Monday, 29 April 2019

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Rob | Cypherglass | Everything EOS | EOSnameservice.io17:28:27 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
lukapercic
This will likely be the outcome 👍
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Jack (of 💞)17:32:27 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
finchify
This will likely be the outcome 👍
Perhaps, but it is no longer up to the token holders is it?
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Gandalf17:32:45 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
which ones
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Gandalf17:33:04 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
the very large ones or
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Rob | Cypherglass | Everything EOS | EOSnameservice.io17:33:09 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
Perhaps, but it is no longer up to the token holders is it?
The Referendum has 99.9% approval so yes, the token holders are in favor. Now it is up to the BPs to implement it.
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Jack (of 💞)17:36:39 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
finchify
The Referendum has 99.9% approval so yes, the token holders are in favor. Now it is up to the BPs to implement it.
99.9% approval of 2.74% of token holders. 21 BP's made that decision. I would post thier names here but I am restricted from doing so. 21 BP's, including yours, some of whom I respect but will no longer vote for.
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Tanish | EOS | Telos Attic Lab17:38:38 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
shizzl_e
I was all for burning / reducing inflation by the full 4% until i read this... https://blog.greymass.com/eos/@greymass/inflation-centralization-and-dpos It seems max 3% would be better for the network as a whole... maybe 1% could go in to the REX to offset BP rewards...
We do agree with some arguments presented in the post, but it's very difficult for WPS to run without corruption also without base layer arbitration. As Kyles mentioned we would have more centralisation if we try to start WPS (printing press for whales remember?)
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Tanish | EOS | Telos Attic Lab17:38:59 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Still looking forward to follow up by Greymass though.
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Jack (of 💞)17:39:32 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Give the non code writting/reading token holders a simple UI tool to vote with and teach them how to use it, then let's see what 99.9% of them vote for!
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Gandalf17:40:03 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
I vote for buying weed with that
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Jack (of 💞)17:40:37 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
I vote for buying weed with that
And then burning it?
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Gandalf17:41:16 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
exactly
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Gandalf17:41:22 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
lets burn it appropriately
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shizzl.e17:42:25 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
tanishv2
We do agree with some arguments presented in the post, but it's very difficult for WPS to run without corruption also without base layer arbitration. As Kyles mentioned we would have more centralisation if we try to start WPS (printing press for whales remember?)
I agree WPS is not the answer. The question tho, what is? 1% to UBI / REX?
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Jack (of 💞)17:42:52 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
47 thousand + members in this group, I presume hold tokens. How many know how to vote for a proposal?
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Rob | Cypherglass | Everything EOS | EOSnameservice.io17:43:52 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
99.9% approval of 2.74% of token holders. 21 BP's unanimously made that decision. I would post thier names here but I am restricted from doing so. 21 BP's, including yours, some of whom I respect but will no longer vote for.
That’s DPoS - I would rather have a chain that continues to move forward and innovate than one that stalls because of an arbitrary 15% threshold
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Rick Estrada17:44:52 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
but bancor ensures there is always some liquidity... if you want to make a large trade with bancor, dollar cost average many small trades and let the arbs bring in liquidity. It is also possible to create a hybrid orderbook that lays limit orders over bancor
So are you saying it is possible to make Limit Orders with the Bancor algo. The would be a great if someone added that feature
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Daddy17:45:13 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
@DeepFriedWeedLeaf, please, press the button below within the time amount specified, otherwise you will be kicked. Thank you! (60 sec)
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Joe Louis17:45:26 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
99.9% approval of 2.74% of token holders. 21 BP's unanimously made that decision. I would post thier names here but I am restricted from doing so. 21 BP's, including yours, some of whom I respect but will no longer vote for.
I'm like you, but I made sure the BPs that would arrive the MSIG were in position to do so. Otherwise It's have voted in standbys that would approve the MSIG.
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Rob | Cypherglass | Everything EOS | EOSnameservice.io17:46:19 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Joe Louis
I'm like you, but I made sure the BPs that would approve the MSIG were in position to do so. Otherwise I'd have voted in standbys that would approve the MSIG.
It already has 8/15 approvals. Have some patience, it is a big decision.
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Joe Louis17:47:09 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
finchify
It already has 8/15 approvals. Have some patience, it is a big decision.
I was taking about the EUA. Jack has been on about this a while, disregarding DPoS.
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Rob | Cypherglass | Everything EOS | EOSnameservice.io17:47:31 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
The EUA is a great example of DPoS in action. You elect BPs to vote in things on your behalf.
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Rob | Cypherglass | Everything EOS | EOSnameservice.io17:47:43 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
If you don’t like that thing, don’t vote for those BPs.
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Joe Louis17:48:39 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Yes. If we can't agree that vote weight is the consensus mechanism in DPOS, then there's no argument.
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Joe Louis17:49:17 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
I think Jack is wishing there was a different degree of decorum for how the consensus mechanism worked.
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Joe Louis17:49:28 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
But those decorums are not enforceable.
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be ba17:50:37 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
I wonder what 100 million would buy in Worker Proposal System for EOS. Telos seems to show EOS it would be useful.
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Jack (of 💞)17:50:43 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
finchify
That’s DPoS - I would rather have a chain that continues to move forward and innovate than one that stalls because of an arbitrary 15% threshold
That is apparent in your vote. I would rather have a chain that respects the power granted to the token holders even if it means we need to take the time to create the tools and teach them how to exercise those powers before we move on. This short cut is not going to get us there faster, if at all.
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Kyle - Vibes | privEOS17:51:53 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
finchify
Many BPs are polling their communities / thinking more about this. This is a huge decision that we should not rush into.
There’s certainly no rush, this has been debated on so many EOS Telegram channels for months!
KV
Kyle - Vibes | privEOS17:52:06 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
It’s time to put it to the vote.
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wilfra | marketcap.one17:52:48 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
Give the non code writing/reading token holders a simple UI tool to vote with and teach them how to use it, then let's see what 99.9% of them vote for!
We’re working on a BP voting tool. Could probably add that. You’re referring to voting on proposals right? Any non-EOS examples you like that make it easy?
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Joe Louis17:52:50 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
That is apparent in your vote. I would rather have a chain that respects the power granted to the token holders even if it means we need to take the time to create the tools and teach them how to exercise those powers before we move on. This short cut is not going to get us there faster, if at all.
Number of votes = amount of power in PoS/DPoS. It's why proxies are critical for individual small voters to turn their votes into something meaningful through coordination.
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Daniel Larimer17:52:50 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
DPOS means producers decide... token holders decide producers
KV
Kyle - Vibes | privEOS17:53:00 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
lukapercic
we had a year to think about it, at this point its mainly stalling
+1
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Rob | Cypherglass | Everything EOS | EOSnameservice.io17:53:11 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
DPOS means producers decide... token holders decide producers
+1
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Joe Louis17:53:29 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
DPOS means producers decide... token holders decide producers
👆
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Daniel Larimer17:53:38 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
if producers decide poorly collectively then token holders can fork.... not pretty but it is an option
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Katie Roman17:53:57 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
if producers decide poorly collectively then token holders can fork.... not pretty but it is an option
👍🏾
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Jack (of 💞)17:53:58 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
wilframarketcap
We’re working on a BP voting tool. Could probably add that. You’re referring to voting on proposals right? Any non-EOS examples you like that make it easy?
I think bloks.io tool is straight forward.
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Joe Louis17:53:58 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Or coordinate and change the producers.
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wilfra | marketcap.one17:54:33 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
if producers decide poorly collectively then token holders can fork.... not pretty but it is an option
flytomars and cochainworld are still BP’s so it seems things aren’t working according to plan.
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Joe Louis17:55:00 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Speculation, hearsay, and conspiracy.
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Ashe Oro - EOS Radio17:55:03 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
finchify
+1
+2
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Ashe Oro - EOS Radio17:55:36 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
took ppl a bit to figure this out, but we're well on our way now.
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Jack (of 💞)17:55:50 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
DPOS means producers decide... token holders decide producers
Then why even infer that the token holders need to reach consensus by 15% voting in the first place?
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Joe Louis17:56:08 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
Then why even infer that the token holders need to reach consensus by 15% voting in the first place?
Damn for people that made that decision admitted perhaps that it was wrong
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Mário Silva17:56:25 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
Then why even infer that the token holders need to reach consensus by 15% voting in the first place?
failed experiment perhaps
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Kyle - Vibes | privEOS17:57:01 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
DPOS means producers decide... token holders decide producers
...and if token holders don’t like the way the producers vote they need to vote them out
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Luka Percic17:57:02 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
if producers decide poorly collectively then token holders can fork.... not pretty but it is an option
there is some wiggle room in persuasion department
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R8 - everything is an altcoin17:57:21 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
wilframarketcap
flytomars and cochainworld are still BP’s so it seems things aren’t working according to plan.
Bitfinex is #9 right now. I guess it's good they have EOS block rewards to help pay for their legal defense...
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Katie Roman17:58:27 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Mmcs85
failed experiment perhaps
Yes the distribution was not great. Pretty consolidated
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Joe Louis17:58:34 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Bitfinex has moved past every accusation and troublesome time in the past and continue to thrive. Careful taking the clickbait from gotcha journalism
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wilfra | marketcap.one17:59:08 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Scuderia2
Bitfinex is #9 right now. I guess it's good they have EOS block rewards to help pay for their legal defense...
They are building eosfinex. And are active, if slow, voters. I’m sure there are better BP’s but there are a lot worse right now. Some just blatantly pocketing rewards and being voted in by whales, doing nothing.
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R8 - everything is an altcoin17:59:22 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Joe Louis
Bitfinex has moved past every accusation and troublesome time in the past and continue to thrive. Careful taking the clickbait from gotcha journalism
I agree they are very resilient. But legal action from the state of NY isn't a small deal...
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R8 - everything is an altcoin17:59:40 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
wilframarketcap
They are building eosfinex. And are active, if slow, voters. I’m sure there are better BP’s but there are a lot worse right now. Some just blatantly pocketing rewards and being voted in by whales, doing nothing.
Yes I like them. I hope they survive.
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PaulyC18:05:08 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
wilframarketcap
flytomars and cochainworld are still BP’s so it seems things aren’t working according to plan.
what's wrong with these folks again?
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wilfra | marketcap.one18:05:40 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
paulyc
what's wrong with these folks again?
they seem to do nothing but collect rewards.
