be very good timing

Tequila20:46:57 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I’ve always thought that dan speaks and presents remarkably well. It’s super rare in the tech space

Whale Fam20:47:02 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I have never been drunk.

Going to DC tonight?

Simo $$ [Idea doesn’t execute itself]20:47:10 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Dan, what did you learn during those difficult times?

Daniel Larimer20:47:18 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

meditation

Saša20:47:21 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I'm convinced the system is designed to discourage development of strong family

agreed. But that is because it is the age of the individual. We need collapse first.

Emma20:47:23 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I'm convinced the system is designed to discourage development of strong family

It is broken.

Phoenix20:47:29 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

My brother is pretty ill, taken away and controlled by state. Mismanaged and hurt by those assigned to care for him. Sad state of affairs, the courts and "system"

Franco20:47:42 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Wof310

It has actually made me personally avoid the whole marriage and other stuff because it has been cooped as a way to enslave or manipulate behavior

Millions of people with happy marriages

Phoenix20:47:57 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I spent years going to court, spent thousands of dollars fighting

Phoenix20:48:01 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Its rigged

Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos20:48:01 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I'm convinced the system is designed to discourage development of strong family

what would it make stronger?

Daniel Larimer20:48:17 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

even if you have millions to fight you cannot win in this system

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hadrian20:48:39 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I'm convinced the system is designed to discourage development of strong family

Designed __to__, or designed __in a way which does__?

Sam J20:48:39 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

even if you have millions to fight you cannot win in this system

I hope you’re giving them hell tho.

Daniel Larimer20:48:39 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

most likely outcome is you enrich your ex

Phoenix20:48:43 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

They dont even show up to court

Emma20:48:45 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Divorce is highly incentivised

Franco20:48:52 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

even if you have millions to fight you cannot win in this system

System is biased towards woman, giving them benefit of the doubt in all matters

Steve Smith20:48:55 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

And lawyers

Saša20:49:06 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

most likely outcome is you enrich your ex

depends on country luckly.

Sam J20:49:10 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

most likely outcome is you enrich your ex

Ugh. A second punch to the gut

Phoenix20:49:11 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I take off, show up, and they reschedule. It is all just a show, with no accountability

Dmac20:49:13 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I'm convinced the system is designed to discourage development of strong family

It’s quite obvious to those who are willing to pull themselves out of the ‘matrix’

hadrian20:49:22 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

fjmocke

Millions of people with happy marriages

Millions out of trillions? Maybe...

Phoenix20:49:39 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

fjmocke

System is biased towards women, giving them benefit of the doubt in all matters

This goes beyond that. We have a failed court system in general

Daniel Larimer20:49:41 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I ultimately had to realize that using force to "win" wasn't the way forward

Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos20:50:21 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

what did you use?

Franco20:50:41 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hadrianBTS

Millions out of trillions? Maybe...

Marriage is not the enemy. Selfishness and pride is

Dmac20:50:42 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Back door incentives?

Phoenix20:50:46 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I ultimately had to realize that using force to "win" wasn't the way forward

I realized that too, but it still is wrong they have the power as they do with no accountability

Daniel Larimer20:51:05 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

it speaks to the moral character of the mother

Phoenix20:51:25 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

It speaks to the moral character of our society too

Daniel Larimer20:51:39 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

the mother is influenced by society which gives her a pass

Phoenix20:51:40 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

As that has become normalized

Dmac20:51:46 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

it speaks to the moral character of the mother

Hence the divorce

wilfra | marketcap.one20:52:09 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hadrianBTS

Designed to, or designed in a way which does?

the second one. there is probably a fallacy for this. Fallacy-Of-Assuming-There-Is-A-Master-Plan

Daniel Larimer20:52:13 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

divorce because I "woke up" and she didn't

Sam J20:52:27 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

it speaks to the moral character of the mother

Yeah. Very tough spot. I think you can feel good that you took that pain and channeled it into something pretty cool tho.

Dmac20:52:47 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

divorce because I "woke up" and she didn't

So she thinks you’re nuts

Shae20:52:49 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

divorce because I "woke up" and she didn't

If she dies in her sleep, you don't need to get a divorce though

Daniel Larimer20:52:59 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I had to assume my kids would learn eventually and I wanted to set an example

hadrian20:53:27 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I had to assume my kids would learn eventually and I wanted to set an example

That doesn't work reliably

Franco20:53:42 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

divorce because I "woke up" and she didn't

No offence but forcing your beliefs on others is not cool. Waking up does not mean she has to have the same experience.

Daniel Larimer20:53:51 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

shae_1

If she dies in her sleep, you don't need to get a divorce though

if I catch your drift... I would likely need Tequila's help

Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos20:54:06 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

divorce because I "woke up" and she didn't

how can you know youre in the right and she's in the wrong? maybe you're just in another kind of a dream? how can you know what you're living is the reality and her's is not?

Sam J20:54:08 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Hahaha

Daniel Larimer20:54:09 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

fjmocke

No offence but forcing your beliefs on others is not cool. You waking up does not mean she has to have the same experience.

I didn't force anything on her

Dmac20:54:54 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I had to assume my kids would learn eventually and I wanted to set an example

How long ago were you awakened?

Shae20:54:59 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Aneta_EOS

how can you know youre in the right and she's in the wrong? maybe you're just in another kind of a dream? how can you know what you're living is the reality and hers is not?

It's not about right or wrong, just that their beliefs were no longer compatible within a marriage

Sam J20:55:05 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I didn't force anything on her

Sometimes people grow apart. It’s tough. You seem to have handled it well tho.

Daniel Larimer20:55:32 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

All of life is a learning experience

Coin Maximalist20:55:59 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The US legal system (and the West in general) is biased toward women.

Emma20:56:01 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The best solution is to structure the relationship in a way that everyone loses whenever there's a separation. The kids are more important. Peer pressure is also a major factor

Daniel Larimer20:56:10 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

what doesn't kill us makes us stronger... and if you believe in reincarnation... then even what kills us makes us stronger

Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos20:56:23 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I see it as diverging one from another at one point. When two go too far away it seems difficult to get back

wilfra | marketcap.one20:56:31 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

what does 'woke up' mean in this context? thinking taxes are theft or...?

Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos20:56:34 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

what doesn't kill us makes us stronger... and if you believe in reincarnation... then even what kills us makes us stronger

☝🏻

Red Armanino20:56:54 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Dan what do you think of succinct blockchains, will they kill EOS or make us stronger? @daniellarimer

Katie Roman20:57:00 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

wilframarketcap

what does 'woke up' mean in this context? thinking taxes are theft or...?

Most likely religious beliefs

Emma20:57:17 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

You either incentivize the union or you incentivize separation

Franco20:57:24 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I didn't force anything on her

Then I'm happy for you. If she left because her beliefs were incompatible with yours then you are not at fault. As long as you did make make life hell for her as some people do who has a change in beliefs

Daniel Larimer20:57:53 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Imperfectk

You either incentivize the union or you incentivize separation

but the magnitude of incentivization can be small or large.

Dmac20:57:55 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

It’s impossible to be in a relationship with someone who believes the brainwashing they are bombarded with once you are awake to it. You see it EVERYWHERE!

Franco20:58:09 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

summerskin

Most likely religious beliefs

Read his first Steamit post

Daniel Larimer20:58:13 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

incentivising union is also a bias that causes harm

Daniel Larimer20:58:45 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

eeooss

It’s impossible to be in a relationship with someone who believes the brainwashing they are bombarded with once you are awake to it. You see it EVERYWHERE!

this...

Franco20:58:51 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

eeooss

It’s impossible to be in a relationship with someone who believes the brainwashing they are bombarded with once you are awake to it. You see it EVERYWHERE!

That's not true. It's difficult but not impossible

wilfra | marketcap.one20:59:03 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

fjmocke

Read his first Steamit post

https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@dantheman/daniel-larimer--co-founder-of-bitshares-steemit

B20:59:32 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

fjmocke

That's not true. It's difficult but not impossible

Just like it’s not impossible to keep walking with a stone in your shoe

Dmac20:59:48 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

fjmocke

That's not true. It's difficult but not impossible

No. Impossible

wilfra | marketcap.one20:59:49 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

"My divorce was precipitated as a result of my on-going enlightenment that my ex-wife found to be incompatible with her world view. I was changing and rejecting old beliefs such as my Christian upbringing. The hypocrisy of the church and its widespread support violations of the Silver Rule made associating with that crowd increasingly difficult."

Daniel Larimer21:00:01 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

good relationships require work, but there is such a thing as irreconcilable differences

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io21:00:29 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Knowing thyself and having the ability to read people will go a long way.

Sam J21:00:41 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

good relationships require work, but there is such a thing as irreconcilable differences

Aka “Hard Forks” haha

Dmac21:00:52 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Fundamental beliefs need to be aligned

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io21:00:55 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Without self-knowledge relationships are doomed

Emma21:01:00 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

but the magnitude of incentivization can be small or large.

Unquestionably, I am only talking as one who can afford to lose everything to keep the union. Your position is more unique and more difficult

Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos21:01:28 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

what was that enlightenment that lead to your divorce?

Coin Maximalist21:01:53 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Don’t ever get married in a Western country. You can still have kids though

Dmac21:01:55 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Aneta_EOS

what was that enlightenment that lead to your divorce?

The truth.

Franco21:01:56 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

eeooss

No. Impossible

If you only think about yourself then yes it is impossible

Simo $$ [Idea doesn’t execute itself]21:02:01 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Personal question

Coin Maximalist21:02:07 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The court system punishes males

B21:02:11 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I always have a hard time believing people who label themselves as being “awake” or “enlightened” ...

Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos21:02:12 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

eeooss

The truth.

about?

Daniel Larimer21:02:23 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Aneta_EOS

what was that enlightenment that lead to your divorce?

911, Ron Paul, Fed, Churches supporting Government

Franco21:02:33 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

stellabelle

Without self-knowledge relationships are doomed

There is truth in that statement

Dmac21:02:36 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

fjmocke

If you only think about yourself then yes it is impossible

I’ll rephrase... Misery

nsjames | Scatter21:02:47 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

eeooss

It’s impossible to be in a relationship with someone who believes the brainwashing they are bombarded with once you are awake to it. You see it EVERYWHERE!

Everything is a type of brainwashing.

nsjames | Scatter21:02:55 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Being "woke" included.

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io21:03:03 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The core problem is conditional love. Until one reaches unconditional love for one’s self no love can exist for another

Fuzzy21:03:04 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

wilframarketcap

Christianity has been taken over in large part by the state and is not representing its true message but prob not the point

Franco21:03:10 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

eeooss

I’ll rephrase... Misery

Misery is a state of mind that can be changed. You define your happiness

wilfra | marketcap.one21:03:12 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

a lot of this is new to me. i find it amazing that you created and launched EOS during what sounds like a very hard and dark time in your life.

kevin hadfield21:03:20 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

BAT is dominating the market right now like a boss

B21:03:20 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

911, Ron Paul, Fed, Churches supporting Government

Do you see the government utilizing the power of EOS as “supporting” the government?

Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos21:03:24 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

911, Ron Paul, Fed, Churches supporting Government

then I'm on that road too...

Daniel Larimer21:03:26 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

no... EOS was years after the dark time

Mário Silva21:03:29 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

After Kurt Godel. I realized everything is a religion.

Daniel Larimer21:03:39 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The dark time was the year before BitShares

hadrian21:03:42 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

eeooss

No. Impossible

It's not impossible, just dysfunctional.

Jamie21:04:00 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

good relationships require work, but there is such a thing as irreconcilable differences

People come together, they live in harmony, people change and evolve perhaps in different directions. People separate. You will find happiness again And your kids will always be your kids no matter who they live with. How Cool will it be for them to tell their friends at school who their daddy is?

Dmac21:04:08 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

The dark time was the year before BitShares

👍🏻

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io21:04:13 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

stellabelle

The core problem is conditional love. Until one reaches unconditional love for one’s self no love can exist for another

And people will constantly “let you down “ because you’re too dependent upon the “other” to make you feel Happy

Alex M - clockwork21:04:13 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

Being "woke" included.

This

Kedar Iyer21:04:16 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

911, Ron Paul, Fed, Churches supporting Government

do you think 9/11 could have been an inside job?

Daniel Larimer21:04:18 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

During EOS I had the support of my current incredibly supportive wife

Fuzzy21:04:19 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

The dark time was the year before BitShares

why you say that? that was when there was money to build bitshares!

Fuzzy21:04:30 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

During EOS I had the support of my current incredibly supportive wife

ahhh i see

Franco21:04:33 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

stellabelle

The core problem is conditional love. Until one reaches unconditional love for one’s self no love can exist for another

I like what you are saying

Coin Maximalist21:04:45 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

One of the good things about crypto is it is basically impossible for divorce courts to seize 👍

hadrian21:04:46 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

fjmocke

If you only think about yourself then yes it is impossible

Not impossible, dysfunctional.

PaulyC21:04:53 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

During EOS I had the support of my current incredibly supportive wife

👍

Sam Kazemian21:04:57 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

k26dr

do you think 9/11 could have been an inside job?

I guess we'll find out when everything's declassified? 🤔

Daniel Larimer21:05:09 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

coinnnnn

One of the good things about crypto is it is basically impossible for divorce courts to seize 👍

only if they don't know about it.

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daniellarimer

The dark time was the year before BitShares

i see, i was just going by the timestamp of that post.

Daniel Larimer21:05:23 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

otherwise you rot in jail until you sell the crypto to pay the fiat

Daniel Larimer21:05:28 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

god help you if crypto fell

B21:05:34 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Dan - Are you supporting the government by “letting” them utilize the power of EOS?

Angel Ordaz21:05:46 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

only if they don't know about it.

😂

WealthFlow TMM21:05:46 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

god help you if crypto fell

Lol

Fuzzy21:06:07 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

bboisen

Dan - Are you supporting the government by “letting” them utilize the power of EOS?

can one tell the government not to use an open source project?

B21:06:24 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

can one tell the government not to use an open source project and actually get them to listn?

Nope

Daniel Larimer21:06:25 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

the open source license can only be enforced by the government

B21:07:20 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I’m thinking helping the government to build on EOS

hadrian21:07:28 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I blame @realtequila for starting this! 😁

Daniel Larimer21:07:34 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

the only way to win against the government is to take away their power to lie and blockchain is a huge component of that

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PaulyC21:07:51 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

blockchain can be positive for both gov and people

Fuzzy21:07:57 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

bboisen

I’m thinking helping the government to build on EOS

all i know is blumer saying a programmable dollar could become its own platform.

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it's a double edged sword

Fuzzy21:08:17 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

indeed

B21:08:18 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

the only way to win against the government is to take away their power to lie and blockchain is a huge component of that

Interesting.. So you’re helping the government to “break” the current system?

Tequila21:08:20 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

the only way to win against the government is to take away their power to lie and blockchain is a huge component of that

So why will they cooperate with efforts to enable blockchain solutions?

Franco21:08:24 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

k26dr

do you think 9/11 could have been an inside job?

There's a documentary, 9/11 architects and engineers. Proof is irrefutable

Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos21:08:30 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

the only way to win against the government is to take away their power to lie and blockchain is a huge component of that

it's a double edged sword

Daniel Larimer21:09:04 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

everything in life is double edge sword

Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos21:09:06 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

all i know is blumer saying a programmable dollar could become its own platform.

govs will print crypto fiat on blockchain

Dmac21:09:11 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Aneta_EOS

it's a double edged sword

So was the interview

Dmac21:09:32 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Internet

Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos21:09:45 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

eeooss

So was the interview

which one? Blumer's one?

Daniel Larimer21:09:53 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

blockchains are a tool to improve business effecency and auditability and make them more secure. All things that a honest government would want

Fuzzy21:09:55 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Aneta_EOS

govs will print crypto fiat on blockchain

indeed. they will be the "stable coins" people use to buy into more "volatile" cryptos

Fuzzy21:10:18 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

blockchains are a tool to improve business effecency and auditability and make them more secure. All things that a honest government would want

hm... are there honest govs?

Franco21:10:20 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

the only way to win against the government is to take away their power to lie and blockchain is a huge component of that

I live in South Africa. Please partner with my goverment. They are probably the worst thieves and thugs on this planet. Africa needs blockchain

Tequila21:10:24 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Dan I know this is off eos topic, but how do you feel about the DASH masternode solution to scaling digital cash? Is this scammy or a reasonable attempt at a global scaling solution?

Fuzzy21:10:28 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

im not sure myself...

B21:10:33 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

blockchains are a tool to improve business effecency and auditability and make them more secure. All things that a honest government would want

Is that facts? Because up until now I see governments as being everything else than honest..

Emma21:10:40 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The global nature of the platform protects if from individual governments.

Dmac21:10:42 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

hm... are there honest govs?

No but there will be

Jamie21:10:52 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

the only way to win against the government is to take away their power to lie and blockchain is a huge component of that

What government would be daft enough to want that

Dmac21:10:59 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Donald’s doin ok

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eeooss

No but there will be

i find myself wondering how public servants are never actually servants

Saša21:11:24 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

unpopular opinion: blockchain will not solve the major crisis of the 21st century. which is, in essence, an existential crisis. This crisis in turn will go hand in hand with the demographic crisis...the old and the lonely.

Dmac21:11:30 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Trump can’t stand government

Saša21:11:34 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

no gold or bitcoin will save you from this winter

Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos21:11:37 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

i find myself wondering how public servants are never actually servants

☝🏻☝🏻

Fuzzy21:11:46 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

imo citizens get total control over their identity and anonymity...

Fuzzy21:11:56 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

"public servants" must give up all that

Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos21:12:06 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

agree

Fuzzy21:12:11 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

and live in a life of such transparency its hell to want to stay for more than the alotted terms

Katie Roman21:12:16 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

imo citizens get total control over their identity and anonymity...

YES!

Jadd T - https://tokenshares.app | Cryptogenesis Corp21:12:18 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

imo citizens get total control over their identity and anonymity...

agree 100%

Franco21:12:21 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

moderator001

Truth to that. Atheism will be replaced my a Muslim majority. Good luck with that

Fuzzy21:12:33 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

its literally ass backwards right now "for our protection"

Emma21:12:57 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Jme247

What government would be daft enough to want that

They don't have to want it. Only officials benefit from the inefficiency in governments. Make them efficient and you would have achieved the goal

B21:13:51 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The Eos election voting system seems more and more possible with these conversations

Dmac21:13:58 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Imperfectk

They don't have to want it. Only officials benefit from the inefficiency in governments. Make them efficient and you would have achieved the goal

Yes, 90% of gov spending is unnecessary

Jamie Douglas21:15:26 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

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Skaks🙂

Katie Roman21:16:05 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

blockchains are a tool to improve business effecency and auditability and make them more secure. All things that a honest government would want

Yes, this is the vision I signed up for.

Rami James | Scatter21:16:19 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Mmcs85

After reading some off Kurt Godel work. I realized everything is a religion.

Funnily, this was exactly my take. I found it disturbing. How do you decide what to believe? If it is just chance (where and when you are born), then why believe in anything? It made me feel like I am on a high-wire, barely balanced over an abyss.

TheChosenOne21:16:45 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

The dark time was the year before BitShares

How old were you during the hard times?

Gnome - EOS Titan21:16:54 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

everything in life is double edge sword

except single-edged swords 🤯

Daniel Larimer21:17:04 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

late 20's

TheChosenOne21:17:22 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

everything in life is double edge sword

Will you share your new found wealth with your wife and kids?

TheChosenOne21:17:31 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Ex wife

Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos21:17:33 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

late 20's

what? the crizis?

Daniel Larimer21:17:44 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

gyom_eos_titan

except single-edged swords 🤯

when you need that second edge... even a single edged sword is "double edged"

Gnome - EOS Titan21:17:54 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

haha true true

Fuzzy21:18:32 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

when you need that second edge... even a single edged sword is "double edged"

indeed

Daniel Larimer21:18:49 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

farfaraway

you believe whatever produces the best results in your life

TheChosenOne21:19:37 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

During EOS I had the support of my current incredibly supportive wife

😂 Did you meet her at a blockchain conference? How did you two meet?

Saša21:19:38 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

you believe whatever produces the best results in your life

or..the worse.

Simo $$ [Idea doesn’t execute itself]21:19:44 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

What is your first professional achievement that changed your life?

nsjames | Scatter21:19:55 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

you believe whatever produces the best results in your life

Belief confirmation bias? 🤔

Saša21:20:16 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

fear works. ..marvels.

Fuzzy21:20:21 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

TheChosen1

😂 Did you meet her at a blockchain conference? How did you two meet?

that is the way to get married as a blockchain nerd.

Fuzzy21:20:57 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

Belief confirmation bias? 🤔

best time of my life was when i believed i was able to instantly transform into my favorite super heroes...

Daniel Larimer21:20:58 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

you can choose to believe anything... then your actions based on that belief will have concequences will inform you whether that is a good belief or not

Mário Silva21:21:05 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

farfaraway

Part of the how starts the moment you learn stuff and the environment you in and beliefs of your closed ones. The rest is all and decision on one self in life

Fuzzy21:21:10 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

but im thinking he didnt mean that :P

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Daniel Larimer21:21:55 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

the first thing to realize is that what you believe is a choice and you don't have to believe "provable things"

Daniel Larimer21:22:25 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

For example, believing in an afterlife may have positive benefits in this life

Sam Kazemian21:22:28 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

the first thing to realize is that what you believe is a choice and you don't have to believe "provable things"

yep. also don't believe in fake news. because that's what's used as "proof" for a lot of nonsense

Saša21:22:29 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

it is important also, to consider why not to believe in nothing at all, or to be a nihilist. Going down that rabbit hole will reveal enough about yourself to choose a path.

RUDEMUDCRAB21:22:49 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

For example, believing in an afterlife may have positive benefits in this life

Has much detrimental effects too

Franco21:23:04 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

the first thing to realize is that what you believe is a choice and you don't have to believe "provable things"

I like your take on it. What if there is evidence contrary to your belief?

hadrian21:23:06 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

blockchains are a tool to improve business effecency and auditability and make them more secure. All things that a honest government would want

https://youtu.be/dla42bY7k90 I doubt you could justify setting aside the time to watch this in it's entirety, but if you were to I'd be surprised if it didn't give you some ideas.

Daniel Larimer21:23:08 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

believing in nothing at is is also a belief, but not a particularlly helpful one in my experience

Saša21:23:08 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

it is important to realise, that it is OK to be you, the one who believes in nothing.

Simo $$ [Idea doesn’t execute itself]21:23:47 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

For example, believing in an afterlife may have positive benefits in this life

Maybe... Steve Jobs said the opposite

Mário Silva21:24:14 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

believing in nothing at is is also a belief, but not a particularlly helpful one in my experience

Even science lets us down sometimes.

nsjames | Scatter21:24:21 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

persianzuck

yep. also don't believe in fake news. because that's what's used as "proof" for a lot of nonsense

Fake news then also fall into that category though as it's only fake if you don't believe it.

Dmac21:24:36 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

My belief system changes slightly but constantly based on new ‘provable ‘ information.

Daniel Larimer21:24:53 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

sience is just a belief system, and much of modern science is more of a religion promoted by government

Emma21:25:20 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

We desire the most rewarding mental or physical environments. We can only desire what we know, we can only know what we experience and the best experiences are our rewards.

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daniellarimer

believing in nothing at is is also a belief, but not a particularlly helpful one in my experience

it depends. what is help and for what? a moral construct needs validation. If we are to live as long as possible..as healthy as possible...there is but the question: why so?

Daniel Larimer21:25:31 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

understanding the value of unprovable beliefs is important to have success

Jadd T - https://tokenshares.app | Cryptogenesis Corp21:25:45 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

sience is just a belief system, and much of modern science is more of a religion promoted by government

you ever research the double slit theory?

Franco21:25:46 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

sience is just a belief system, and much of modern science is more of a religion promoted by government

Never thought I would hear that out of your mouth. Totally agree

Rami James | Scatter21:26:29 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

you believe whatever produces the best results in your life

This took me until this year to understand. If I want to be happy, I have to choose to be happy. We actualize our reality.

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io21:26:32 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

This is a bit off topic but how does one procure an event ticket to B1 June 1?

Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos21:26:34 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

understanding the value of unprovable beliefs is important to have success

How do you prove unprovable? :)

Daniel Larimer21:26:47 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

you don't

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io21:26:49 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Is there a hidden vortex somewhere?

Fuzzy21:26:50 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

persianzuck

yep. also don't believe in fake news. because that's what's used as "proof" for a lot of nonsense

agreed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZHyLODgUvs

okayplanet | Patreos21:26:52 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

TokenSharesCorp

you ever research the double slit theory?

Yeah, apparently they were just discovering beliefs and it was just a figment of government.

Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos21:27:02 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

farfaraway

This took me until this year to understand. If I want to be happy, I have to choose to be happy. We actualize our reality.

Nice

Daniel Larimer21:27:17 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

if you limit yourself to only provable beliefs then you limit the potential experience and how you interpret the world

Daniel Larimer21:28:25 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I find that unprovable beliefs can make your day happy and joyful, or meaningless and depressing

Saša21:28:27 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

why does everything oscillate?