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R8 - everything is an altcoin18:06:55 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
wilframarketcap
they seem to do nothing but collect rewards.
Are they the same ones that were consistently the worst performers during the CPU peak? Heard they were bogging the network down.
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wilfra | marketcap.one18:07:07 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
maybe they are very active on Asian communities? I couldn’t even find Twitter accounts for them
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Jack (of 💞)18:07:57 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Those who govern will always do what is best for themselves first, those they govern last. Without balances, this power grows. Even if the token holders only power is to vote out bad BP's, BP's power to keep themselves in power grows disproportionately to token holders power to remove them.
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M L18:08:03 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
if producers decide poorly collectively then token holders can fork.... not pretty but it is an option
Will the June announcement affect mainnet?
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M L18:08:28 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Or will it just be related to “EOSio”?
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R8 - everything is an altcoin18:08:50 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
Those who govern will always do what is best for themselves first, those they govern last. Without balances, this power grows. Even if the token holders only power is to vote out bad BP's, BP's power to keep themselves in power grows disproportionately to token holders power to remove them.
Why disproportionately?
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M L18:10:19 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
Those who govern will always do what is best for themselves first, those they govern last. Without balances, this power grows. Even if the token holders only power is to vote out bad BP's, BP's power to keep themselves in power grows disproportionately to token holders power to remove them.
The most well-governed societies seem to prosper the most over time
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Jack (of 💞)18:11:21 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Scuderia2
Why disproportionately?
They gain by the inflation, the power to decide direction, and any honey pots they milk. All of which increases thier voting power. Token holders gain by? Buying more tokens? REX rewards? BP's are paid to have thier time spent in monitoring and managing the network, token hears have to keep up and catch up in thier spare time, after working to pay to be alive.
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M L18:11:24 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
I don’t think you can point to an advanced civilization in the history of world affairs that didn’t have significant centralized governance
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M L18:12:03 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
They gain by the inflation, the power to decide direction, and any honey pots they milk. All of which increases thier voting power. Token holders gain by? Buying more tokens? REX rewards? BP's are paid to have thier time spent in monitoring and managing the network, token holders have to keep up and catch up in thier spare time, after working to pay to be alive.
BPs also need to sell token to pay for infrastructure
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pbsteen18:12:14 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
ColinTalksCrypto
Why are we having a tough time getting rid of the 4% annual inflation on EOS?
If the BPs are thinking like this - it’s short sighted. Less inflation in the long term will result in a higher token price which they will benefit from
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R8 - everything is an altcoin18:12:41 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
They gain by the inflation, the power to decide direction, and any honey pots they milk. All of which increases thier voting power. Token holders gain by? Buying more tokens? REX rewards? BP's are paid to have thier time spent in monitoring and managing the network, token holders have to keep up and catch up in thier spare time, after working to pay to be alive.
I see what you mean. But that assumes they can afford to keep all of their block rewards. As M L just said they also have to pay the bills.
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Jack (of 💞)18:12:57 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
RDNtrader
BPs also need to sell token to pay for infrastructure
Of course, this does not negate the advantage
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Cosmos18:13:28 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
RomanCryptoLions
Historically, secession, or threat thereof, seems a more potent restorer of balance than term limits.
Secession seems to balance concentration of power by “decentrating” it. Seems analogous to side chains. “decentrating” value from the main chain.
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R8 - everything is an altcoin18:13:35 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Does anyone have some good resources to read up on the differences of a dapp platform being DPoS vs PoS? I've been trying to find good info but it's not easy.
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Jack (of 💞)18:13:42 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Which party has more knowledge of how things work and more control to direct it?
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M L18:14:12 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
Which party has more knowledge of how things work and more control to direct it?
Token holders have ultimate control
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M L18:14:33 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
They give the network value. Without that value the BPs are bankrupt
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wilfra | marketcap.one18:14:35 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
RDNtrader
I don’t think you can point to an advanced civilization in the history of world affairs that didn’t have significant centralized governance
True but there are many examples of them loosening their grip leading to flourishing economies. That’s what’s happening in China.
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M L18:15:00 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Yes, more effective government is often less government
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Jack (of 💞)18:15:09 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
RDNtrader
Token holders have ultimate control
Only when informed and united in action, both of which are difficult for the everyday token holder
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M L18:16:08 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
Only when informed and united in action, both of which are difficult for the everyday token holder
When they’re dumping tokens, crypto holders are often very United, lol
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M L18:16:27 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
That’s the only vote that really matters
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M L18:18:55 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Ideally, dApps would be the entity that gains significant power in the coming years
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Gandalf18:19:08 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
RDNtrader
Will the June announcement affect mainnet?
probably not
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M L18:19:44 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
They would need the resources and would earn more tokens via profitable enterprise
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PaulyC18:19:50 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
I think there will be a use-case or two being deployed on mainnet
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Jack (of 💞)18:20:31 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
@daniellarimer it is less then honorable to present a network & accompanying token, to people who do not read or write code, in a way that says each token has equal voting power and that 15% is required to reorder any change by those who run the network, then to remove that requirement based on it "being irrelevant" as written in the code. You can't have it both ways. I was not honestly informed on what I was investing in if the latter is true.
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M L18:20:34 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
I think you can see newdex now becoming a bp as a good sign for the future
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M L18:21:03 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Hopefully we’ll get dominant players in the dapp space taking up the reigns as BPs
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R8 - everything is an altcoin18:21:14 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
RDNtrader
I think you can see newdex now becoming a bp as a good sign for the future
That depends on your opinion on Newdex 🙂
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Gandalf18:21:14 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
paulyc
I think there will be a use-case or two being deployed on mainnet :)
you think too much
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Gandalf18:21:19 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
we know you know things
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Gandalf18:21:26 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
good for you
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Gandalf18:21:27 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
:)
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M L18:21:33 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Scuderia2
That depends on your opinion on Newdex 🙂
I think newdex is fantastic
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Colin Talks Crypto18:21:34 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
shizzl_e
I was all for burning / reducing inflation by the full 4% until i read this... https://blog.greymass.com/eos/@greymass/inflation-centralization-and-dpos It seems max 3% would be better for the network as a whole... maybe 1% could go in to the REX to offset BP rewards...
It’s a very long article. I read about half. What is the reason 3% burned is better than the entire 4%? Could you give me a TL;DR answer to that?
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Frank Furter18:21:57 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
if producers decide poorly collectively then token holders can fork.... not pretty but it is an option
Will B1 create fork to remove these leaches?
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Jack (of 💞)18:22:17 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Admin, why am I restricted from using the "at" symbol?
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M L18:22:19 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Don’t wanna spill any beans. Forget that last comment, lol
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Gandalf18:24:16 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
🤦🏻‍♂️
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shizzl.e18:28:16 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
ColinTalksCrypto
It’s a very long article. I read about half. What is the reason 3% burned is better than the entire 4%? Could you give me a TL;DR answer to that?
The concept is that if BP’s are being rewarded in EOS by 1% then over time they would accumulate a larger stake in the system and those in power would then control the voting power. To offset that you need at least the equivalent 1% distributed to non BP’s (maybe via the REX or a UBI) to keep voting power equal. So we need to retain 1% and reduce by a maximum of 3%...
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Gandalf18:29:42 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
lol it makes no sense at all
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The Third 🇬🇧18:29:50 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
shizzl_e
The concept is that if BP’s are being rewarded in EOS by 1% then over time they would accumulate a larger stake in the system and those in power would then control the voting power. To offset that you need at least the equivalent 1% distributed to non BP’s (maybe via the REX or a UBI) to keep voting power equal. So we need to retain 1% and reduce by a maximum of 3%...
👍
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pbsteen18:30:05 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
shizzl_e
The concept is that if BP’s are being rewarded in EOS by 1% then over time they would accumulate a larger stake in the system and those in power would then control the voting power. To offset that you need at least the equivalent 1% distributed to non BP’s (maybe via the REX or a UBI) to keep voting power equal. So we need to retain 1% and reduce by a maximum of 3%...
1% to token holders who vote makes sense to me
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pbsteen18:30:47 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Participation in voting should be rewarded
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pbsteen18:31:47 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Rex is a start, but an additional 1% would result in more voting
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shizzl.e18:31:53 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
paulsteen81
1% to token holders who vote makes sense to me
It would to me too...
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Colin Talks Crypto18:37:30 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
paulsteen81
If the BPs are thinking like this - it’s short sighted. Less inflation in the long term will result in a higher token price which they will benefit from
Exactly. I think they are being short-sighted currently.
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Tequila18:38:32 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
What’s wrong with you fools. Why you not pumpkin’ eos
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Tequila18:38:49 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Like what else could the eos community do here. Non stop good news every day
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Gandalf18:38:50 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
ColinTalksCrypto
Exactly. I think they are being short-sighted currently.
BPs are the ones that know everything inside and outside EOS. dont be naive
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Tequila18:40:03 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
The eos BPs have to spend the eos they earn to run their operation
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Jack (of 💞)18:40:38 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
shizzl_e
The concept is that if BP’s are being rewarded in EOS by 1% then over time they would accumulate a larger stake in the system and those in power would then control the voting power. To offset that you need at least the equivalent 1% distributed to non BP’s (maybe via the REX or a UBI) to keep voting power equal. So we need to retain 1% and reduce by a maximum of 3%...
This 👆
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Gandalf18:41:13 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
yea lets allocate 1% to staking so that large holders wont dump on us plebs
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Gandalf18:41:28 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
lets make a big banking system so that we can kill the banking system
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Ernie D.18:41:31 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
samm7930
any link to a summary or some rumors for june B1 event ? I heard Apple card and goldman sachs card. Thx
Forget about it. You have no reason to believe rumours. Those who started rumours want more attention or views on YouTube
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Ernie D.18:41:38 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
😎
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PaulyC18:42:27 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
couldn't BPs gain 1%+1% then? If not, doesn't it also reduce their incentive to produce?
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Samuelman18:43:01 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Dickystar
Forget about it. You have no reason to believe rumours. Those who started rumours want more attention or views on YouTube
yes
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Frank Furter18:43:13 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
paulsteen81
If the BPs are thinking like this - it’s short sighted. Less inflation in the long term will result in a higher token price which they will benefit from
And a lot those producers do nothing for the community.