Dmac21:28:47 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

understanding the value of unprovable beliefs is important to have success

Agree 100%

okayplanet | Patreos21:28:52 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I was inspired to study science after learning of historical achievements of Kepler, Newton, etc... Apparently was just a cult belief system driving by government interest.

Mpalanyi Vicent Victor21:29:17 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

@daniellarimer hello, is there a connection between BEOS and EOS?

Saša21:29:30 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

why do things of the universe move or swing back and forth in a regular rhythm, or oscillate.

Saša21:29:33 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

think about this

Jadd T - https://tokenshares.app | Cryptogenesis Corp21:29:34 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

quantum entanglement theory - double slit theory, that is what I was talking about

Saša21:29:42 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

and build the chain

Daniel Larimer21:29:53 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

okayplanet

I was inspired to study science after learning of historical achievements of Kepler, Newton, etc... Apparently was just a cult belief system driving by government interest.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/04/yvonne-lorenzo/holy-fire/

Franco21:30:37 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The inventors of modern science all believed in something greater that themselves. That is what drove their curiosity. Science will revert back to those golden days as modern discoveries clearly show complexity beyond our understanding. Darwin's theory does not fit the bill and scientists are waking up. Unfortunately the state funded universities are forcing their propaganda on the world

Georgeos21:30:55 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Ethereum announced that it will migrate its token, ETH, to the Binance Chain blockchain, 😊😊😊

Daniel Larimer21:31:08 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

scientific theories can become religions which then turn against anyone who presents data that doesn't fit the fthoery

Franco21:31:23 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

scientific theories can become religions which then turn against anyone who presents data that doesn't fit the fthoery

Absolutely

Saša21:31:52 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

scientific theories can become religions which then turn against anyone who presents data that doesn't fit the fthoery

this is true most of the time

Dmac21:32:30 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

scientific theories can become religions which then turn against anyone who presents data that doesn't fit the fthoery

climate change...

Daniel Larimer21:32:49 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

all you need to know to prove a science is a religion is to look at vaccine debate censorship, climate change

Daniel Larimer21:33:03 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

when discussion is censored... science has turned to religion

Saša21:33:10 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I do wonder, why do we think of religion as something so evil and bad. This longing for freedom, while not really understanding what it means to have it...

Saša21:33:28 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

humans need a small community...this is what we are..in essence

Daniel Larimer21:33:44 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I am coming to believe that religion has a place and may be necessary for a moral society

Tequila21:33:49 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

all you need to know to prove a science is a religion is to look at vaccine debate censorship, climate change

This blows my mind

Saša21:33:57 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I am coming to believe that religion has a place and may be necessary for a moral society

agreed

Daniel Larimer21:34:37 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The mental capacity to justify "moral behavior" based upon reason is lacking in the vast majority of people. These people need a religion "faith-like" approach

Franco21:34:38 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

all you need to know to prove a science is a religion is to look at vaccine debate censorship, climate change

Yeah the vaccine debate is ridiculous. Proven science my ass. No long term studies are available, how can the debate be over?

Dallas Rushing21:34:51 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

all you need to know to prove a science is a religion is to look at vaccine debate censorship, climate change

behind censorship hides truth.....usually 🙂

Saša21:34:53 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

people...do not understand religion very well. they see the symptoms...there is so much more underneath. there is the essence of what we are.

Alex Bird21:34:59 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I am coming to believe that religion has a place and may be necessary for a moral society

Yes it keeps the masses calm

okayplanet | Patreos21:35:00 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The interesting thing about science, and its history, is how major acheivments went against establishment and consensus, and they were only accepted after thorough experimentation.

Daniel Larimer21:35:41 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

if you convince everyone that there is no god, that we are just atoms, and the world is chaos, then many will rationally conclude they should do whatever they can get away with

Franco21:35:50 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I am coming to believe that religion has a place and may be necessary for a moral society

Society will deteriorate without it, as we are currently experiencing

Daniel Larimer21:36:16 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

that said, religion can be currupted by government

Dmac21:36:20 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Government grants are huge problem for corruption of science

Emma21:36:21 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Big bang in no space and the evolution of created matter.

Daniel21:36:24 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

The mental capacity to justify "moral behavior" based upon reason is lacking in the vast majority of people. These people need a religion "faith-like" approach

What if religion is out of “moral behavior”? World is full of religions and all I see is just a battle to takeover one each other....

Sam Kazemian21:36:27 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

if you convince everyone that there is no god, that we are just atoms, and the world is chaos, then many will rationally conclude they should do whatever they can get away with

Are you a Kantian/pro categorical imperative ethics?

Franco21:36:33 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

if you convince everyone that there is no god, that we are just atoms, and the world is chaos, then many will rationally conclude they should do whatever they can get away with

Survival of the fittest. Why care for the weak and poor? Makes more sense to kill them

Saša21:36:39 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

The mental capacity to justify "moral behavior" based upon reason is lacking in the vast majority of people. These people need a religion "faith-like" approach

there is in fact no way to determine what is good based on reason beyond the intrinsic nescessities of a body. Morality on religious grounds is far superior. it just states that what is good. This is a good rule and works for a community.

Sam Kazemian21:36:59 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/kant-moral/

okayplanet | Patreos21:37:02 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

There are a lot of zealots who park their careers around theories and paradigms, but they aren't too difficult to break through if the data is compelling.

Alex M - clockwork21:37:42 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

fjmocke

Survival of the fittest. Why care for the weak and poor? Makes more sense to kill them

empathy is not a conscious response

Alex Bird21:38:05 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

moderator001

Ying and Yang, freedom of mind and necessary followership

Alex M - clockwork21:38:25 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

and if you lack it, you'd still be a dick regardless of environment/society/framework of living

Franco21:38:28 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

danysof

What if religion is out of “moral behavior”? World is full of religions and all I see is just a battle to takeover one each other....

This might be controversial but not all religions are made equal. There is one which teaches 'love your enemies'. The problem is when that religion teaches to kill your enemies

Daniel Larimer21:38:32 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

the challenge is to avoid "canned religions" which have become corrupted by those who use them for power

Sunn Crypto21:38:38 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I am coming to believe that religion has a place and may be necessary for a moral society

In some cases this kind of moral society is worse than a pagan society

Saša21:38:47 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

persianzuck

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/kant-moral/

🙂 +1

nsjames | Scatter21:39:10 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Religion isn't required to be good.

Daniel Larimer21:39:20 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

Religion isn't required to be good.

not saying it is

nsjames | Scatter21:39:23 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The same as being good isn't required for being religious.

Sam Kazemian21:39:27 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

moderator001

🙂 +1

I think everyone should read Kant's ethics

okayplanet | Patreos21:39:33 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I am coming to believe that religion has a place and may be necessary for a moral society

I might have to fiddle with the term, but I think something spiritual is important.

Alex Bird21:39:39 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

the challenge is to avoid "canned religions" which have become corrupted by those who use them for power

Is a religion not always a command? "You shall"?

Saša21:39:45 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

Religion isn't required to be good.

it is not. but the problem is to know what is good. communities are complex..they found a way...its called religion.

Franco21:39:52 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

Religion isn't required to be good.

What is your definition of good? Why should there be one?

Alex M - clockwork21:39:52 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

The same as being good isn't required for being religious.

had the same discussion with dan a couple of days ago

Daniel21:40:21 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

fjmocke

This might be controversial but not all religions are made equal. There is one which teaches 'love your enemies'. The problem is when that religion teaches to kill your enemies

The one that teach to love your enemy eventually rape our sons.

nsjames | Scatter21:40:27 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

fjmocke

What is your definition of good? Why should there be one?

Everyone's definition would be different. That's the paradox there.

Daniel Larimer21:40:37 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

life is good... death is bad...

hadrian21:40:40 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

all you need to know to prove a science is a religion is to look at vaccine debate censorship, climate change

Then it's not science...

Daniel21:40:45 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

Religion isn't required to be good.

Exact

Franco21:40:50 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The problem with 'free for all' is everyone decides what 'good' is for themselves. That ends in total anarchy

hadrian21:40:53 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

when discussion is censored... science has turned to religion

Exactly, it's no longer science

Saša21:40:53 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

life is good... death is bad...

life is suffering. death is unknown.

nsjames | Scatter21:41:05 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

life is good... death is bad...

Then we get into moral discussions though which prove that philosophy very hard to follow. Such as the trolly.

Emma21:41:11 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

Religion isn't required to be good.

Religion helps establish a (unique) standard for goodness. Without a standard nothing can be good or bad.

Alex Bird21:41:14 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

moderator001

life is suffering. death is unknown.

Death is known, your atoms dissolve

nsjames | Scatter21:41:18 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Intention should be what matters I suppose.

Daniel Larimer21:41:21 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hadrianBTS

Then it's not science...

the problem is that people claim it is science, and the very definition of words in our society prevents communication

Saša21:41:24 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Fredericus

Death is known, your atoms dissolve

this is not an experience.

okayplanet | Patreos21:41:34 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

persianzuck

I think everyone should read Kant's ethics

Well, many people do read Kant and often find him unappealing.

Daniel Larimer21:41:36 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

some would say that "church is not christian"

Alex M - clockwork21:41:44 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

Intention should be what matters I suppose.

road to hell is paved with good intentions

Franco21:41:47 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

danysof

The one that teach to love your enemy eventually rape our sons.

If a human being deviates from truth it does not mean the truth is error

Daniel Larimer21:41:47 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

censorship is not science

hadrian21:42:03 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

the problem is that people claim it is science, and the very definition of words in our society prevents communication

Yes.

nsjames | Scatter21:42:09 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

road to hell is paved with good intentions

I'd take the road to hell over a bad intentioned road to heaven any day.

Alex Bird21:42:10 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

moderator001

this is not an experience.

Death experience does not matter since result is still the same

Sunn Crypto21:42:13 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

life is good... death is bad...

Maybe death is bad for those who stay alive lol

nsjames | Scatter21:42:14 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Down with those old sayings.

Daniel21:42:27 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Imperfectk

Religion helps establish a (unique) standard for goodness. Without a standard nothing can be good or bad.

We should implement something like ISO9100. :)

Saša21:42:35 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Fredericus

Death experience does not matter since result is still the same

all that matter is that which can be experienced.

Beebop Haluula21:42:40 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

the challenge is to avoid "canned religions" which have become corrupted by those who use them for power

Yes, the truth knows no religion. But some are quite good at pointing the way.

Sam Kazemian21:42:40 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

okayplanet

Well, many people do read Kant and often find him unappealing.

Fair, but usually their explanation of why he is unappealing fails to address Kant's central arguments. Usually they just don't get him. But don't get me wrong, there are legitimate and sophisticated arguments against Kant

Alex M - clockwork21:42:59 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

I'd take the road to hell over a bad intentioned road to heaven any day.

saying was not about the christian version of heaven and hell....simply shows that intent alone means jack...

Saša21:43:00 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

fear for death, is irrational.

Emma21:43:07 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

danysof

We should implement something like ISO9100. :)

Start with the ten commandments

Saša21:43:08 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

it is exactly the same...as the fear to be born

Alex Bird21:43:15 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

moderator001

all that matter is that which can be experienced.

Why, experience is just a steering mechanism of an organism

Saša21:43:25 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

death is beyond anything that could be understood

Daniel Larimer21:43:25 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

perhaps dealth is neither good nor bad

okayplanet | Patreos21:43:28 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

persianzuck

That very argument is used to defend every philosopher--especially nietzsche. "Oh, you just don't understand x"

Alex M - clockwork21:43:28 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

suicide bombers "intent" is for a better world as far as theyre concerned

Daniel Larimer21:43:38 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

some say nothing is good nor bad, everything just is

Jadd T - https://tokenshares.app | Cryptogenesis Corp21:43:55 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

cuz it is what it is

Alex Bird21:44:11 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

moderator001

death is beyond anything that could be understood

Why you see the result of death: decompostation period

Sunn Crypto21:44:16 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Imperfectk

Religion helps establish a (unique) standard for goodness. Without a standard nothing can be good or bad.

Religion caused a lof of destruction in the past.

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io21:44:16 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

The mental capacity to justify "moral behavior" based upon reason is lacking in the vast majority of people. These people need a religion "faith-like" approach

👍

Sam Kazemian21:44:23 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

okayplanet

That very argument is used to defend every philosopher--especially nietzsche. "Oh, you just don't understand x"

That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying, I'd like to discuss why not that some people don't like idea X by philosopher Y. That's a clear given.

Saša21:44:25 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

TokenSharesCorp

cuz it is what it is

false. because it is NOT.

Saša21:44:28 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

that is the magic

Saša21:44:36 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

anything that IS is withing the frame of life.

Franco21:44:38 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

some say nothing is good nor bad, everything just is

That's the inevitable result science absolutism

Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos21:44:38 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

There’s good and there’s bad as there’s white and black and one cannot exist without the other

Jadd T - https://tokenshares.app | Cryptogenesis Corp21:44:45 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

unless you can prove that chaos and order work in some magical way to create physical reality

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io21:45:05 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Crypto communities are the new religion

Kastuwi21:45:12 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

fear of the unknown (hereafter) created the religion.

nsjames | Scatter21:45:14 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

suicide bombers "intent" is for a better world as far as theyre concerned

So, that's the conflict there in my eyes, and the core of this entire discussion. The rules set by those surrounding a person which help define their unique belief system is both good and bad at the same time, subjectively.

Dmac21:45:52 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

some say nothing is good nor bad, everything just is

I wonder this sometimes. Worries me though

Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos21:45:53 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

stellabelle

Crypto communities are the new religion

More people r less :)

Daniel Larimer21:45:58 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

law of conservation of energy states that systems tend toward chaos and randomness... but life is a contradiction to the law of conservation of energy... it shows things moving toward more complex higher-energy states from less complex lower-energy states.

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io21:45:58 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Everyone is mostly lost at sea and climbs to anything or anyone who is perceived to know the “answers”

Franco21:46:11 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Sunn Crypto

Religion caused a lof of destruction in the past.

Good things don't appear out of thin air but by trial and error

Jadd T - https://tokenshares.app | Cryptogenesis Corp21:46:13 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

it is all math in the end 432 HZ flower of life

Saša21:46:20 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

some say nothing is good nor bad, everything just is

I think that mkaes no sense. there is PAIN. and sorrow...and more pain when you thought you hit the bottom. ...and then there is joy. These experiences...will make it polarized. In fact..it is exactly the state of the universe that makes the experience of IT polarized...

Saša21:46:30 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

accepting this is freedom

Saša21:46:39 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

realizing it...is an existential crisis

okayplanet | Patreos21:46:42 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

persianzuck

I read Kant, debated Kant, wrote papers on Kant, dated a girl who LOVED Kant-- The categorical imperative is and always will be silly to me. Not sure what else I can do, but just let those tell me that I don't understand. 😔

nsjames | Scatter21:46:46 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

It's pretty hard to find anything that is factually __good__.

Alex M - clockwork21:46:50 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

so the larger question is if morality is objective :)

Sunn Crypto21:46:55 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Live for power and control is the worst thing a society can have

nsjames | Scatter21:47:08 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

so the larger question is if morality is objective :)

I don't think it can be.

Franco21:47:11 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

DNA spontaneously appears out of the primordial soup. Don't you know? 😂

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io21:47:21 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Most human decisions are irrational

Emma21:47:32 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

moderator001

This assumes that pain is ALWAYS bad.

Sam Kazemian21:47:35 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

okayplanet

Do you want to link me to a counterargument against his views that you found compelling?

Alex Bird21:47:45 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

moderator001

Funny how little animals on a small planet consider themselves a mirror of the universe

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io21:47:47 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Even if the person making the decision thinks they are rational, they usually are not

matt21:47:52 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

perhaps dealth is neither good nor bad

death is the cycle of life, so one cant be good and the other bad.

Alex M - clockwork21:47:52 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

I don't think it can be.

i think it can...i just think people are not inherently moral

Daniel Larimer21:47:55 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Imperfectk

This assumes that pain is ALWAYS bad.

those unable to feel pain wish they could

Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos21:48:00 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Interesting observation

Saša21:48:09 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

It's pretty hard to find anything that is factually and objectively good.

there is nothing good or bad but thinking makes it so - shakespear 😉

nsjames | Scatter21:48:15 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

i think it can...i just think people are not inherently moral

Morals change depending on situation though.

nsjames | Scatter21:48:24 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Or rather, the wanted outcome

Emma21:48:25 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

And the sorrow of your enemy is "a good".

B21:48:26 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

There are potentially equal amounts of good and bad in everything - It’s how you deal with it that defines how much and what you get out of it

Alex M - clockwork21:48:34 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

the few that are , tend to get metaphorically (and sometimes literally) sluaghtered during their life

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io21:48:41 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

perhaps dealth is neither good nor bad

Exactly.

B21:48:44 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Everything has an opposite

hadrian21:48:44 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Entropy

Sunn Crypto21:49:01 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

fjmocke

Good things don't appear out of thin air but by trial and error

In some case, those "good" things built out of suffering, destruction can reveal themselves worse than what we thought was "bad"

B21:49:02 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Day and night - Some people like day, some people like night more

Rick Estrada21:49:02 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

When you have nothing left to lose... you go all in on crypto 😉

Life is full of up and downs just like markets. That time back then was like the bear market but you seem to be on your way to new all time highs in your life from the outside.. Great accomplishment!

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io21:49:30 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Fredericus

Funny how little animals on a small planet consider themselves a mirror of the universe

Lol

Daniel Larimer21:49:56 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

without those hard times I probably never would have started bitshares

Saša21:49:59 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I think the conversation we are having right now, is the most important one thus far. We are talking morals.

Emma21:50:01 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

those unable to feel pain wish they could

Without pain none of us would have a finger to type

Franco21:50:02 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Sunn Crypto

In some cases, those "good" things built out of suffering, destruction can reveal themselves worse than what we thought was "bad"

That's true. No argument here

Saša21:50:02 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I am happy.

nsjames | Scatter21:50:20 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

without those hard times I probably never would have started bitshares

So perhaps death is both good and bad, and not neither.

Sunn Crypto21:50:24 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

When you have nothing left to lose... you go all in on crypto 😉

Is it your case, Dan?? hahaha

B21:50:47 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Death is just as good as birth

nsjames | Scatter21:50:51 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Theoretically, a parent passing after giving all knowledge they can possibly give, is actually the last piece of knowledge they can pass on.

R8 - everything is an altcoin21:51:20 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

without those hard times I probably never would have started bitshares

Did you write a history of what happened at Bitshares and why you left that I can find and read?

Sunn Crypto21:51:35 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

bboisen

Death is just as good as birth

Maybe death is birth :)

Emma21:51:37 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

Theoretically, a parent passing after giving all knowledge they can possibly give, is actually the last piece of knowledge they can pass on.

That is deep.

Daniel Larimer21:51:38 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Scuderia2

Did you write a history of what happened at Bitshares and why you left that I can find and read?

I left because it was the only way to pay the bills

Franco21:51:39 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

bboisen

Death is just as good as birth

Death might be even better 😜

Alex Bird21:51:46 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

So perhaps death is both good and bad, and not neither.

There is no inherent need for liveforms to die. That humans die is a construction of evolution, a necessary part for developement in iterations

R8 - everything is an altcoin21:51:49 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I left because it was the only way to pay the bills

Ah got it, thanks

Tequila21:51:54 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

We got deep here pretty quick

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io21:51:58 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

fjmocke

Death might be even better 😜

Death will free us

Fuzzy21:51:59 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I left because it was the only way to pay the bills

isnt it safe to say you were paying out of pocket to work on bitshares?

Daniel Larimer21:52:05 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

yes

R8 - everything is an altcoin21:52:07 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

realtequila

We got deep here pretty quick

wen avatar

Saša21:52:22 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

stellabelle

Death will free us

there was nothing to free you from. your prison is an illusion.

Fuzzy21:52:27 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

stellabelle

Death will free us

maybe death is an illusion because this life is just a persistant illusion

B21:52:34 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

You just can’t share knowledge of death in your life-phase and you can’t share knowledge of life in your death phase - So in life, death is useless and in death, life is useless

Saša21:52:40 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

well played Fuzzy

Daniel Larimer21:52:41 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

be and many on my team were working well below market rates to produce BitShares 2.0

Beebop Haluula21:52:45 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

some say nothing is good nor bad, everything just is

Maybe that is true but it’s not helpful for most humans. It might be more helpful to start with; Bad: that which leads oneself and others to suffering; Good: that which leads oneself and others away from suffering.

Tequila21:52:48 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

One min we are talking about a b1 airdrop confirmation from dan, then next we speculating about death

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io21:52:59 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

moderator001

there was nothing to free you from. your prison is an illusion.

Thinking is my prison but I have no other complaints

Fuzzy21:53:02 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

me and many on my team were working well below market rates to produce BitShares 2.0

i recall it.

Daniel Larimer21:53:05 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

realtequila

One min we are talking about a b1 airdrop confirmation from dan, then next we speculating about death

look what you made me do

R8 - everything is an altcoin21:53:11 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

This is why we never leave EOS

R8 - everything is an altcoin21:53:13 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

more fun to chat here

Fuzzy21:53:17 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i also recall everyone getting angry when you did the only reasonable thing you could do

nsjames | Scatter21:53:18 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Fredericus

There is no inherent need for liveforms to die. That humans die is a construction of evolution, a necessary part for developement in iterations

Mmm, i've actually experience a fair share of death in my personal life; and it's probably the single most impactful thing on myself and my surroundings that has every occurred. I'd say death makes us all humble, which is probably needed.

Franco21:53:21 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

realtequila

One min we are talking about a b1 airdrop confirmation from dan, then next we speculating about death

😂 love this group

Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos21:53:27 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

me and many on my team were working well below market rates to produce BitShares 2.0

For how long?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯21:53:27 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

@daniellarimer What do you think HYPE around binance chain?

okayplanet | Patreos21:53:28 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

persianzuck

Do you want to link me to a counterargument against his views that you found compelling?

Anything from Bertrand Russell on Kant, but I suppose we might already be speaking different languages there. There is a podcast, "The Partially Examined Life," that covers Kant with an occasion modern snear (It isn't a counterargument, but the tone of the discussion is pretty much how I've feel contemporary review of Kant to feel).

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io21:53:30 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

moderator001

there was nothing to free you from. your prison is an illusion.

I look forward to the day when I am nothing... again.

Fuzzy21:53:33 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i also remember you "leaving" when there was already a functioning product

IK21:53:35 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Rex v Chintai. A very interesting competition in tokeneconomics is brewing

R8 - everything is an altcoin21:53:41 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Sharding isn't going to turn ETH fans into deep thinkers

Tequila21:53:43 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Allow me to fix this

Luka Percic21:53:52 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

i also remember you "leaving" when there was already a functioning product

software is never done

Fuzzy21:53:53 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

gonna be interesting!

Tequila21:53:54 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

When lambo, when 100 usd eos?

Fuzzy21:54:10 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

make sure to spread some of your bandwidth to Initial Bandwidth Offerings via @stakemine :)

Alex M - clockwork21:54:14 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

i also remember you "leaving" when there was already a functioning product

To be fair...it's mostly outsiders that think that...

Tequila21:54:15 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Now where’s that bot to threaten to toss me?

Oscar Goullet | anox.io21:54:25 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

all you need to know to prove a science is a religion is to look at vaccine debate censorship, climate change

Do you believe in human induced global warming Dan?

R8 - everything is an altcoin21:54:31 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

realtequila

Now where’s that bot to threaten to toss me?

🤖 Stahp talking price

Fuzzy21:54:43 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

To be fair...it's mostly outsiders that think that...

for sure

Sam Kazemian21:54:53 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

okayplanet

Fair enough. I also have a degree in philosophy. I know Russell's view on Kant. I actually like Wittgenstein's musings on ethics a bit more but he's not much of an ethicist. I'll check out the podcast for sure though. Also for the record, I'm not a huge Kantian, I just think it's 1 of only 2 legitimate ethical frameworks that make any sense today

Fuzzy21:55:00 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

just always amazes me that people love bitcoin

Daniel Larimer21:55:09 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

ogoullet

Do you believe in human induced global warming Dan?

I believe our farming practices and lack of grazing is more to blame than CO2

Fuzzy21:55:14 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

but then say this stuff about dan "leaving"

Dmac21:55:19 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

ogoullet

Do you believe in human induced global warming Dan?

Crock of shit!

Luka Percic21:55:21 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

ogoullet

Do you believe in human induced global warming Dan?

who doesn't? the question is if it is bad or good/ok

Fuzzy21:55:24 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

and i say "leaving" in quotations for a reason.