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shizzl.e18:44:24 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
realtequila
The eos BPs have to spend the eos they earn to run their operation
While the price is low. Yes. This looks far in to the future potentially
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shizzl.e18:45:59 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
For the good of the networks future
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Cosmos18:46:00 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
shizzl_e
I was all for burning / reducing inflation by the full 4% until i read this... https://blog.greymass.com/eos/@greymass/inflation-centralization-and-dpos It seems max 3% would be better for the network as a whole... maybe 1% could go in to the REX to offset BP rewards...
I am highly encouraged reading this article. I arrived at similar thinking from a much different path. Leads me to believe we are closing in on a fundamental understanding.
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Gandalf18:49:47 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
why do socialists always want to increase costs without a reasonable argument
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marf18:50:26 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
i’ll bite, what are those darn socialists up to now?
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Gandalf18:50:52 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
it is a plague, we need some vaccines
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Nomotoken18:51:17 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
why do socialists always want to increase costs without a reasonable argument
Why do capitalists always want to print money and make poor people slave their asses off to give that money value?
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Gandalf18:51:50 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
printing money == increasing costs
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Frank Furter18:53:31 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Maybe we just need to refrain from systemwide votes until a better system for voting is in place? Current system does not stop me from voting, but apparently the other 95% holders must find something difficult or unsafe about it.
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Gandalf18:54:07 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
voting is an illusion
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Katie Roman18:54:15 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Frank Furter
Maybe we just need to refrain from systemwide votes until a better system for voting is in place? Current system does not stop me from voting, but apparently the other 95% holders must find something difficult or unsafe about it.
Or they don’t care and just hold eos for the “pump” or can’t remove their tokens from the exchange
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Nomotoken18:54:20 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Cosmos
I am highly encouraged reading this article. I arrived at similar thinking from a much different path. Leads me to believe we are closing in on a fundamental understanding.
👍
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Jack (of 💞)18:54:37 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
voting is an illusion
Only if You don't vote and hold those in power accountable
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Gandalf18:54:55 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
i vote with 0.000001% of supply
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Gandalf18:55:04 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
whereas top 10 accounts hold what? 51%?
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Gandalf18:55:09 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
it is meaningless
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Gandalf18:55:21 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
why you all still want large holders to vote?
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Nomotoken18:55:33 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
summerskin
Or they don’t care and just hold eos for the “pump” or can’t remove their tokens from the exchange
You just might be on the right track there.... I do have my suspicions..
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Gandalf18:56:07 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
all voting that matters is 15/21 as dan himself said
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Nomotoken18:56:27 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
why you all still want large holders to vote?
Because that is how it also is in our democracies..
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Jack (of 💞)18:56:40 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Block One is 10% of that and they don't vote. The other 41% abstain mostly unless it benefits them, that leaves the rest of us able to dictate. . .until they scam away our right to do so.
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Gandalf18:56:56 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
right?
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Nomotoken18:57:09 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
Block One is 10% of that and they don't vote. The other 41% abstain mostly unless it benefits them, that leaves the rest of us able to dictate. . .until they scam away our right to do so.
Lol...
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Daniel Larimer18:57:43 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
if you assume B1 is abstain then you reach threshold with 5%
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Jack (of 💞)18:57:53 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
all voting that matters is 15/21 as dan himself said
You are not required to believe everything Dan says is the gospel
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Gandalf18:58:15 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
You are not required to believe everything Dan says is the gospel
it is a protocol level consensus to reach finality. its math. and he invented it
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Jack (of 💞)18:58:51 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
if you assume B1 is abstain then you reach threshold with 5%
I didn't say Block One doesn't have an obligation to vote!
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wilfra | marketcap.one18:58:57 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
if you assume B1 is abstain then you reach threshold with 5%
oh snap, June 1 B1 will announce they will start voting.
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Gandalf18:59:06 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
burn the savings. dont allocate inflation to rex
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Gandalf18:59:20 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
otherwise we are mere simulating the banking industry
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Nomotoken18:59:26 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
You are not required to believe everything Dan says is the gospel
Actually, he is right.. 10% + 5% makes 15%. We only need 5% to vote plus B1..😁
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wilfra | marketcap.one18:59:43 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
You are not required to believe everything Dan says is the gospel
so i can vax my kids?
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Gandalf19:00:04 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
cost for security is 1%... anything more is because someone is greedy
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Katie Roman19:00:07 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Nomotoken
You just might be on the right track there.... I do have my suspicions..
I have eos I can’t remove. It’s not a suspicion it’s what’s happening and has been happening for a while
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Cuba Coin19:00:32 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Dose block.one going stake for REX too ??
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Jack (of 💞)19:00:33 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Nomotoken
Actually, he is right.. 10% + 5% makes 15%. We only need 5% to vote plus B1..😁
I am all about this happening, have been since launch. When does the magic day arrive? When we reach the 5%?
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Nomotoken19:01:15 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
summerskin
I have eos I can’t remove. It’s not a suspicion it’s what’s happening and has been happening for a while
"I cannot remove.." in what respect if I may be so bold as to ask?
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Jack (of 💞)19:01:37 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
wilframarketcap
so i can vax my kids?
I understand why people respect great minds, but I will never understand why they worship them.
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Katie Roman19:02:10 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Nomotoken
"I cannot remove.." in what respect if I may be so bold as to ask?
As in, I cannot withdraw some of my eos from an exchange because I’m in the US even though that wasn’t a requirement before I put eos there it came months after.
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Katie Roman19:02:32 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Other exchanges make you put up fiat to withdraw
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Katie Roman19:02:43 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Again don’t tell you that till after the fact
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Katie Roman19:02:58 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Whatever I will never use those exchanges again
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Hustle Crypto19:03:22 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
wilframarketcap
so i can vax my kids?
please do
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Katie Roman19:03:22 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
They won’t release my eos I’m not going to give them 10k usd to release them
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Jack (of 💞)19:03:37 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
summerskin
Whatever I will never use those exchanges again
Trade them for something you can withdraw
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Katie Roman19:03:57 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
Trade them for something you can withdraw
Can’t not allowed, US resident
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Katie Roman19:04:07 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
In that particular exchange example
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Nomotoken19:04:17 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
summerskin
As in, I cannot withdraw some of my eos from an exchange because I’m in the US even though that wasn’t a requirement before I put eos there it came months after.
Ah, the SEC.. (the Society of Evil Corruption) extending its tentacles into people's pockets...
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(=^▽^=).19:04:30 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
summerskin
Can’t not allowed, US resident
That's really bad
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Katie Roman19:04:48 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Nomotoken
Ah, the SEC.. (the Society of Evil Corruption) extending its tentacles into people's pockets...
That or it’s a convenient excuse to keep a honey pot of eos tokens to vote with
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(=^▽^=).19:05:25 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Nomotoken
Ah, the SEC.. (the Society of Evil Corruption) extending its tentacles into people's pockets...
So consider de-centralized anonymous tokens
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Jack (of 💞)19:05:41 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
summerskin
That or it’s a convenient excuse to keep a honey pot of eos tokens to vote with
Ah bitfinex perhaps?
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Katie Roman19:06:12 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
Ah bitfinex perhaps?
😶
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Nomotoken19:09:18 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
summerskin
In that particular exchange example
Must be a US based exchange then.. I recall an evil exchange which some friggery did with a token called BTS fir a long time. Hope it is not that one, as I think that it has been purchased by a major (if not the biggest) investment (read agent if plunder) bank in US.
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Katie Roman19:10:34 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Nomotoken
Must be a US based exchange then.. I recall an evil exchange which some friggery did with a token called BTS for a long time. Hope it is not that one, as I think that it has been purchased by a major (if not the biggest) investment (read agent if plunder) bank in US.
Scary stuff, but more solutions are coming to the market and for that I’m grateful
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Nomotoken19:11:33 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
summerskin
Scary stuff, but more solutions are coming to the market and for that I’m grateful
Trust and hope that you manage to extricate your property from the clutches of Goldilocks.
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shizzl.e19:13:44 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Cosmos
I am highly encouraged reading this article. I arrived at similar thinking from a much different path. Leads me to believe we are closing in on a fundamental understanding.
It would be a huge success if BP’s and token holders could agree on the best solution... especially given the circumstances...
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Frank Furter19:13:55 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Laughable to think Apple or FB would touch this mainnet.
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Cosmos19:15:09 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Frank Furter
Laughable to think Apple or FB would touch this mainnet.
Shameless sister chain add! Please avoid. 😉
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Raman Bindlish - IWAD | Blockstart.one19:15:10 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
if you assume B1 is abstain then you reach threshold with 5%
With EUA in place replacing interim constitution, there is no 15% threshold anymore.
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Nomotoken19:17:19 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Frank Furter
Laughable to think Apple or FB would touch this mainnet.
Why not they do their stuff and others do their own..
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shayeos 🐝☝️19:17:36 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Frank Furter
Laughable to think Apple or FB would touch this mainnet.
Careful you not the one being laughed at in the end !
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Frank Furter19:18:36 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
SHAYEOS
Careful you not the one being laughed at in the end !
I’m not planning on selling, so hope to win either way.
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shayeos 🐝☝️19:19:36 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Frank Furter
I’m not planning on selling, so hope to win either way.
I really do believe we into something big here, at the same time we need to have some patience. But I admire you answer
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Tanish | EOS | Telos Attic Lab19:19:56 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
shizzl_e
I agree WPS is not the answer. The question tho, what is? 1% to UBI / REX?
UBI needs a unique identity to work. We are far away from this; even Dan suggested it would be a time taking process.
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Cosmos19:20:58 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
shizzl_e
It would be a huge success if BP’s and token holders could agree on the best solution... especially given the circumstances...
Agreed.
AO
Ashe Oro - EOS Radio19:21:01 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
wilframarketcap
oh snap, June 1 B1 will announce they will start voting.
Doubtful
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shizzl.e19:23:06 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
tanishv2
UBI needs a unique identity to work. We are far away from this; even Dan suggested it would be a time taking process.
Maybe yeah... i think the multi year thing was to perfection but hopefully we get the first iteration of it in June 🤞
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shizzl.e19:24:29 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Ashe_Oro
Doubtful
I watched when you had the guy from greymass on, it was a great episode... you got any thoughts on it?
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Tanish | EOS | Telos Attic Lab19:25:24 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
shizzl_e
Maybe yeah... i think the multi year thing was to perfection but hopefully we get the first iteration of it in June 🤞
Hopefully. 👍 We will have solutions with time. Brendan suggested URI will work on dApp layer, so we are looking forward to the implementation. For now, better to focus on deleting the inflation and working on dApp layer solution like WPS DAC etc.