Fuzzy21:55:36 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

to this day anything he builds is available for people to use

Tequila21:55:42 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Dan I think when you’re done with $EOS we should form a company to invent real hover boards. This would be the definition of happiness

Tequila21:55:46 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Who’s with me?

nsjames | Scatter21:55:46 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I believe our farming practices and lack of grazing is more to blame than CO2

Wha'd you think about that "Planting 1 trillion trees" solution/

Luka Percic21:55:47 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

just always amazes me that people love bitcoin

bitcoin loves you

Fuzzy21:55:49 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

including bitshares and steem...(and whaleshares)

B21:55:52 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

You should have all these theories about death guys, death will come. Do what you’re doing and right now you’re doing life

Sunn Crypto21:55:52 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I believe our farming practices and lack of grazing is more to blame than CO2

good

Jamie21:55:58 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

When Eth movIng to bnb chain

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io21:56:02 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

to this day anything he builds is available for people to use

People don’t understand the concept of inventors

Daniel Larimer21:56:06 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I also believe that space weather, volcanoes and other non-man made things are far more impactful

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HeadiEddie21:56:24 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

What do you say? Eos eco city on Isle de Mona?

okayplanet | Patreos21:56:24 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

persianzuck

I never got into Wittgenstein, mostly because of how notoriously difficult he is to read. I only minored in Philosophy, majored in Math--but the circles were always the same.

Franco21:56:35 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I also believe that space weather, volcanoes and other non-man made things are far more impactful

No belief required it can be proven

R8 - everything is an altcoin21:56:35 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

to this day anything he builds is available for people to use

Except when steemit censors us. But that's probably one reason he left

Sunn Crypto21:56:36 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Will Dan ever be done with EOS?? @daniellarimer

Dmac21:56:39 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I also believe that space weather, volcanoes and other non-man made things are far more impactful

🙌🏻

Daniel Larimer21:56:45 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

we are turning this earth to desert...

Fuzzy21:56:50 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

Wha'd you think about that "Planting 1 trillion trees" solution?

first we have to go on the premise that climat studies are not completely fraudulent (cough cough climategate)

Oscar Goullet | anox.io21:56:55 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I believe our farming practices and lack of grazing is more to blame than CO2

Aren't our farming practices and CO2 interlinked? The whole in the ozone layer is right over Australia. I haven't been sunburnt once since moving to Africa

Luka Percic21:56:59 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

we are turning this earth to desert...

nope, its more green every year

Fuzzy21:57:07 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

we are turning this earth to desert...

i honestly dont think we are

B21:57:13 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The Chinese just learned how to turn desert into green forest

Sam Kazemian21:57:20 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

okayplanet

I never got into Wittgenstein, mostly because of how notoriously difficult he is to read. I only minored in Philosophy, majored in Math--but the circles were always the same.

I wish I did more in math. Wittgenstein is impossible to understand. I never even bothered reading the Tractatus myself, I just went to class and had it explained to me, then flipped through the pages. It's a waste of time to even try to pretend to get it

Fuzzy21:57:20 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i think certain people in power are pushing an agenda to make us think this

Fuzzy21:57:28 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

so we decide to collectively off eachother

Luka Percic21:57:34 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

we are turning this earth to desert...

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth

nsjames | Scatter21:57:34 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

first we have to go on the premise that climat studies are not completely fraudulent (cough cough climategate)

You know, sometime is up. Most of us here have been alive long enough to feel the slight differences in climate regardless of either sides of the research.

Tequila21:57:40 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

It’s all fine. The earth will respond by wiping us out and starting over again

Alex M - clockwork21:57:41 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

we should turn it to dessert instead

Daniel Larimer21:57:41 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

ogoullet

Aren't our farming practices and CO2 interlinked? The hole in the ozone layer is right over Australia. I haven't been sunburnt once since moving to Africa.

no.... even if all farms were solar powered... our practices will still turn things to desert

Dmac21:57:41 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

we are turning this earth to desert...

We = our corrupt masters

Xeshan Bvx 🇧🇩 🇩🇪21:57:41 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

His some projects..🙂🙂

Fuzzy21:57:55 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

You know, something is up. Most of us here have been alive long enough to feel the slight differences in climate regardless of either sides of the research.

has 0 to do with the cause being humanity

HeadiEddie21:57:56 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Most sides of climate debate agree, we know far too little about how things work.

Sunn Crypto21:58:00 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

ogoullet

Aren't our farming practices and CO2 interlinked? The hole in the ozone layer is right over Australia. I haven't been sunburnt once since moving to Africa.

He meant we should tacle first the problem that causes the CO2 mate haha

Saša21:58:02 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hmm....

Fuzzy21:58:06 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

it is a fact the sun goes through stages

Luka Percic21:58:06 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

no.... even if all farms were solar powered... our practices will still turn things to desert

what you are talking about willis

nsjames | Scatter21:58:08 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

has 0 to do with the cause being humanity

Cause doesn't negate solutions.

Fuzzy21:58:26 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

Cause doesn't negate solutions.

cause must be first be identified to be able to produce solutions

nsjames | Scatter21:58:26 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I don't think the cause is even relevant.

Saša21:58:39 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

I don't think the cause is even relevant.

O_o

Fuzzy21:58:39 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

I don't think the cause is even relevant.

i totally disagree

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io21:58:46 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

ogoullet

Aren't our farming practices and CO2 interlinked? The hole in the ozone layer is right over Australia. I haven't been sunburnt once since moving to Africa.

Using nitrogen fertilizer in Midwest has created a huge dead zone in ocean in south..Everything affects everything.

Oscar Goullet | anox.io21:58:59 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

no.... even if all farms were solar powered... our practices will still turn things to desert

No I mean mass meat production, aren't cow's farting one of the biggest pollutants?

Daniel Larimer21:59:00 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

it is only relevant if people believe you have the power to change it

Fuzzy21:59:09 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

that is like saying "it doesnt matter that smoking causes cancer" if i want to reduce my chances of getting cancer

Saša21:59:22 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

why does anyone here care?

Alex Bird21:59:25 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Some fun fact: CSW said in his last interview he believes in god, but 2 sentences later he stated that the Bitcoin shall not be even allowed by god to be changed.

HeadiEddie21:59:27 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Aim for zero foot print and you cause far less ripples in the sea of shit we dont know.

Saša21:59:30 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

whats wrong with you people

nsjames | Scatter21:59:30 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

When a person is having an allergic reaction, the first thing you do is administer adrenaline. Finding the cause after saving the life is easier.

Fuzzy21:59:30 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

ogoullet

No I mean mass meat production, aren't cow's farting one of the biggest pollutants?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZHyLODgUvs

Fuzzy21:59:35 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

seriously look into this lady ^

Saša21:59:37 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

you are thinking about this all wrong

Saša21:59:39 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

jeez

Fuzzy21:59:41 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

she is one of the most amazing humans on earth

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io21:59:45 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

realtequila

It’s all fine. The earth will respond by wiping us out and starting over again

True

Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos21:59:47 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

no.... even if all farms were solar powered... our practices will still turn things to desert

Meat overconsumption is first

Luka Percic21:59:50 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

HeadiEddie

Aim for zero foot print and you cause far less ripples in the sea of shit we dont know.

there is no zero foot print

nsjames | Scatter21:59:56 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Alternatively, can't administer antivenom without knowing what venom it was.

nsjames | Scatter21:59:58 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

So there's that.

HeadiEddie22:00:08 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

lukapercic

there is no zero foot print

"Aim"

Fuzzy22:00:11 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

she has proven that all science we trust today has been gamed and is therefore pointless to leverage when attempting to find solutions

Daniel Larimer22:00:13 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Aneta_EOS

Meat overconsumption is first

its not the consumption of meet that is the problem, but how it is produced

Saša22:00:24 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

its not the consumption of meet that is the problem, but how it is produced

exactly

Luka Percic22:00:27 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

every dollar you pay for something is earned by producing more co2

Fuzzy22:00:28 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

Alternatively, can't administer antivenom without knowing what venom it was.

this is just one example

Fuzzy22:00:31 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

the examples are many

okayplanet | Patreos22:00:36 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

persianzuck

Ha. Seems to be a common story

Daniel Larimer22:00:39 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

the land needs cows to prevent it from truning to desert...

HeadiEddie22:00:39 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Can be beneficial

nsjames | Scatter22:01:02 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

she has proven that all science we trust today has been gamed and is therefore pointless to leverage when attempting to find solutions

All science?

HeadiEddie22:01:15 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

If we use land for cultivation.

okayplanet | Patreos22:01:16 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

ogoullet

No I mean mass meat production, aren't cow's farting one of the biggest pollutants?

belching

nsjames | Scatter22:01:20 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Some of that science launches rockets into space quite frequently.

Tequila22:01:23 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

If someone mentions how blockchain will solve this I’m going to hurl

nsjames | Scatter22:01:31 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

realtequila

If someone mentions how blockchain will solve this I’m going to hurl

😂

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io22:01:39 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

lukapercic

there is no zero foot print

There is. In ecovillages that are post-oil

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io22:01:46 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Dancing Rabbit is one

Oscar Goullet | anox.io22:01:50 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

realtequila

If someone mentions how blockchain will solve this I’m going to hurl

😂

Fuzzy22:01:52 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

Some of that science launches rockets into space quite frequently.

go look at that video

okayplanet | Patreos22:01:52 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

realtequila

If someone mentions how blockchain will solve this I’m going to hurl

HA!

Saša22:01:53 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

its too late anyway...70% of insects are dead allready

Fuzzy22:01:56 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

we can discuss after

Luka Percic22:01:57 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

stellabelle

There is. In ecovillages that are post-oil

cant be, they breath

Luka Percic22:02:06 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

they light fire

nsjames | Scatter22:02:07 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

lukapercic

cant be, they breath

And fart.

Fuzzy22:02:10 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i promise you will walk away with a different take on the agenda behind science

Fuzzy22:02:16 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

one example

Daniel Larimer22:02:16 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

science doesn't have to be perfect to facilitate engineering

hadrian22:02:19 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

realtequila

If someone mentions how blockchain will solve this I’m going to hurl

Ok, but it could!

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io22:02:25 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

its not the consumption of meet that is the problem, but how it is produced

Everyone needs a goat and cows in their communities

Daniel Larimer22:02:30 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

infact, some engineering efforts rely on things that science cannot explain

Luka Percic22:02:35 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

And fart.

peos

Sam Kazemian22:02:36 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

science doesn't have to be perfect to facilitate engineering

Boeing 737 MAX 🙁

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io22:02:36 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

And no factory farming

Satosi Creator of PITCOIN22:02:37 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

😡😡😡😡😡

Saša22:02:46 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

infact, some engineering efforts rely on things that science cannot explain

???

okayplanet | Patreos22:02:51 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

science doesn't have to be perfect to facilitate engineering

And engineering doesn't have to perfect to be viable

Jadd T - https://tokenshares.app | Cryptogenesis Corp22:02:53 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Biological meat harvesting domes are coming dont worry Dan. Bill Gates has his hand in this big time.

Luka Percic22:02:56 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

infact, some engineering efforts rely on things that science cannot explain

blockchain

Kastuwi22:02:58 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

the land needs cows to prevent it from truning to desert...

In India, cows created more problems

Fuzzy22:03:12 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

is that when she checked studies done she found that certain studies were replicated multiple times to make it look like there was a larger body of evidence when compared to studies that did not have the data those funding it wanted

nsjames | Scatter22:03:15 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

i promise you will walk away with a different take on the agenda behind science

Of course there's an agenda to it. There's an agenda to everything. Agendas don't negate scientific progress. You can't tell me that we as humanity haven't scientifically progressed over the past 150 years.

Jadd T - https://tokenshares.app | Cryptogenesis Corp22:03:20 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

infact, some engineering efforts rely on things that science cannot explain

Particle Physics is the future

Daniel Larimer22:03:26 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Kastuwi

In India, cows created more problems

I doubt the cows created the problem... the people in their managment did

Fuzzy22:03:29 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

watch the video please

Jadd T - https://tokenshares.app | Cryptogenesis Corp22:03:30 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Nanotechnology under 1nm

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io22:03:31 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

HeadiEddie

If we use land for cultivation.

Farmers mostly don’t grow food go humans

Satosi Creator of PITCOIN22:03:32 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

https://www.google.fi/amp/s/www.tvm.com.mt/en/news/bangladesh-student-burnt-alive-after-filing-report-about-sexual-harassment/amp/

Saša22:03:43 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

infact, some engineering efforts rely on things that science cannot explain

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io22:03:43 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

GMO is grown for animals

Satosi Creator of PITCOIN22:03:45 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

😡😡😡😡😡

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io22:03:52 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

This is the massive problem

Emma22:03:56 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

lukapercic

there is no zero foot print

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io22:04:04 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

risen_phoenix

https://www.google.fi/amp/s/www.tvm.com.mt/en/news/bangladesh-student-burnt-alive-after-filing-report-about-sexual-harassment/amp/

I read this

Fuzzy22:04:04 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

its honestly silly for me to debate it when you have one of the most intelligent scientists in medical community to show you the problems with it

Ralph Lett22:04:14 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Poop is the problem

Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos22:04:17 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I doubt the cows created the problem... the people in their managment did

Both https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/10/huge-reduction-in-meat-eating-essential-to-avoid-climate-breakdown

Daniel Larimer22:04:25 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

moderator001

I don't have the examples at the top of my head.

Satosi Creator of PITCOIN22:04:25 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

stellabelle

I read this

😞

Oscar Goullet | anox.io22:04:31 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

Some of that science launches rockets into space quite frequently.

Yeah saying every scientist in the world is a part of a giant conspiracy to push some coordinated agenda is about as ludicrous as saying the same about devs

Oscar Goullet | anox.io22:04:49 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

People aren't that organised lol

nsjames | Scatter22:04:51 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

ogoullet

Yeah saying every scientist in the world is a part of a giant conspiracy to push some coordinated agenda is about as ludicrous as saying the same about devs

My rolodex is enourmous.

Fuzzy22:04:53 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Aneta_EOS

Both https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/10/huge-reduction-in-meat-eating-essential-to-avoid-climate-breakdown

notice how this agenda is all about forcing us to do things because humans are innately "leeches" on the planet?

Kastuwi22:05:01 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I doubt the cows created the problem... the people in their managment did

you unbeatable, 👍 😊

Luka Percic22:05:02 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dogs produce more co2 than the suv

okayplanet | Patreos22:05:06 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

Ancient Egyptians had mobile tablets and apps. Nevermind, only stone tablets apparently.

Daniel Larimer22:05:08 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Aneta_EOS

Both https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/10/huge-reduction-in-meat-eating-essential-to-avoid-climate-breakdown

typical garbage that assumes meet eating depends upon CO2 production and that C02 causes climate change.

Luka Percic22:05:09 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

we should just eat them i guess?

hadrian22:05:09 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Science vs what people think of as science vs what is represented as science I support actual science.

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io22:05:10 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

None of us are farming right now

Alex M - clockwork22:05:11 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

ogoullet

Yeah saying every scientist in the world is a part of a giant conspiracy to push some coordinated agenda is about as ludicrous as saying the same about devs

or in other words. just because the government lies to you doesnt mean they lie about everything

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io22:05:18 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

We are in our crypto church

Fuzzy22:05:23 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

lukapercic

dogs produce more co2 than the suv

more plants grow when there is more C02 becaus it is food for them

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io22:05:27 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I could be farming

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io22:05:31 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I have land

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io22:05:35 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Lots of land

matt22:05:40 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

@daniellarimer what are thoughts on BNB?

nsjames | Scatter22:05:41 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

okayplanet

Ancient Egyptians had mobile tablets and apps. Nevermind, only stone tablets apparently.

Can you imagine them sitting there playing candy crush?

Fuzzy22:05:46 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

its called homeostasis and the planet too exists in a state of it

nsjames | Scatter22:05:47 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

GIMME THE CHISEL AMMAR!

okayplanet | Patreos22:05:51 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Dmac22:06:09 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

realtequila

If someone mentions how blockchain will solve this I’m going to hurl

Of course blockchain will solve this. We will all become fantastically rich when coins moon and then we can make spaceships and fly to mars where we will recolonize in a crypto utopia.

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io22:06:10 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Going outside now

Fuzzy22:06:13 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

Can you imagine them sitting there playing candy crush?

we never know what they had tbh.

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io22:06:13 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Hahahahaha

Daniel Larimer22:06:17 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

or in other words. just because the government lies to you doesnt mean they lie about everything

the funny thing about science... you only know what the media tells you about it... and the media only tells you what supprots government agenda.... and most science depends upon government funds.

Fuzzy22:06:18 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

stellabelle

Hahahahaha

lul

hadrian22:06:23 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

i promise you will walk away with a different take on the agenda behind science

Science has no agenda

Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos22:06:25 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

typical garbage that assumes meet eating depends upon CO2 production and that C02 causes climate change.

I’d say it’s overconsumption of everything and food waste that lead to resources depletion

nsjames | Scatter22:06:25 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

we never know what they had tbh.

What?

HeadiEddie22:06:25 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

ogoullet

People aren't that organised lol

There is a larger ordering at play. They are all livjng within a monetary system.

Fuzzy22:06:32 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

the funny thing about science... you only know what the media tells you about it... and the media only tells you what supprots government agenda.... and most science depends upon government funds.

bingo

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io22:06:43 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Building community garden...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯22:06:46 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

@daniellarimer do you know about the Mattereum project and what do you think about it?

Luka Percic22:06:49 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

the funny thing about science... you only know what the media tells you about it... and the media only tells you what supprots government agenda.... and most science depends upon government funds.

the greening of earth doesn't support goverment agenda, yet its published

Alex M - clockwork22:06:50 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

the funny thing about science... you only know what the media tells you about it... and the media only tells you what supprots government agenda.... and most science depends upon government funds.

funnier thing about science, you can test a large part of it yourself :)

Daniel Larimer22:06:51 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Unless you do the science yourself, you are trusting government media to interpret it for you

Clay Tom22:06:51 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Garbage from construction is big too.

Fuzzy22:06:59 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

that and funds from corporations that fund scientific institution's r & d

okayplanet | Patreos22:07:11 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Unless you do the science yourself, you are trusting government media to interpret it for you

This is true, and likely to only be further abused

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io22:07:12 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Humans mostly are destructive

Fuzzy22:07:18 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Unless you do the science yourself, you are trusting government media to interpret it for you

beatrice shows people how its even worse than this

Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io22:07:20 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

That’s the main takeaway here

Shae22:07:27 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Unless you do the science yourself, you are trusting government media to interpret it for you

Blockchain can solve this ( @realtequila )

Clay Tom22:07:27 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

And the burgers we eat while at work, then the steaks aftwards...and chicken fingers. Gotta have those too.

Luka Percic22:07:31 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

stellabelle

Humans mostly are destructive

no u

Daniel Larimer22:07:35 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

funnier thing about science, you can test a large part of it yourself :)

not really, not the "statistical science" that depends upon "large datasets" of "questionalbe origin"

Beebop Haluula22:07:41 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

stellabelle

I look forward to the day when I am nothing... again.

Be carful, the other edge to this sword is ‘I look forward to the day I am something.’ Alternative idea might be to drop the sword.

Jadd T - https://tokenshares.app | Cryptogenesis Corp22:07:53 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Shadow government owns everything...and has hand in everything.

Alex M - clockwork22:08:04 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

not really, not the "statistical science" that depends upon "large datasets" of "questionalbe origin"

depends on how much time you have really :)

Ashe Oro - EOS Radio22:08:17 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I'm convinced the system is designed to discourage development of strong family

The foundation for peaceful anarchy.

Fuzzy22:08:17 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

there are literally ghost writers that are paid to rewrite favorable studies and make it seem like there is far more evidence on the side of the agenda than against.

Fuzzy22:08:26 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I'm convinced the system is designed to discourage development of strong family

definitely

Tequila22:08:27 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

If Aneta doesn’t confirm that cows are delicious I think I’m going to have to retract my support for eosnetworkxx proxy

okayplanet | Patreos22:08:34 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

There is another part of this story of progress (even if we disagree on degree of progress). We have to be careful to not let progress in one domain (science, tech, etc.) justify a corrupt status quo

Clay Tom22:08:36 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Yat for shadow govt!! So, how do those jobs pay nowadays? Where to apply for shadow govt postings...?

Tequila22:08:37 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

;)

Jadd T - https://tokenshares.app | Cryptogenesis Corp22:08:40 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SHA-256 was born from NSA and DARPA

Fuzzy22:08:43 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

best thing to possibly do is have families attacking one another and divided

Saša22:08:47 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

look. we dont need meat..we dont need stuff...we dont need THINGS AT ALL...all we need is eachother..in small communties..and small dramas.

Daniel Larimer22:08:48 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

depends on how much time you have really :)

exactly... you are not "able" to do all science yourself because you lack time and experience.... therefore, science becomes what ever government tells you it is via the media

Fuzzy22:08:49 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

TokenSharesCorp

SHA-256 was born from NSA and DARPA

indeed

Mário Silva22:08:52 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

the funny thing about science... you only know what the media tells you about it... and the media only tells you what supprots government agenda.... and most science depends upon government funds.

I suspect that as well.

Clay Tom22:09:03 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

NSA gets to do ALL the fun stuff dont they. Uggh

Saša22:09:04 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

once this consumer based economy collapses...soon enough...it will all become clear

Saša22:09:14 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

it is so silly...

nsjames | Scatter22:09:15 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

exactly... you are not "able" to do all science yourself because you lack time and experience.... therefore, science becomes what ever government tells you it is via the media

Science can also be the bi-product though.

Dmac22:09:16 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Today is THE best chat ever!

Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos22:09:16 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

the funny thing about science... you only know what the media tells you about it... and the media only tells you what supprots government agenda.... and most science depends upon government funds.

If there are just few with the right to broadcast the news then how it can ever change?

okayplanet | Patreos22:09:16 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Clay Tom

NSA gets to do ALL the fun stuff dont they. Uggh

I think the CIA has all the fun actually

Fuzzy22:09:23 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

depends on how much time you have really :)

large studies cost millions of dollars

Saša22:09:25 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

YOU DONT NEED YOUR STUFF

Daniel Larimer22:09:28 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

the only science that matters is the science that is used to produce products in demand by a free market

Daniel Larimer22:09:35 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

all other science is religion

Alex M - clockwork22:09:40 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

exactly... you are not "able" to do all science yourself because you lack time and experience.... therefore, science becomes what ever government tells you it is via the media

well...some of us get our science somehwere outside CNN and fox news

Fuzzy22:09:40 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

yep ^

hadrian22:09:53 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Unless you do the science yourself, you are trusting government media to interpret it for you

That's a little bit like saying unless you design a blockchain yourself you're trusting coindesk to tell you which one's best. I'd say that an individual could at least read the whitepaper.

nsjames | Scatter22:09:58 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Science is littered through our natural lives, daily. The cars we drive, the sodas we drink, the plastic bottles that contains them.

Saša22:10:01 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

the only science that matters is the science that is used to produce products in demand by a free market

this is false.

Shae22:10:05 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

all other science is religion

Then there's the religion that is "science" 🤔

Clay Tom22:10:08 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I just heard a theory that Julian Assange and some other guy had a hand in bitcoin. And now they're feuding.

okayplanet | Patreos22:10:12 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

the only science that matters is the science that is used to produce products in demand by a free market

But what about the 26th dimension in String Theory!?

Clay Tom22:10:18 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

It was a fun story anyways.

nsjames | Scatter22:10:26 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The computers we're all talking on right now is a product of science.

Saša22:10:31 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

the only science that matters is the science that is used to produce products in demand by a free market

it is not true.

Fuzzy22:10:34 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

Science is littered through our natural lives, daily. The cars we drive, the sodas we drink, the plastic bottles that contains them.

and that science is rarely used for its stated purpose (to do no harm and to protect humanity)

Simo $$ [Idea doesn’t execute itself]22:10:34 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Scienze is not directly applicable to the market.

Luka Percic22:10:40 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

religion?

Shae22:10:41 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

The computers we're all talking on right now is a product of science.

Product of religion*

Clay Tom22:11:01 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Whats that blob.

Shae22:11:12 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Clay Tom

Whats that blob.

Black hole

Daniel Larimer22:11:12 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

lukapercic

religion?

a supposed black hole

nsjames | Scatter22:11:16 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

and that science is rarely used for its stated purpose (to do no harm and to protect humanity)

That was never its stated purpose.

Luka Percic22:11:18 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Clay Tom

Whats that blob.

your mama

Clay Tom22:11:21 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Its a donut.

Fuzzy22:11:41 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

The computers we're all talking on right now is a product of science.

indeed. and the agenda has always been to bring humanity to a singularity based technocracy without human freedom

okayplanet | Patreos22:11:42 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

lukapercic

religion?

That is an algorithmic piece of art

Saša22:11:54 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

the only science that matters is the science that is used to produce products in demand by a free market

there is the type of discovery, which in the short term does not lead to anything but can lead to great things and has in the greatest of discoveries of human kind. Do not say such things Daniel because it sheds a BAD light on fundamental science...

nsjames | Scatter22:12:06 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

indeed. and the agenda has always been to bring humanity to a singularity based technocracy without human freedom

Do you honestly think we are less free now than we were 1000 years ago?

nsjames | Scatter22:12:11 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cause I got some news for you buddy.

Shae22:12:17 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

okayplanet

That is an algorithmic piece of art

Our entire reality and existence is an algorithmic piece of art

Clay Tom22:12:27 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Exactly!!! and tasty no doubt.

numancoin (EOS)22:12:47 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

a supposed black hole

Hello big boss, we create Turkis EOS Fan group. Join us pls eos_turkiye with @ :)

Clay Tom22:12:54 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Computers didnt invent donuts, no way they get credit for that.