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Ashe Oro - EOS Radio19:25:49 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
shizzl_e
I watched when you had the guy from greymass on, it was a great episode... you got any thoughts on it?
On inflation in particular or the need for additional inflation to prevent a BP take over?
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Jack (of 💞)19:25:55 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
ramanbindlish
With EUA in place replacing interim constitution, there is no 15% threshold anymore.
Exactly, and you of all people should be outraged at how that change was made. You the voice of million + token holders who were stripped of their power of say by 21 BP's
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Songminer19:25:59 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
mythabby1
If EOS could reach $8, I would not hesitate to sell it
And I wouldn’t hesitate to buy it.
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shizzl.e19:26:09 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Ashe_Oro
On inflation in particular or the need for additional inflation to prevent a BP take over?
The latter...
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Brandsbye19:26:16 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Frank Furter
Laughable to think Apple or FB would touch this mainnet.
At least Nike!
AO
Ashe Oro - EOS Radio19:26:29 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
Exactly, and you of all people should be outraged at how that change was made. You the voice of million + token holders who were stripped of their power of say by 21 BP's
BPs always had the power of multisig
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Ashe Oro - EOS Radio19:26:50 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Too many ppl were convinced otherwise bc of the initial constitution and ecaf no sense.
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Jack (of 💞)19:29:32 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Ashe_Oro
Too many ppl were convinced otherwise bc of the initial constitution and ecaf no sense.
So then we are saying that the interim constitution, everyone had to agree to to be a token holder was bogus from the start? You don't get to have it both ways. People were presented with a false image, while the real truth was buried in the code. So those with knowledge and control of the code, just removed the power of those without. Lame argument for EUA
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Jack (of 💞)19:30:48 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Further to recoup the lost power, the 21 BP's that took it need to approve the reversal or be removed from position.
AO
Ashe Oro - EOS Radio19:32:35 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
So then we are saying that the interim constitution, everyone had to agree to in order to be a token holder was bogus from the start? You don't get to have it both ways. People were presented with a false image, while the real truth was buried in the code. So those with knowledge and control of the code, just removed the power of those without. Lame argument for EUA
That's right. It was an iterative, ineffective way to reach consensus.
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Jack (of 💞)19:33:15 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
But in reality it was not as you claim, the BP's had power of multi Sig to change things only after 15% threshold of voters approved it first, we keep conveniently leaving that part out.
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Gandalf19:33:29 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
So then we are saying that the interim constitution, everyone had to agree to in order to be a token holder was bogus from the start? You don't get to have it both ways. People were presented with a false image, while the real truth was buried in the code. So those with knowledge and control of the code, just removed the power of those without. Lame argument for EUA
no one had to agree
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Ashe Oro - EOS Radio19:33:30 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
But in reality it was not as you claim, the BP's had power of multi Sig to change things only after 15% threshold of voters approved it first, we keep conveniently leaving that part out.
That's the lie u were sold.
AO
Ashe Oro - EOS Radio19:33:41 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
It was never that way.
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Gandalf19:33:50 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
in fact that interim constitution was simply useless
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Jack (of 💞)19:34:00 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Ashe_Oro
That's the lie u were sold.
Exactly that is the lie all of us were sold, while the truth lay hidden in the code
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Gandalf19:34:01 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
we would need to censor all closed source dapps for instance
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Gandalf19:34:05 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
BS
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Ashe Oro - EOS Radio19:34:29 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
Exactly that is the lie all of us were sold, while the truth lay hidden in the code
I never believed the lie. I knew how DPoS works.
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shizzl.e19:34:33 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
So then we are saying that the interim constitution, everyone had to agree to in order to be a token holder was bogus from the start? You don't get to have it both ways. People were presented with a false image, while the real truth was buried in the code. So those with knowledge and control of the code, just removed the power of those without. Lame argument for EUA
I understand what you’re saying Jack but the vote is passed. Anyone involved has only acted in the best interest of the chain... the EUA is striped back and basic for that reason. It can be added to or amended moving forward which is the intention as far as I understand...
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Jack (of 💞)19:35:02 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
we would need to censor all closed source dapps for instance
Pointing out all the flaws in the interim constitution, does not equal justification for bypassing the means to alter it.
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos19:35:06 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
Exactly that is the lie all of us were sold, while the truth lay hidden in the code
What lie are you talking about?
AO
Ashe Oro - EOS Radio19:35:12 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
shizzl_e
I understand what you’re saying Jack but the vote is passed. Anyone involved has only acted in the best interest of the chain... the EUA is striped back and basic for that reason. It can be added to or amended moving forward which is the intention as far as I understand...
Yep, we've moved past it now. We reach consensus as designed now.
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Jack (of 💞)19:35:29 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Aneta_EOS
What lie are you talking about?
That your vote was needed or desired.
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Ashe Oro - EOS Radio19:35:40 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
It's needed to elect the BPs
AO
Ashe Oro - EOS Radio19:35:43 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Who make the changes
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Jack (of 💞)19:35:57 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Ashe_Oro
Yep, we've moved past it now. We reach consensus as designed now.
You have moved past it, and hope the rest of us do as well.
AO
Ashe Oro - EOS Radio19:36:00 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
That's where it vote counts. Everything else is a suggestion to BPs
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos19:36:39 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
That your vote was needed or desired.
Oh! Put it this way sounds horrible
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Jack (of 💞)19:36:52 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
In the non blockchain world this move would set up 21 for a class action lawsuit
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Katie Roman19:36:58 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
shizzl_e
I understand what you’re saying Jack but the vote is passed. Anyone involved has only acted in the best interest of the chain... the EUA is striped back and basic for that reason. It can be added to or amended moving forward which is the intention as far as I understand...
And there are plenty of other chains emerging to compete if the mainnet is not your bag. Sell eos buy into another chain. Or hold both. I think it’s good the different chains are differentiated by things like governance. Eos is now more aligned with a classic DPOS chain, light on governance
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Ashe Oro - EOS Radio19:37:15 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
You have moved past it, and hope the rest of us do as well.
No. We has the EOS mainnet have moved past it. You are always welcome to draft a new Constitution and gain community support to put pressure on BPs to act.
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Jack (of 💞)19:37:18 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Aneta_EOS
Oh! Put it this way sounds horrible
Right this is why we are all being careful not to word it this way
AO
Ashe Oro - EOS Radio19:37:38 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
In the non blockchain world this move would set up 21 for a class action lawsuit
Oh gawd. That's my cue to exit.
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Jack (of 💞)19:37:51 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Ashe_Oro
No. We has the EOS mainnet have moved past it. You are always welcome to draft a new Constitution and gain community support to put pressure on BPs to act.
Right but under the new usurped power it would merely be a suggestion
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Gandalf19:38:56 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Ashe_Oro
Oh gawd. That's my cue to exit.
+1
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Gandalf19:39:02 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
this is crypto bro
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Gandalf19:39:13 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
lies make millions
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shizzl.e19:39:25 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
+1
+2
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Hustle Crypto19:39:31 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
Right but under the new usurped power it would merely be a suggestion
tests
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos19:40:39 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Who banned @jack_hearts ?
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Hustle Crypto19:41:08 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Aneta_EOS
Who banned @jack_hearts ?
it looks like hes still in the room, perhaps someone muted him?
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos19:41:21 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Who and why?
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos19:41:41 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
We silence people now?
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Raman Bindlish - IWAD | Blockstart.one19:41:57 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
Exactly, and you of all people should be outraged at how that change was made. You the voice of million + token holders who were stripped of their power of say by 21 BP's
We voted in favor od EUA. Every token holder had an option to vote against it but nobody exercised the right. Not participating does not give you voice in network.
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Justin | infinitybloc.io | EOS World Expo 201919:42:33 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
If Apple was to integrate EOSio into Apple pay would they integrate EOS? Any EOSio chain or just their own Apple chain?
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Justin | infinitybloc.io | EOS World Expo 201919:43:20 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
History would suggest they would just do their own chain and not make it open
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Mike Alvez19:46:40 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
i’m trying to set up a new BP, do i need to start a node first or set up the bp.jason so thatvuser can vote?
KT
Kevin Quaintance | TelosGlobal.io19:46:48 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Why did Jack get banned?
KJ
Kameron James19:46:50 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
TheAwakenment
There’s certainly no rush, this has been debated on so many EOS Telegram channels for months!
+1
MA
Mike Alvez19:46:52 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
ant help it’s greatly appreciated
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos19:47:59 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
kquainta
Why did Jack get banned?
Seems like someone didn’t like what he said?
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Kevin Quaintance | TelosGlobal.io19:48:36 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
😱😱😱 Scary
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Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io19:49:12 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Invite your friends who don’t have an EOS account to our community event tomorrow night: https://whaleshares.io/@pixeos/join-stella-and-powerpics-get-your-first-eos-account
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Stella 🤡 pixEOS.io 🐋 eoswriter.io19:49:13 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Invite your friends who don’t have an EOS account to our community event tomorrow night: https://whaleshares.io/@pixeos/join-stella-and-powerpics-get-your-first-eos-account
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Frank Furter19:49:14 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
15% or 2.5%, probably does not matter anyway. A cartel, once formed, can do whatever the hell they want. Truthfully, they probably showed some restraint. One of those large BP/token holders could have shifted the votes just as easily as B1 could have.
KJ
Kameron James19:50:02 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
ColinTalksCrypto
Why are we having a tough time getting rid of the 4% annual inflation on EOS?
Thank you for this
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Nomotoken19:50:13 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Infinityblocio
History would suggest they would just do their own chain and not make it open
The reason for picking mainnet is the number of account holder on mainnet. This can, in a way, be viewed as a captive audience already well versed in ins and outs of the Blockchain ecology.. a stepping stone to show mainstreet Joe that many are using... psychology...
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Brandsbye19:53:00 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
lies make millions
And Presidents
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Gandalf19:53:09 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Infinityblocio
If Apple was to integrate EOSio into Apple pay would they integrate EOS? Any EOSio chain or just their own Apple chain?
they're not
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Cosmos19:54:07 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
kquainta
Why did Jack get banned?
This is not how we do things!
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Cosmos19:54:18 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
In ban this guy!
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M L19:55:21 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Cosmos
Un ban this guy!
+1
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Kevin Quaintance | TelosGlobal.io19:55:26 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Is anyone else in this channel upset that a community member got banned without notice or reason?? please speak up.
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M L19:55:37 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Banning people is not good
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M L19:55:48 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Unless they’re trolls or whatever
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Jamie Douglas19:56:05 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Banning him only appear to give credit to what he was saying...
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Gandalf19:56:33 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jamiedough
Banning him only appear to give credit to what he was saying...
big deal
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Gandalf19:56:37 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
it changes nothing
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Gandalf19:56:50 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
run you fools
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Jamie Douglas19:56:59 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
?
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Gandalf19:57:12 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
stop hoping
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Jamie Douglas19:57:14 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Salty much ?
MW
Matt Wick19:57:41 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
All of you only want your bags to pump.
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PaulyC19:57:46 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
which admins are even here lol
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Nero19:58:13 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
kquainta
Is anyone else in this channel upset that a community member got banned without notice or reason?? please speak up.
+1
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M L19:58:27 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Matt Wick
All of you only want your bags to pump.
Of course
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M L19:58:41 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Crypto is a get-rich-quick scheme
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Cosmos19:58:54 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
AFellowAnon
+1
+1
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M L19:59:00 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
It’s like gold mining stocks in the late 1800’s
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John McCoffee - Aloha EOS20:02:25 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
kquainta
Is anyone else in this channel upset that a community member got banned without notice or reason?? please speak up.
probably by a bot
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John McCoffee - Aloha EOS20:02:31 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
im sure it'll get fixed
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Cosmos20:02:39 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Banning someone for expressing a viewpoint is like a petulant child taking their toy home with him. If you are that insecure that you cannot listen to points of conjecture you should not have the power of admin! A lot like what we are talking about today! Absolute power corrupts absolutely
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꧁༼༺₦ł₦J₳༻༽꧂20:03:56 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
anyone here iitian aspirant
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PaulyC20:04:06 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
HoneyBooBoosMom
probably by a bot
yea maybe this because of the frequency of posts
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos20:04:35 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
@admin unban @jack_hearts
꧁༼༺₦ł₦J₳༻༽꧂20:04:38 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
nkvninjastar
anyone here iitian aspirant
?
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Daniel Larimer20:14:58 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Cosmos
Banning someone for expressing a viewpoint is like a petulant child taking their toy home with him. If you are that insecure that you cannot listen to points of conjecture you should not have the power of admin! A lot like what we are talking about today! Absolute power corrupts absolutely
therefore, God is corrupt
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos20:16:07 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
ColinTalksCrypto
Why are we having a tough time getting rid of the 4% annual inflation on EOS?
Because the token holders are absent? Because BPs don’t vote for it? Because the proxies the token holders have chosen don’t vote for it?
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos20:17:12 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
therefore, God is corrupt
Ha!
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Brandsbye20:17:55 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
therefore, God is corrupt
How God is corrupt?
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Daniel Larimer20:18:10 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
god has absolute power, absolute power corrupts absolutely
DG
Dave G20:18:38 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Unless...
LP
Luka Percic20:19:01 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
https://twitter.com/EOS_Israel/status/1122944498617782272
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PaulyC20:20:16 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Dan, is June still happening as expected? Not related to Brendan tweeting about lack of regulatory clarity lately right? :)
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Gandalf20:20:41 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
god has absolute power, absolute power corrupts absolutely
he has? hmmm
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Brandsbye20:21:30 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
god has absolute power, absolute power corrupts absolutely
Not applicable to God, sorry.
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Daniel Larimer20:21:57 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
that is an exemption.. absolute power corrupts people aboslutely
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Crypto_Crow20:22:40 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
paulyc
Dan, is June still happening as expected? Not related to Brendan tweeting about lack of regulatory clarity lately right? :)
Link?
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Brandsbye20:22:49 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
that is an exemption.. absolute power corrupts people aboslutely
Thanks, agreed
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Leon20:22:50 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
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Daniel Larimer20:22:54 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
#b1june is happening
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Droucil20:22:57 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
People corrupt people, god doesn't do shit :P
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Daniel Larimer20:23:15 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
god is whatever people define him/her to be
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PaulyC20:23:15 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jk. Thanks Dan!
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Daniel Larimer20:23:27 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
so you can define God to be exempt from any rule you like
DG
Dave G20:23:31 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Like any word then
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nsjames | Scatter20:23:36 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
god is whatever people define him/her to be
Did you just assume god's gender? 😂
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Ashe Oro - EOS Radio20:23:36 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
god is whatever people define him/her to be
Took me a long time to realize that I could redefine God
T|
Troi Bryan | BEAN Token Economy |20:24:00 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Randomnobody
Did you just assume god's gender? 😂
😍
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Daniel Larimer20:24:09 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Does God define you... or do you define God?
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Dave G20:24:18 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
You define the word
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Daniel Larimer20:24:23 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Depends on whether you are in soviet russia
AO
Ashe Oro - EOS Radio20:24:28 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Lol
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Crypto_Crow20:25:03 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
Does God define you... or do you define God?
Both... And neither
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos20:25:06 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
God has the powers each of us allows him to have
AO
Ashe Oro - EOS Radio20:25:39 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Aneta_EOS
God has the powers each of us allows him to have
Like BPs?
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Orca The Dolphin20:25:52 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
my astro prof believes god is female
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Enrique | EOS DAPP STARS20:25:53 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Aneta_EOS
God has the powers each of us allows him to have
God is neither he or she
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Crypto_Crow20:26:06 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Ashe_Oro
Like BPs?
😂👍
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Daniel Larimer20:26:16 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
eosds
God is neither he or she
he is both at the same time...
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Crypto_Crow20:26:30 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
he is both at the same time...
And neither
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GoogleDark🇺🇸20:26:32 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
eosds
God is neither he or she
God is a representation of masculinity and order. You stop that hippy nonsense 😆
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Droucil20:26:49 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
If god had any influence here on earth, he'd definitaly be a male. No female god would make such a mess xD
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GoogleDark🇺🇸20:26:50 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
I’ll see myself out now.
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Brandsbye20:26:52 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
so you can define God to be exempt from any rule you like
I followed the same God your dad preached
AO
Ashe Oro - EOS Radio20:27:10 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
he is both at the same time...
A != A?
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Orca The Dolphin20:27:15 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
|god> = 1 / sqrt{2} ( |he > + | she > )
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Daniel Larimer20:27:27 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
God = sqrt(-1)
DG
Dave G20:27:32 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Ontological bollocks
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Enrique | EOS DAPP STARS20:27:50 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
he is both at the same time...
God is the one who can see without eyes, hear without ears...
MM
Moshe Malawach [CCC] [Aleph] 🚀20:28:05 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
God = sqrt(-1)
-1?
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Samuel Joseph (a.k.a samstickkz)20:28:28 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
God = sqrt(-1)
You can put God in science or science in God, how can you quantity the one who created the quantity?
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Crypto_Crow20:28:30 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
God = sqrt(-1) OR sqrt(0)
AO
Ashe Oro - EOS Radio20:28:43 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
God = sqrt(-1)
Getting nerdy w em, eh?
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Daniel Larimer20:28:43 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
behold the matematically challenged 🙂
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Daniel Larimer20:29:34 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
If God is in Us and we are in God and if the Father and Son are one with the spirit... then God = i
MM
Moshe Malawach [CCC] [Aleph] 🚀20:29:34 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
...
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Syed | EOS Cafe Block | bloks.io20:29:49 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
God = sqrt(-1)
https://www.math.toronto.edu/mathnet/answers/imagexist.html
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Daniel Larimer20:29:52 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
or an imaginary number
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GoogleDark🇺🇸20:29:57 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Yes, father and son. Both males.
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Samuel Joseph (a.k.a samstickkz)20:29:58 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
If God is in Us and we are in God and if the Father and Son are one with the spirit... then God = i
Yes
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Droucil20:30:19 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Exactly, I am god
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Gandalf20:30:32 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
god is dead
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Gandalf20:30:34 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
sorry bro
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GoogleDark🇺🇸20:30:51 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Because masculinity is dying
AO
Ashe Oro - EOS Radio20:30:56 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
god is dead
But Gandalf came back
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Gandalf20:31:01 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
god is beyond duality you fool
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Daniel Larimer20:31:16 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
The evidence for reincarnation is compelling
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Gandalf20:31:19 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
your finite mind cant handle that paradox
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Samuel Joseph (a.k.a samstickkz)20:31:27 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
god is dead
How do you explain the sun.... Who made it and kept it there? The blast? Who created the Blas that blasted?
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Gandalf20:31:31 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
your reason is futile
DG
Dave G20:31:35 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
The evidence for reincarnation is compelling
Nope
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GoogleDark🇺🇸20:31:38 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
god is beyond duality you fool
You stop that. I haven’t listen to your audiobook yet
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PaulyC20:31:48 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
what evidence
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Droucil20:31:53 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
The evidence for reincarnation is compelling
Do tell 😄
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Gandalf20:31:54 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
samstickkz
How do you explain the sun.... Who made it and kept it there? The blast? Who created the Blas that blasted?
I did. You're welcome
MM
Moshe Malawach [CCC] [Aleph] 🚀20:31:59 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Is it the moment we all start saying nonsense sentences trying to be profound-sounding?
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Gandalf20:32:02 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
BostonRiver
You stop that. I haven’t listen to your audiobook yet
you will see
DG
Dave G20:32:10 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Jonnyjonnyjon
Is this the moment we all start saying nonsense sentences trying to be profound-sounding?
Yep
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GoogleDark🇺🇸20:32:14 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
you will see
Perhaps
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Daniel Larimer20:32:15 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
obviously the is no proof of reincarnation, just hard to explain knowledge in kids
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Samuel Joseph (a.k.a samstickkz)20:32:21 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
I did. You're welcome
Lol ok.... Proof?
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Tavares From Brazil20:32:22 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
There is no viable evidence
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R4320:32:37 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jack_hearts
Trade them for something you can withdraw
Reincarnation = Upgrades ?
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Nomotoken20:32:39 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
RDNtrader
+1
+1
DG
Dave G20:32:40 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
obviously the is no proof of reincarnation, just hard to explain knowledge in kids
What’s our best objective theory?
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Nomotoken20:32:54 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Cosmos
Un ban this guy!