Fuzzy22:12:55 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

Do you honestly think we are less free now than we were 1000 years ago?

let me ask you...1000 years ago was there an nsa facility dedicated to collecting and referencing datasets specifically connected to me and all those connected to me?

Alex M - clockwork22:13:01 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

Do you honestly think we are less free now than we were 1000 years ago?

well..you were more free back then...unfortunately that meant others were more free to infring on your freedom as well

Alex M - clockwork22:13:10 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

thus kinda making the whole point moot

Daniel Larimer22:13:14 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

moderator001

by "matters" I mean that it is fine to study other things so long as they stay in the idea realm. When it starts bleeding over into excuses for taxation and violence that science shouldn't matter.

Jadd T - https://tokenshares.app | Cryptogenesis Corp22:13:33 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

@SirFuzzalot also NSA and DARPA and prob CIA had hands .onion network protocol

nsjames | Scatter22:13:36 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

let me ask you...1000 years ago was there an nsa facility dedicated to collecting and referencing datasets specifically connected to me and all those connected to me?

Your privacy being invaded doesn't reduce your freedom.

Luka Percic22:13:36 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

let me ask you...1000 years ago was there an nsa facility dedicated to collecting and referencing datasets specifically connected to me and all those connected to me?

no but there was suzy, that bitch ratted on everything

Fuzzy22:13:36 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

by "matters" I mean that it is fine to study other things so long as they stay in the idea realm. When it starts bleeding over into excuses for taxation and violence that science shouldn't matter.

bingo

Jadd T - https://tokenshares.app | Cryptogenesis Corp22:13:42 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

But few ever mention that as well...

Fuzzy22:13:43 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

it doesnt?

Fuzzy22:13:50 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

that is a stunning statement

Alex M - clockwork22:14:03 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

let me ask you...1000 years ago was there an nsa facility dedicated to collecting and referencing datasets specifically connected to me and all those connected to me?

you didnt expect the spanish inquisition did you?

nsjames | Scatter22:14:05 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

You are free to go live on a mountain outside of their reach.

hadrian22:14:10 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

and that science is rarely used for its stated purpose (to do no harm and to protect humanity)

Science doesn't state those purposes, science observes and investigates and constantly updates with new information. It doesn't state definitively what is true, but gives us the current best idea.

Clay Tom22:14:14 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

privavy invasion enables control.

Fuzzy22:14:20 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

You are free to go live on a mountain outside of their reach.

and you think that really is possible now?

Clay Tom22:14:25 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Thats the bet part about it!

Jadd T - https://tokenshares.app | Cryptogenesis Corp22:14:26 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

You are free to go live on a mountain outside of their reach.

Soon that won't even be possible lol

Saša22:14:29 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

by "matters" I mean that it is fine to study other things so long as they stay in the idea realm. When it starts bleeding over into excuses for taxation and violence that science shouldn't matter.

I think it is crucial to not think of science as something else than the search for truth....whether that may be productive or not. Truth be defined by the scientific method as such.

Luka Percic22:14:31 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

and you think that really is possible now?

many people do

Daniel Larimer22:14:32 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I think we need more fundamental science that doesn't assume the existing "laws of science" are true

Fuzzy22:14:40 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

TokenSharesCorp

Soon that won't even be possible lol

id argue it isnt today

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Shae22:14:50 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

You are free to go live on a mountain outside of their reach.

Only if I own the mountain. Otherwise I'm just hiding there until I'm caught

Fuzzy22:14:52 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I think we need more fundamental science that doesn't assume the existing "laws of science" are true

i think we forgot what science is

Clay Tom22:14:54 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The best for those desiring control at least.

Alex M - clockwork22:14:59 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

id argue it isnt today

there are places outside the US :)

Daniel Larimer22:14:59 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

as long as people understand that sicence doesn't produce truth

Fuzzy22:15:01 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

its questioning the common theories always...

Saša22:15:05 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I think we need more fundamental science that doesn't assume the existing "laws of science" are true

any theory can be falsified.

Cuba Coin22:15:09 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Rex stuck in step 2 ?? What’s your opinion

Fuzzy22:15:11 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

there are places outside the US :)

i doubt it honestly

Daniel Larimer22:15:13 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

science only produces approximations of reality

Luka Percic22:15:18 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

as long as people understand that sicence doesn't produce truth

in long term it kinda does

Fuzzy22:15:48 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

great example is john mcafee...he is on a ship out to sea. but drones are pretty cheap these days...and satellites that can read the brand of a golf ball exist

Daniel Larimer22:15:51 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

in the long term I'm sure we will find that our existing "laws of science" are as silly as flat earth

Saša22:15:53 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

as long as people understand that sicence doesn't produce truth

if turth is defined by replication, it could be. If fundamental truth to the universe beyond our own observing capabilities....then we can hardly make any such claims.

Luka Percic22:15:56 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

cubacoin

Rex stuck in step 2 ?? What’s your opinion

science gone wrong

Saša22:16:11 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

in the long term I'm sure we will find that our existing "laws of science" are as silly as flat earth

that is true.

Saša22:16:21 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

but that does not make the method invalid

Fuzzy22:16:22 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

in the long term I'm sure we will find that our existing "laws of science" are as silly as flat earth

honestly dont think "questioning everything always" will ever be outdated

Fuzzy22:16:28 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

that is real science

numancoin (EOS)22:16:32 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

in the long term I'm sure we will find that our existing "laws of science" are as silly as flat earth

Do you know BOSCore ?

Daniel Larimer22:16:38 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

science, the pursuit of truth is good.... science claiming truth has been found is bad

Fuzzy22:16:42 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

numancoin

Do you know BOSCore ?

exponential what?

Jadd T - https://tokenshares.app | Cryptogenesis Corp22:16:47 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

i think we forgot what science is

Science is constantly evolving the understanding of what we might even call fundamental science could be vastly different in the future vs the present...therefore science as we apply it and understand it is dynamic in nature (quantum)

okayplanet | Patreos22:16:59 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

as long as people understand that sicence doesn't produce truth

That's empirically true. You can use science data to pretty much hedge that bet. This has to be balanced with the understanding that just because it is science, doesn't mean it isn't true.

HeadiEddie22:17:02 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

in the long term I'm sure we will find that our existing "laws of science" are as silly as flat earth

And we would get there with our current "scientific method", then the refined method utilizing eosio.

Fuzzy22:17:14 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

all i know is that science today tells me i have to vaccinate my child against my wishes "to protect him"

Fuzzy22:17:26 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

and if something happens...the company that made the vaccine has no responsibility

Jadd T - https://tokenshares.app | Cryptogenesis Corp22:17:33 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Well that isnt science that is propaganda

Luka Percic22:17:36 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

HeadiEddie

And we would get there with our current "scientific method", then the refined method utilizing eosio.

eosio is religion

numancoin (EOS)22:17:39 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

exponential what?

boscorecommunity is a EOS sidechain

Fuzzy22:17:46 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

all i know is that 5g is a known weapon of war that has even been used in public

Fuzzy22:18:02 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

and now without longitudinal studies they are rolling them out everywhere i live

Justin Buck22:18:06 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

science, the pursuit of truth is good.... science claiming truth has been found is bad

Side effects of everything just need to be discussed more openly and honestly instead of read super fast at end of commercials. Human nature to watch a cure all, I think is the ‘problem’

Saša22:18:07 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

science only produces approximations of reality

your senses produce approximations of reality, and with that..everything you believe is as such. Colours..touch...smell...all processed ever so differently..and also tied differently to your emotional senses.

Fuzzy22:18:14 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

these things are not freedom.

Luka Percic22:18:15 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

all i know is that 5g is a known weapon of war that has even been used in public

5g of weed?

Fuzzy22:18:20 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

lukapercic

5g of weed?

LOL

Jadd T - https://tokenshares.app | Cryptogenesis Corp22:18:25 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

all i know is that 5g is a known weapon of war that has even been used in public

Well Radio and microwave frequency of a certain MHZ wavelength can be fatal

Fuzzy22:18:27 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

im sure there is longitudinal studies on that 😂

Fuzzy22:18:38 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

TokenSharesCorp

Well Radio and microwave frequency of a certain MHZ wavelength can be fatal

indeed. but 5g is worse

Fuzzy22:18:42 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

and weaponized

HeadiEddie22:18:48 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

lukapercic

eosio is religion

Just saying it could be handy in addressing many discrediting qualities in the market driven "scientific" establishment.

okayplanet | Patreos22:18:57 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

all i know is that 5g is a known weapon of war that has even been used in public

Go easy on bluetooth headphones too. I see too many people sporting those--and I'm not exactly sold on their safety

Luka Percic22:18:58 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

indeed. but 5g is worse

lol what a silly conspiracy

Dmac22:19:09 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Yes 5G is very dangerous to humans

Jadd T - https://tokenshares.app | Cryptogenesis Corp22:19:24 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

And just wait 10 years when they do studies on WIfi , soon to be wireless charging and wireless electricity short wavelength transfer and yes 5g

Fuzzy22:19:34 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

okayplanet

Go easy on bluetooth headphones too. I see too many people sporting those--and I'm not exactly sold on their safety

indeed

Luka Percic22:19:45 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

5g is not eve new specter dudes

Saša22:19:45 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

lukapercic

eosio is religion

of course..this is a tribal channel :). Just as human as another.

Dmac22:20:21 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

lukapercic

5g is not eve new specter dudes

Do some research champ

Luka Percic22:20:32 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i did, its an existing specter

Clay Tom22:20:51 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

5 G is fine.

Dmac22:20:54 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

lukapercic

i did, its an existing specter

Case closed

Luka Percic22:20:58 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

you are either already getting cancer, or its all stupid conspiracy

Jadd T - https://tokenshares.app | Cryptogenesis Corp22:21:00 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

lukapercic

5g is not eve new specter dudes

Spectrum and no it isn't but it also has never been transmitted in mass quantities globally

Clay Tom22:21:07 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Im moving into my MICROWAVE!!😌

Rick Estrada22:21:16 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I think we need more fundamental science that doesn't assume the existing "laws of science" are true

Well that is problem as you got people teaching things that are not true and high levels..

Luka Percic22:22:08 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

TokenSharesCorp

Spectrum and no it isn't but it also has never been transmitted in mass quantities globally

power is low

EOS22:22:13 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

science, the pursuit of truth is good.... science claiming truth has been found is bad

What do you thinks about Charles Hoskinson tweeting about Steve Job's HIV + ?

Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos22:22:19 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

and now without longitudinal studies they are rolling them out everywhere i live

Oh really? I thought there’s no 5g anywhere in the world and surely not in the USA

wilfra | marketcap.one22:22:30 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

in the long term I'm sure we will find that our existing "laws of science" are as silly as flat earth

agree. goes for social customs too. slavery was once thought to be fine etc. i wish i could see 200 year into the future and know what they will think is barbarians for. capital punishment and abortion come to mind.

Clay Tom22:22:34 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Microwaves arent new. Some political dude in Belgium said his people arent guinea pigs to be sold. So, wheres the 5G network starting again??

Fuzzy22:22:35 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Aneta_EOS

Oh really? I thought there’s no 5g anywhere in the world and surely not in the USA

nope...

Fuzzy22:22:43 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i see it allllll over hte place where i live

Clay Tom22:23:00 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

OH WAIT!! I know!! USA no doubt.

Oscar Goullet | anox.io22:23:11 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Nigeria's great if you don't want to have to vax your kids. Heaps of polio though.

okayplanet | Patreos22:23:20 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I think we need more fundamental science that doesn't assume the existing "laws of science" are true

Might be good time to try new funding models. We are starting to see stagnation with current returns on publicly funded science: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/11/diminishing-returns-science/575665/

nsjames | Scatter22:23:21 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

How much time do you spend in front of your microwave vs your computer?

Luka Percic22:23:29 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

thanks cia

Fuzzy22:23:53 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

lol

Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos22:24:14 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

and weaponized

How is it waeponized? I heard that it’s vulnerable to spying attacks and nocive for health but not that it’s waeponized.

Oscar Goullet | anox.io22:24:16 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

How much time do you spend in front of your microwave vs your computer?

Laptop on the lap will be my end.

Clay Tom22:24:24 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

They are very usefull those guys, for publishing for sure!

nsjames | Scatter22:24:32 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Aneta_EOS

How is it waeponized? I heard that it’s vulnerable to spying attacks and nocive for health but not that it’s waeponized.

Supposedly harmed birds in the netherlands.

Fuzzy22:24:36 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

by cia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQQH_A9qVgs

wilfra | marketcap.one22:24:40 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

How much time do you spend in front of your microwave vs your computer?

what about stove. blockchain needs to fix cooking. shouldn't take 20 minutes to make a meal i eat in 5.

nsjames | Scatter22:24:45 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Due to it's ultradirectional requirements.