+1
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GoogleDark🇺🇸20:32:57 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Our dna passed to our kids. Maybe that’s reincarnation
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Daniel Larimer20:32:58 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
there is no objective reality is my best objective theory
DG
Dave G20:33:09 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Hmmm
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos20:33:13 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
obviously the is no proof of reincarnation, just hard to explain knowledge in kids
depends on when they start learning. kids of 3 months can be learnt to read
TF
Tavares From Brazil20:33:13 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Lol
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Gandalf20:33:15 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
reincarnation is true
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Gandalf20:33:24 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
fools are forbidden to experience its evidence
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Droucil20:33:24 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
I believe kids might know things (and feel) that get lost with adulthood (unless presevered)
AO
Ashe Oro - EOS Radio20:33:27 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
there is no objective reality is my best objective theory
The riddles these days
AO
Ashe Oro - EOS Radio20:33:31 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
😂
HC
Hustle Crypto20:33:35 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Droucil
Exactly, I am god
No I am god
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Daniel Larimer20:33:36 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
kids knowing a langauge they never heard
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Shilldog20:33:44 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
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GoogleDark🇺🇸20:33:47 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
fools are forbidden to experience its evidence
Ok. Give evidence.
AO
Ashe Oro - EOS Radio20:33:52 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Ayn Rand's head is exploding
TF
Tavares From Brazil20:33:53 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Metaphysics...
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Crypto_Crow20:33:59 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
kids knowing a langauge they never heard
C++?
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Chijioke / Financialfreedomcj20:34:01 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
god has absolute power, absolute power corrupts absolutely
Absolute power doesn't actually corrupt. Power of itself has no life. It is a person that gives it life. A person can choose to use it for good or evil.
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Cosmos20:34:10 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
god has absolute power, absolute power corrupts absolutely
What if God were Law. Then absolute power would be Law of all things
JB
Justin Buck20:34:16 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
there is no objective reality is my best objective theory
There is one, we just don't have the data to define it, or haven't identified it yet. Everything came from nothing at some point. Or maybe it didn't. Either way, humans can only venture to make a guess on this. Unless I am missing data that others have.
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos20:34:17 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
kids knowing a langauge they never heard
ah, this is another story :)
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Moshe Malawach [CCC] [Aleph] 🚀20:34:39 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
@daniellarimer we should talk together about aleph.im commits/sync on eos one of these days... whenever you are in Paris tell me :)
JB
Justin Buck20:34:50 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
kids knowing a langauge they never heard
Evidence of this? Are you sure they don't just 'recognize' body language?
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Gandalf20:34:59 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
BostonRiver
Ok. Give evidence.
dyor 😂
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Daniel Larimer20:35:13 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jbucksteiner
Evidence of this? Are you sure they don't just 'recognize' body language?
speaking a langauge they never heard
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Droucil20:35:31 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Crypto_Crow
C++?
Only Dan's kids perhaps
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Cosmos20:35:34 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
financialfreedomcj
Absolute power doesn't actually corrupt. Power of itself has no life. It is a person that gives it life. A person can choose to use it for good or evil.
Love this!
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Gandalf20:35:34 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Mozart was composing and were a perfect pianist at the age of 6
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Gandalf20:35:39 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
muh DNA
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Gandalf20:35:41 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
HAHAHA
TF
Tavares From Brazil20:35:42 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
No viable evidence...reality is even biased :)
JB
Justin Buck20:35:44 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
speaking a langauge they never heard
Evidence? I have not seen this, and find it hard to believe tbh. Assuming you mean 'instantly.'
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Crypto_Crow20:35:45 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Droucil
Only Dan's kids perhaps
Exactly what I meant lol
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Syed | EOS Cafe Block | bloks.io20:35:54 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Like Dan's kids speaking haskell
MS
Mário Silva20:36:02 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
are we at the belif system discussion again?
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PaulyC20:36:08 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
syed_jafri
Like Dan's kids speaking haskell
rofl
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Daniel Larimer20:36:11 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
the key to life is to believe that which you find objectively improves your life by believing it
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Gandalf20:36:21 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
evidence as in measured by foolish imprecise instruments? 🤔
DL
Daniel Larimer20:36:56 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
some would say it is foolish to rely purely on the physical world for explanations
TF
Tavares From Brazil20:37:01 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
I like consistently verifiable myself...but I am a weirdo
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Cosmos20:37:03 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
the key to life is to believe that which you find subjectively improves your life by believing it
So what is the iterative feedback loop for improvement in EOS? Sidechains/free market?
LP
Luka Percic20:37:09 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
syed_jafri
Like Dan's kids speaking haskell
ya they shouldn't know haskell, only c++ in their blood
MS
Mário Silva20:37:09 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
evidence as in measured by foolish imprecise instruments? 🤔
biased by our own senses interpetration. biased again by propaganda
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Gandalf20:37:21 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
some would say it is foolish to rely purely on the physical world for explanations
this
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Daniel Larimer20:37:28 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
There were blind, but now they C
DG
Dave G20:37:43 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
some would say it is foolish to rely purely on the physical world for explanations
Some people like statements that can be interpreted however the reader likes
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Gandalf20:37:46 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
TavaresFromBrazil
I like consistently verifiable myself...but I am a weirdo
of course you are. all brazilians are
MS
Mário Silva20:37:47 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
There were blind, but now they C
:)
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Droucil20:37:59 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Hard to believe the eyes when the mind is playing tricks ;)
TF
Tavares From Brazil20:38:13 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf is making fun of me :)
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Nero20:38:15 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
the key to life is to believe that which you find subjectively improves your life by believing it
Even if it isn't true?
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Gandalf20:38:27 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
love u bro 😂
TF
Tavares From Brazil20:38:34 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
What is truth?
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Gandalf20:38:39 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
it isnt
LP
Luka Percic20:38:49 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
AFellowAnon
Even if it isn't true?
placebo effect is proven to help
LP
Luka Percic20:38:52 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
so yes
MM
Moshe Malawach [CCC] [Aleph] 🚀20:39:05 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
the key to life is to believe that which you find subjectively improves your life by believing it
How many pints did you drink tonight mate? :)
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos20:39:06 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Dan, can yu unban @jack_hearts ?
DG
Dave G20:39:12 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
lukapercic
placebo effect is proven to help
And harm
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Daniel Larimer20:39:13 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
AFellowAnon
Even if it isn't true?
yes... however, not beleiving in gravity can have consequences so it is wise to believe in it
LP
Luka Percic20:39:19 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
just don't cure cancer with placebo effects, thats all
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Daniel Larimer20:39:35 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
lukapercic
just don't cure cancer with placebo effects, thats all
placebo can cause and cure cancer
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shieldy_bot20:39:37 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
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Droucil20:39:47 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
lukapercic
placebo effect is proven to help
Same principle would explain why praying could be effective
TF
Tavares From Brazil20:39:48 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gravity is consistently verifiable
JB
Justin Buck20:39:49 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
the key to life is to believe that which you find subjectively improves your life by believing it
Yeah, that is fine and all. We all have our own definitons of happiness. Some people choose to live in the middle of nowhere, isolated, likely living less time on earth and perhaps dying alone - but that is their perogative. But when it comes to 'healthy' society, isolationism, for example, doesn't help progress evolution, imo. Not the society I want to interact with, anyway. But, again, personal choice is very important. Just have to know that with some choices comes communities you'd prefer to be a part of ostracising you.
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Joao20:39:55 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
yes... however, not beleiving in gravity can have consequences so it is wise to believe in it
It's time to sleep
AO
Ashe Oro - EOS Radio20:40:04 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Btw @daniellarimer we'll be discussing ur Bancor stable coins idea this Wed on EOS Radio, if u care to join or tune in.
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Enrique | EOS DAPP STARS20:40:08 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Apocalypse in greek...the uncovering of the truth, lifting of the veil
LP
Luka Percic20:40:09 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
placebo can cause and cure cancer
it might be able to cure what was put there by placebo sure
TF
Tavares From Brazil20:40:11 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
As are yearly global temperatures
AO
Ashe Oro - EOS Radio20:40:16 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Btw Dan, we'll be discussing ur Bancor stable coins idea this Wed on EOS Radio, if u care to join or tune in
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Cosmos20:40:17 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
The translation of that which can't be translated into words is art! The feeling of perfection with God translated to this place
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Crypto_Crow20:40:17 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
yes... however, not beleiving in gravity can have consequences so it is wise to believe in it
Are you referring to siddhis?
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Enrique | EOS DAPP STARS20:40:22 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
The million masks of god
JB
Justin Buck20:40:37 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Ashe_Oro
Btw Dan, we'll be discussing ur Bancor stable coins idea this Wed on EOS Radio, if u care to join or tune in
👏👏👏👏
LP
Luka Percic20:40:58 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Ashe_Oro
Btw Dan, we'll be discussing ur Bancor stable coins idea this Wed on EOS Radio, if u care to join or tune in
bancor stable coin would cure cancer
DL
Daniel Larimer20:40:59 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
lukapercic
it might be able to cure what was put there by placebo sure
the point is that the mind-body relationship is complex and that beliefs can have physical manifestations.
LP
Luka Percic20:41:13 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
youp
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Destiny20:42:01 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
The goal of life is to evolve there's billions of years of evidence for that😀
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Tavares From Brazil20:42:10 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
There is no spoon
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Moshe Malawach [CCC] [Aleph] 🚀20:42:14 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
I can't follow why we are discussing placebo effect coming from God sex...
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Chijioke / Financialfreedomcj20:42:15 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
that is an exemption.. absolute power corrupts people aboslutely
Men have fallen natures. This is why there always has to be checks and balances. Men will always do what is good for "THEM" regardless of who they are hurting. Checks and balances do not totally eliminate this but it ensures that at least every stake holder is represented.
LP
Luka Percic20:42:30 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Destiny
The goal of life is to evolve there's billions of years of evidence for that😀
what kills you makes other stronger
LP
Luka Percic20:42:34 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
so...
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MaxDapp20:42:39 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkcF9EGCAp4
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Daniel Larimer20:42:44 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
men don't walways do what is good for them... they voted for Trump and Obama
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Nero20:42:54 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
yes... however, not beleiving in gravity can have consequences so it is wise to believe in it
😅 But if it's our purpose (in this reality) to grow and evolve how would subscripting to falsehoods actually benefit us in the "big picture."
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Tavares From Brazil20:43:05 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Men eat sugar
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos20:43:11 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
lukapercic
it might be able to cure what was put there by placebo sure
Luka, after all it's often our mind who creates the disease so it can also cure it
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Tavares From Brazil20:43:13 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Men do meth
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Hustle Crypto20:43:15 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
TavaresFromBrazil
Men eat sugar
Not real mwn
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., please, press the button below within the time amount specified, otherwise you will be kicked. Thank you! (60 sec)
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Justin Buck20:43:34 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
men don't walways do what is good for them... they voted for Trump and Obama
Subjective. Pretty sure Jared Kushner is pretty happy he voted for Trump.
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Cosmos20:43:40 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
financialfreedomcj
Men have fallen natures. This is why there always has to be checks and balances. Men will always do what is good for "THEM" regardless of who they are hurting. Checks and balances do not totally eliminate this but it ensures that at least every stake holder is represented.
This is why we need to develop a system of "giving". It is the counter balance to gravity/concentration/centralization. I felt this when I first read about Karma.
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Daniel Larimer20:43:51 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
AFellowAnon
😅 But if it's our purpose (in this reality) to grow and evolve how would subscribing to falsehoods actually benefit us in the "big picture."
defining true and false is ambigous and/or impossible, especially if reality is that we are all characters in a holodeck.
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Luka Percic20:43:59 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Aneta_EOS
Luka, after all it's often our mind who creates the disease so it can also cure it
i would say only when our mind creates the disease it can cure it. Thats a subset of couses though.
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Chijioke / Financialfreedomcj20:44:33 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
men don't walways do what is good for them... they voted for Trump and Obama
Yes but the people that were voting thought that it was "good for them" at least at the time. Peoples' perspectives are fickle. That is why we have the word, "buyer's remorse."
JB
Justin Buck20:44:33 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
lukapercic
i would say only when our mind creates the disease it can cure it. Thats a subset of couses though.
I agree. Well, not just mind, but mind in conjuction with surrounding (e.g., stress from work).
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Tavares From Brazil20:44:34 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Dan is making a holodeck... June 1?
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Daniel Larimer20:44:47 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
lukapercic
i would say only when our mind creates the disease it can cure it. Thats a subset of couses though.
I would say that disease is the result of a poorly operating immune system which is controlled by your brain.
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Droucil20:45:18 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
AFellowAnon
😅 But if it's our purpose (in this reality) to grow and evolve how would subscribing to falsehoods actually benefit us in the "big picture."
Perhaps subscribing to that falsehood would be an experience on its own to grow from
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Daniel Larimer20:45:18 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
given proper nutrition and the right mind you can heal a lot
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Tavares From Brazil20:45:47 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Radiation poisoning? Ebola?
KR
Katie Roman20:45:58 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
I would say that disease is the result of a poorly operating immune system which is controlled by your brain.
+1
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Cosmos20:46:03 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
given proper nutrition and the right mind you can heal a lot
👍
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Daniel Larimer20:46:07 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
For example, someone may have intentionally harmed you, but choosing to believe it was accidental might help forgive which improves your life
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos20:46:24 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
lukapercic
i would say only when our mind creates the disease it can cure it. Thats a subset of couses though.
right in the moment when you only think about a positive change your DNA starts changing so the mind has big power and placebo unlocks it
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Tavares From Brazil20:46:48 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Forgiveness is gold...helps the mental state 10 fold
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DJ Blockchain20:47:00 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
I would say that disease is the result of a poorly operating immune system which is controlled by your brain.
Feelings towards DMT and other psychedelics?
DG
Dave G20:47:00 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
No one chooses their beliefs. Try and choose to change one of your beliefs for 5 minutes
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shizzl.e20:47:22 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Ashe_Oro
Btw Dan, we'll be discussing ur Bancor stable coins idea this Wed on EOS Radio, if u care to join or tune in
💯😎
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Daniel Larimer20:47:31 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Choosing to beleive that your beleifs create reality cause you to take risks... these might overcome irrational fear you could otherwise harbor
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Dave G20:47:55 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
True
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Tequila20:48:18 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Yo Daniel, you ducking me? I been dying to run this health care blockchain idea by you
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Tavares From Brazil20:48:22 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Like church goers that handle venomous snakes
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Ashe Oro - EOS Radio20:48:23 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Does irrational fear exist? Do all human actions and thoughts have a reason?
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Tequila20:48:41 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
We may disagree on vaccine use, but a positive game from that 3 day long conversation lol
JM
James Marxe20:48:42 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
therefore, God is corrupt
If there is God then there is a devil
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos20:48:47 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
Choosing to beleive that your beleifs create reality cause you to take risks... these might overcome irrational fear you could otherwise harbor
true still it's difficult to believe in everything :)
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Enrique | EOS DAPP STARS20:48:49 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
Choosing to beleive that your beleifs create reality cause you to take risks... these might overcome irrational fear you could otherwise harbor
Whats your view on synchronicities? What are they?
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Tavares From Brazil20:48:51 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Some die...refuse medical help...belief has its limitations
JM
James Marxe20:48:52 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Put simply good and evil
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Moshe Malawach [CCC] [Aleph] 🚀20:48:53 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
Choosing to beleive that your beleifs create reality cause you to take risks... these might overcome irrational fear you could otherwise harbor
Are you running some kind of chat bot?
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Daniel Larimer20:49:01 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
reason is a funny concept... do all things have a cause? If so what caused the first thing?
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Ashe Oro - EOS Radio20:49:13 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
reason is a funny concept... do all things have a cause? If so what caused the first thing?
Turtles?
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Daniel Larimer20:49:19 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Yep
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Daniel Larimer20:49:26 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Turtles.... the root of all evli
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Crypto_Crow20:49:33 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
realtequila
We may disagree on vaccine use, but a positive came from that 3 day long conversation lol
I disagree with the disagreement 😁
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Daniel Larimer20:49:35 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
especially the teenage vareity
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Tavares From Brazil20:49:44 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Why is the first thing important?
DG
Dave G20:49:47 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
reason is a funny concept... do all things have a cause? If so what caused the first thing?
What first thing?
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Tavares From Brazil20:49:50 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Cowabunga!
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Ashe Oro - EOS Radio20:49:52 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
especially the teenage vareity
Only if they are mutant, I believe
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Chijioke / Financialfreedomcj20:49:53 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Cosmos
This is why we need to develop a system of "giving". It is the counter balance to gravity/concentration/centralization. I felt this when I first read about Karma.
Do you know why "giving" is epic? It is the antidote of selfishness. Think about this, if you have kids, you always wonder where they learned to be selfish. This is in their nature. Selfishness is in man's nature. Giving is taught.
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Crypto_Crow20:50:14 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Only in duality
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Droucil20:50:27 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Ashe_Oro
Only if they are mutant, I believe
Teenagers, turtles or not, are the worst 😅
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ian20:50:32 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
I would say that disease is the result of a poorly operating immune system which is controlled by your brain.
"Epigenetics" the book "biology of belief" by cell biologist Dr. Bruce Lipton explains this. Amazing book.
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Daniel Larimer20:50:42 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
I'd say that giving is in mans nature too... or it wouldn't happen in the first place
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Crypto_Crow20:50:44 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
AadamJames
If there is God then there is a devil
Only in duality
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Tequila20:50:52 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
My conclusion is that dan is also building a health care blockchain idea
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Tequila20:51:03 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Hmmm....probably an airdrop coming
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos20:51:13 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Ashe_Oro
Turtles?
why turtles? what are you talking about?
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Daniel Larimer20:51:13 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
healthchare on a blockchain == MAS
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Tequila20:51:14 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
#B1June?
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Cosmos20:51:18 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
reason is a funny concept... do all things have a cause? If so what caused the first thing?
Struggled with this for most of my childhood...... There is no beginning nor end. Anything that is always has been.
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Moshe Malawach [CCC] [Aleph] 🚀20:51:27 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
realtequila
My conclusion is that dan is also building a health care blockchain idea
Or he doesn't care
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Moshe Malawach [CCC] [Aleph] 🚀20:51:27 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
lol
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Crypto_Crow20:51:28 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
realtequila
My conclusion is that dan is also building a health care blockchain idea
Maybe that's why all other ones have fallen silent
JM
James Marxe20:51:29 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Crypto_Crow
Only in duality
In all scripture.
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Carlos | Metal Packaging Token20:51:35 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Peace would not exist without war?
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Gabri20:51:37 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
https://us04web.zoom.us/j/979314540
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Orca The Dolphin20:51:43 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
war is peace
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Daniel Larimer20:51:56 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down
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Tavares From Brazil20:52:02 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Orwell in the house!
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Daniel Larimer20:52:32 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Threat of War is Peace
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos20:53:02 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
threat of war is ticking bomb
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Moshe Malawach [CCC] [Aleph] 🚀20:53:03 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Are you high? 😅
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shizzl.e20:53:17 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
All this is so good 😂
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Tequila20:53:23 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Alright so you speak of a use for private chains to ensure validation
OM
Old Man20:53:27 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
or we burn it and trigger an amazing selloff
Or use it onboard users by creating free accounts and kick start mass adoption. With unique/live human ID system using the savings account to pay for new account creation is, in my opinion, highest and best use of the value. No burn, no wpf, tons of value creation and utility for the community
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Daniel Larimer20:53:47 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
People agree to live at peace because they don't want to live at war
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Moshe Malawach [CCC] [Aleph] 🚀20:53:55 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
realtequila
Alright so you speak of a use for private chains to ensure validation
Validation can only occur on public chains
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Tequila20:53:58 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
So that even employees can’t modify records, everything is signed
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Daniel Larimer20:54:05 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
this causes them to endure much tyrany as it is preferrable to war
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Tequila20:54:14 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Jonnyjonnyjon
Validation can only occur on public chains
That’s not true
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Carlos | Metal Packaging Token20:54:14 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
Threat of War is Peace
Not before the first war
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Tequila20:54:21 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
As dan has previously explained
JB
Justin Buck20:54:24 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down
https://open.spotify.com/track/4NE3oWyUQI2b2NjyMyC8Bi?si=9-RHTcb6SxSA1se1ZvHZpg
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Tequila20:55:00 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
He has been telling us that private chains will be used to replace standard database solutions to improve security
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Moshe Malawach [CCC] [Aleph] 🚀20:55:02 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
realtequila
That’s not true
Yup if you agree to agree with yourself
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos20:55:16 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
this causes them to endure much tyrany as it is preferrable to war
until...?