MAX Cho [KOREA.GENERAL.MOM]22:24:54 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Aneta_EOS

Oh really? I thought there’s no 5g anywhere in the world and surely not in the USA

5G is the first part of Korea to be launched! Of course, it's only possible in a very small area.

Clay Tom22:24:54 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Ya.. birds dont matter anyway.

okayplanet | Patreos22:24:57 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

How much time do you spend in front of your microwave vs your computer?

I have 5 computers, but not 1 microwave. That means I am safe, right?

Fuzzy22:25:03 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Aneta_EOS

How is it waeponized? I heard that it’s vulnerable to spying attacks and nocive for health but not that it’s waeponized.

they use it on crowd control vehicles in riots

nsjames | Scatter22:25:04 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

okayplanet

I have 5 computers, but not 1 microwave. That means I am safe, right?

Jup.

Luka Percic22:25:15 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Aneta_EOS

How is it waeponized? I heard that it’s vulnerable to spying attacks and nocive for health but not that it’s waeponized.

it turns all the frogs gay

Clay Tom22:25:19 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I think they weaponize it, by turning up the dial.

Clay Tom22:25:26 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Pretty straighforward really.

Clay Tom22:26:00 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

volume low....its soothing....turn it up? ears bleed.

Luka Percic22:26:06 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Clay Tom

I think they weaponize it, by turning up the dial.

the dial only makes all the horses gay as well

nsjames | Scatter22:26:31 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

they use it on crowd control vehicles in riots

There's a pretty big different between 10ghz and 100ghz

Jadd T - https://tokenshares.app | Cryptogenesis Corp22:26:33 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

lukapercic

it turns all the frogs gay

Nice lol

hadrian22:26:41 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Clay Tom

Im moving into my MICROWAVE!!😌

Well so long as you don't operate it while you're in there it should shield you from microwaves!

Encrypted Bay22:27:30 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

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EncryptedBay

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Encrypted Bay22:28:18 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

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Starman22:29:16 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

science, the pursuit of truth is good.... science claiming truth has been found is bad

What do you think about simulation theory?

wilfra | marketcap.one22:29:21 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

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Luka Percic22:29:41 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

tesla wanted to fry all people brains with his towers as well

HeadiEddie22:30:02 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

And when we do colonize Isle of Mona, no cells, I guess I will be a bootstrap dictatorship of one until i am satisfied with the results of eos cultural deprogramming and reeducation on science.

okayplanet | Patreos22:30:37 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

lukapercic

tesla wanted to fry all people brains with his towers as well

Tesla was Woz without Steve

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Luka Percic22:31:42 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

okayplanet

Tesla was Woz without Steve

today he would be critisized by conspiracy theorist for trying to grow them a new tumors

okayplanet | Patreos22:31:59 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Yeah, I would probably protest him.

nsjames | Scatter22:32:07 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

😂

HeadiEddie22:32:24 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Isle de base layer science in pursuit of what is conducive to life.

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nsjames | Scatter22:32:48 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I think it's probably a good thing internet has only existed such a short period of time :)

Luka Percic22:32:55 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

lukapercic

very open mind

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EncryptedBay

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Can you deliver to my seastead 13 miles off the coast of Thailand?

Luka Percic22:34:55 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

the post is unocupied now

Luka Percic22:35:01 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

you can squat there

Encrypted Bay22:37:13 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

okayplanet

Can you deliver to my seastead 13 miles off the coast of Thailand?

I will check fedex

John Williamson 🇦🇺22:38:17 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I am coming to believe that religion has a place and may be necessary for a moral society

Have more faith! Surely we can turn towards philosophy rather than imaginary friends. There's gotta be a way..

wilfra | marketcap.one22:38:26 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

EncryptedBay

I will check fedex

i thought you said free delivery anywhere in the world. what you gotta check fedex for.

Encrypted Bay22:38:56 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

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Luka Percic22:39:11 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

https://youtu.be/uWd6XgBVIcg

Encrypted Bay22:39:19 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Or other company

wilfra | marketcap.one22:39:39 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i'm sure you can hire some fisherman in phuket to go to the seastead

Oscar Goullet | anox.io22:41:24 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Yeah phuket

Tequila22:41:39 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

What if I told you that I’m a government official?

Clay Tom22:42:18 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Id suggest a better job.

Clay Tom22:42:22 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

something more fun.

okayplanet | Patreos22:42:24 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

lukapercic

https://youtu.be/uWd6XgBVIcg

👌

Clay Tom22:42:58 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Or, Perhaps you could create a "don't turn up the dial on 5G" policy.

Clay Tom22:43:05 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

That would be useful.

Tequila22:43:11 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I feel like crypto would be pretty fun. Except the whole “everything thinks everything is a conspiracy part”

Tequila22:43:49 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Like I would have lost my shit for sure with all the idiots who give dad constant shad for working on different projects in his career

Clay Tom22:43:50 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Conspiracies are every day stuff. Who really cares? Everyone conspires now n then. HAHA

Clay Tom22:44:18 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Crypto, is the digitalization and global control of currency. Nothing unusual in that.

Clay Tom22:44:44 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Nothing has ever been this centralized in the history of the world. Thats why we called it "decentralized!!"

Luka Percic22:44:46 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Clay Tom

Or, Perhaps you could create a "don't turn up the dial on 5G" policy.

or you can stop beeing a conspiracy theorist

Clay Tom22:45:05 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Oh, thats not conspiracy. Its just science.

Clay Tom22:45:25 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

But who cares anyways? 5G is comin and nobody is stopping it.

Clay Tom22:45:45 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Might as well enjoy the connectivity. 😊

Luka Percic22:45:50 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

right, because there is no reaso ntoo

Clay Tom22:46:00 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Exactly.

Clay Tom22:46:05 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

And no way to either.

Luka Percic22:46:20 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

we are getting space internet soon

Clay Tom22:46:36 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

If its coming anyways, get your 5G enabled stuff and enjoy.

Clay Tom22:46:46 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Ya, thats super awesome!

Clay Tom22:47:00 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Next time im in space I'll try it out!!

Clay Tom22:48:00 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Ya, we all gotta work on somethin, at least he's bein productive.

Clay Tom22:48:40 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Grandad worked on atomics, and it all turned out ok ☺️

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simon case (EOSphere) 🇦🇺22:54:54 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I'm convinced the system is designed to discourage development of strong family

simon case (EOSphere) 🇦🇺22:56:41 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I had to assume my kids would learn eventually and I wanted to set an example

❤️

lee smith22:56:59 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

going through a divrose and having your kids, money, and independence and made a slave to your X and then having the courts overturn only part of a "balanced" arbitration...

jesus sounds like me she didnt no about my Crypto :D

Clay Tom22:57:19 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The education is definitely not as good as it could be.

Crypto Pickle22:57:45 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

ICYMI: https://youtu.be/GqLSx5qFaCY

Beebop Haluula23:07:40 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Really enjoyed Dan and others' comments on today's telegram session. Thanks Dan!

simon case (EOSphere) 🇦🇺23:08:17 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

911, Ron Paul, Fed, Churches supporting Government

It my research into how money is created (debt) that started me down the rabbit hole. 911 quickly popped in to add some important context... Next religion and its use of knowledge and power over the millennia to further concentrate wealth an power to their leadership. With those three the veil is lifted.

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simoncase

soon you will realize that government isn’t the solution, it’s the problem.

marf23:10:10 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

tbh i wanna know how 911 related to dans divorce

simon case (EOSphere) 🇦🇺23:10:35 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

DiviDivinci

soon you will realize that government isn’t the solution, it’s the problem.

Lol, ummm.... I think that's largely my point...

Divi Divinci23:11:09 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

was it? you didnt mention it…

Luka Percic23:12:09 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

marf1n

tbh i wanna know how 911 related to dans divorce

stop asking questions or else

Milana Chaverri23:14:53 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Nice market

simon case (EOSphere) 🇦🇺23:16:12 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

The mental capacity to justify "moral behavior" based upon reason is lacking in the vast majority of people. These people need a religion "faith-like" approach

Unfortunately I've also come round to this view. But how to foster this without creating a seat of power...?

HeadiEddie23:18:49 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

No need for religions.

lee smith23:19:22 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

This guy 😂

lee smith23:19:29 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

suck my balls

Taylor Floyd23:21:06 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I think we need more fundamental science that doesn't assume the existing "laws of science" are true

cover up by the metrology department, speed of ligjt has been slowing down for decides

simon case (EOSphere) 🇦🇺23:21:39 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I believe our farming practices and lack of grazing is more to blame than CO2

That and the whole externally powered electric sun travelling through the varying plasma density of space, causing variation in solar output which in turn weakens our magnetosphere and allows cloud producing charged particles into our atmosphere... Or, People 😂

Luka Percic23:21:59 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

lsmitheos

suck my balls

i asked him about his suicide thoughts

simon case (EOSphere) 🇦🇺23:22:51 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

its not the consumption of meet that is the problem, but how it is produced

100%

simon case (EOSphere) 🇦🇺23:24:38 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I don't have the examples at the top of my head.

Anything involving gravity. We can describe it mathematically but we can't explain it.

Taylor Floyd23:25:43 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

in the long term I'm sure we will find that our existing "laws of science" are as silly as flat earth

xylitol and turanose use to only exist in liquid form, crystals spread all over the world until liquid form didn’t exist anymore, chemistry changes

simon case (EOSphere) 🇦🇺23:26:25 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

a supposed black hole

Plasmoid

marf23:26:31 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

really philosophical in here tonight

simon case (EOSphere) 🇦🇺23:29:08 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

DiviDivinci

was it? you didnt mention it…

Money system protected by Gov. 911 and military industrial complex supported by Gov Religion supported and protected by Gov....

A 🇨🇦ツ23:29:42 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Hey, a little off topic but does anyone have MEOS tokens? Were they distributed already? Needed to be claimed?

A 🇨🇦ツ23:29:57 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I have none :(

Tequila23:30:15 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

lsmitheos

This guy 😂

I got that too

simon case (EOSphere) 🇦🇺23:30:32 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

anonymousbloke

Hey, a little off topic but does anyone have MEOS tokens? Were they distributed already? Needed to be claimed?

simon case (EOSphere) 🇦🇺23:30:46 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Meos is pure speculation at this point

A 🇨🇦ツ23:31:27 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

simoncase

Thank you for clarifying. I don’t spend much time on crypto lately and thought I missed a drop or claim. Will keep an eye out. Thank you again!

Tequila23:31:51 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Dogtown and z-boys is a quality documentary

simon case (EOSphere) 🇦🇺23:31:55 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

anonymousbloke

Thank you for clarifying. I don’t spend much time on crypto lately and thought I missed a drop or claim. Will keep an eye out. Thank you again!

👍

simon case (EOSphere) 🇦🇺23:32:05 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

realtequila

Dogtown and z-boys is a quality documentary

Tequila23:32:13 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Take a break from crypto and imagine a life of skateboarding in pools

HeadiEddie23:34:36 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

simoncase

Anything involving gravity. We can describe it mathematically but we can't explain it.

All science is working within the context of a certian amount of uncertianty, and "good enough" for local purposes.

bhikkhu23:41:05 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Randomnobody

Wha'd you think about that "Planting 1 trillion trees" solution?

If this community could ever pull this off, I would be so proud to being part of it. I'll start today..

bhikkhu23:46:20 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

i think certain people in power are pushing an agenda to make us think this

Please inform yourself, desert is growing rapidly! And actually the idea of planting a trillion trees is the only solution that I know of that is working to stop desert. There are documentaries about a green belt initiative in Africa. Doesn't work if not all the countries are doing their job...

Channel_Bot23:47:25 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

https://twitter.com/HelloTelos/status/1119382270580707328

mar235823:56:38 - 19 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

infact, some engineering efforts rely on things that science cannot explain

any paradox will do: takes 2 lines to make a point, takes 2 points to make a line, science/engineers use points and lines to prove things lol

Tequila00:00:53 - 20 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Wonder how many high end UI/UX designers b1 employs?

Tequila00:01:24 - 20 Apr 2019 [UTC]

They have an opportunity to deliver a user experience that is leaps and bounds ahead of the rest of the crypto market

ian00:02:41 - 20 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

science, the pursuit of truth is good.... science claiming truth has been found is bad

known as scientism

EOS Apologist00:12:30 - 20 Apr 2019 [UTC]

https://youtu.be/HYUgLBR8AJo

Ernie D.00:23:18 - 20 Apr 2019 [UTC]

daniellarimer

When you have nothing left to lose... you go all in on crypto 😉

Go all in before divorce lol

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