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GoogleDark🇺🇸20:55:27 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Unspoken truth. Some soldiers miss war.
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Tequila20:55:43 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
So my idea is not to put your private health care data in a public blockchain
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Daniel Larimer20:56:09 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Aneta_EOS
until...?
until they have nothing less to lose and war becomes preferrable
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Tequila20:56:09 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
But if eosio is a solution you recommend to improve security, then it certainly applies to all sectors
DG
Dave G20:56:28 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
until they have nothing less to lose and war becomes preferrable
June
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Daniel Larimer20:56:31 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
eosio is good for healthcare
JB
Justin Buck20:56:39 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
realtequila
So my idea is not to put your private health care data in a public blockchain
What happens to my data when that chain history is attacked?
DG
Dave G20:56:50 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Aneta_EOS
until...?
June
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Droucil20:56:53 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
eosio is good for healthcare
It definitely is good for my healthcare
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GoogleDark🇺🇸20:56:55 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Not nothing left to lose. It’s pleasurable.
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Crypto_Crow20:57:06 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
AadamJames
In all scripture.
All dualistic scripture that is? 😊
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos20:57:19 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
until they have nothing less to lose and war becomes preferrable
Yeah, seems like it always goes down to exhaustion
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Chijioke / Financialfreedomcj20:57:33 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
I'd say that giving is in mans nature too... or it wouldn't happen in the first place
Not exactly true or that will be the first thing kids do. You don't need to teach a kid to be selfish. My kids did not learn how to be selfish. They just were and I had a couple of them. All of them were just that way. They were taught how to be giving.
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Moshe Malawach [CCC] [Aleph] 🚀20:57:33 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jbucksteiner
What happens to my data when that chain history is attacked?
If block and state roots hashes are pushed on a secure public chain you might be ok
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Tequila20:57:39 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
eosio is used for security to ensure that records are verifiable and can not be changed by anyone except those who should have access
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Daniel Larimer20:58:02 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
The first thing the kids learn is the selfless act of their mother feeding them.
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Daniel Larimer20:58:16 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Maternal instincts are selfless
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Cosmos20:58:25 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
financialfreedomcj
Not exactly true or that will be the first thing kids do. You don't need to teach a kid to be selfish. My kids did not learn how to be selfish. They just were and I had a couple of them. All of them were just that way. They were taught how to be giving.
Its the evolution of man...... walking out of the jungle into the light
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Tequila20:58:43 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Imagine how eosio could be used for vaccines
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Taylor Floyd20:58:45 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
obviously the is no proof of reincarnation, just hard to explain knowledge in kids
if you lucid dream frequently the topic of past lives gets brought up a lot
JB
Justin Buck20:58:47 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Jonnyjonnyjon
If block and state roots hashes are pushed on a secure public chain you might be ok
And then anyone can discern my data that I wanted to be private?
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Tequila20:58:53 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
This would be the intimate irony
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Daniel Larimer20:58:56 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
realtequila
Imagine how eosio could be used for vaccines
eosio can be used for tyrany too
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Crypto_Crow20:59:07 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
realtequila
Imagine how eosio could be used for vaccines
Tell us!!😃
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Daniel Larimer20:59:14 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
it could also be used for gun registration
LP
Luka Percic20:59:15 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
eosio can be used for tyrany too
this is my plan all along
LP
Luka Percic21:00:00 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
taking over the world using eosio and usher a new world order
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Sam Kazemian21:00:08 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
it could also be used for gun registration
is anyone working on guns on EOSIO? that's a very unique and interesting idea
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Cosmos21:00:08 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
The first thing the kids learn is the selfless act of their mother feeding them.
The male/female balance... one concentrating resources the other decentrating them. In my opinion we should strive to design a system of giving so that we can receive to give again!
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos21:00:15 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
it could also be used for gun registration
Gun ław should be abolished
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Daniel Larimer21:00:31 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Aneta_EOS
Gun ław should be abolished
I agree
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Daniel Larimer21:00:42 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
The power of the dark side of the chain
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Daniel Larimer21:00:59 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
some chains bind you, some free you
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Cosmos21:01:02 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
realtequila
LOL
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Tequila21:01:03 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Well I want to use it for good in health care
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos21:01:07 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
lukapercic
taking over the world using eosio and usher a new world order
Luka...I could believe you
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos21:01:14 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
😁
JB
Justin Buck21:01:15 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
Maternal instincts are selfless
Don't tell my mom, but I'd argue against this. Throughout history, women have had more kids the more 'hard' their life is. There is something about survival that incentivizes mom's (and dad's) to want to have more future workers. Maybe this is just the 'fault' of the dad's, though?
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Droucil21:01:17 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Cosmos
The male/female balance... one concentrating resources the other decentrating them. In my opinion we should strive to design a system of giving so that we can receive to give again!
Crypto's have that ability to incentivize for giving and sharing
LP
Luka Percic21:01:20 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
realtequila
this
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Taylor Floyd21:01:21 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
realtequila
Well I want to use it for good in health care
+1
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Daniel Larimer21:01:24 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
the road to hell is paved by blockchains with good intentions 😉
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Tequila21:01:34 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Anyone interested, message me. Especially dan who hasnlt responded since showercoin lol
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Cosmos21:02:10 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Droucil
Crypto's have that ability to incentivize for giving and sharing
One of the three keys to balance
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Tequila21:02:12 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
I build a health information system
JM
James Marxe21:02:24 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Crypto_Crow
All dualistic scripture that is? 😊
All scriptures that came through all prophets and messengers.
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Tequila21:02:25 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
I want to make it better
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Chijioke / Financialfreedomcj21:02:37 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
The first thing the kids learn is the selfless act of their mother feeding them.
When you really think about your statement, the thing that they do when they come out is to fend for themselves. They want to suck the mom dry. I remember my second child. My wife could not get any sleep. he wanted to nurse and then cuddle every two hrs. He could care less about the Mom that was not getting any sleep. Since we lived 45 mins from my work place, we eventually had to sell our house and move closer to work because of this kid. I was worried that she might hurt this kid.
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Droucil21:02:38 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Cosmos
One of the three keys to balance
Whate are the other two :P?
DG
Dave G21:02:46 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
AadamJames
All scriptures that came through all prophets and messengers.
You haven’t read my scripture
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos21:02:47 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
the road to hell is paved by blockchains with good intentions 😉
Now this is a riddle or AI
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(=^▽^=).21:02:47 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Has EOS signed a cooperation agreement with the US government?
JM
James Marxe21:03:16 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Olaf_Biscuit
You haven’t read my scripture
You are not a prophet or messenger.
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Samuelman21:03:20 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Is EOS patented ?
DG
Dave G21:03:39 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
AadamJames
You are not a prophet or messenger.
That’s not what the scripture says
SD
Sofiane Delloue21:03:46 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
some chains bind you, some free you
i would be totally paranoid about EOS if it wasn’t for all your lucid messages in here
BE
Branden Espinoza | StrongBlock21:03:59 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
the road to hell is paved by blockchains with good intentions 😉
Blockchain is my biggest fear…. the appearance of accountability is dangerous without substance.
AO
Ashe Oro - EOS Radio21:04:02 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
the road to hell is paved by blockchains with good intentions 😉
That's why we have to open source.
BE
Branden Espinoza | StrongBlock21:04:30 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
I love blockchain, but it scares me too.
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Droucil21:04:37 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
some chains bind you, some free you
Binding; Ethereum, Bitcoin. Free you; EOS
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Tequila21:04:58 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
I promise I won’t use it for vaccines
JM
James Marxe21:04:59 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Olaf_Biscuit
That’s not what the scripture says
In fact it is. The last scripture informed that the last prophet was Mohammad and that has been the case.
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Tequila21:05:03 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Or road
DG
Dave G21:05:15 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
I meant my scripture
JM
James Marxe21:05:31 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Olaf_Biscuit
I meant my scripture
There are no more scriptures lol
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos21:05:32 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
espinbrand
I love blockchain, but it scares me too.
What exactly?
DG
Dave G21:05:40 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
AadamJames
There are no more scriptures lol
Oh!
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Cosmos21:05:59 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Droucil
Whate are the other two :P?
Imagine the seasaw. On one end you have gravity/concentration/centralization. On the other, decentration/decentralization. The fulcrum being the neutral stillness, the balancing system that does not have opinion. It is the stillness, the law
MA
Mike Alvez21:06:49 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
can anyone help us set a new block producer
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Mike Alvez21:06:59 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
willing to pay for the help
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Tequila21:07:23 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Did you guys see Charlie Shrem interested In the Effect.Ai project that is moving to eos
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Mike Alvez21:07:26 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
could not find clear instructions online
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Tequila21:07:41 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
It’s interesting to see bitcoin maximalists start to come around
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Ami Heines21:08:30 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
god is whatever people define him/her to be
him/her/it
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Clay Albright (EOS USA)21:09:05 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
exckor
can anyone help us set a new block producer
yes
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Droucil21:09:34 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
realtequila
It’s interesting to see bitcoin maximalists start to come around
If ever.
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Ami Heines21:09:54 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
eosds
God is the one who can see without eyes, hear without ears...
And create a rock so heavy, even he/she/it can't lift
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Crypto_Crow21:10:15 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
AadamJames
All scriptures that came through all prophets and messengers.
I wonder if (the interpretation of) the content of those scriptures would look the same if blockchain were around 3000 years ago
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Droucil21:11:29 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Crypto_Crow
I wonder if (the interpretation of) the content of those scriptures would look the same if blockchain were around 3000 years ago
History would be changed for sure
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Tequila21:12:10 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Well that’s it, I’m using eosio for evil
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Tequila21:12:21 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Get ready jerks, the end is near
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Mergim21:12:22 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
AmiHeines
And create a rock so heavy, even he/she/it can't lift
God doesnt do unGodly things , he can lie but he doesnt if he lies he is not a God
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Moshe Malawach [CCC] [Aleph] 🚀21:12:27 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jbucksteiner
And then anyone can discern my data that I wanted to be private?
with only hashes?
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Tequila21:13:07 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
All gun control and vaccine dapps for me from here on out
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Tequila21:13:14 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Maybe I’ll also make one for taxes
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Ami Heines21:13:15 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
Maternal instincts are selfless
Recommended book: The Selfish Gene https://g.co/kgs/wSCfSa
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Crypto_Crow21:13:20 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Mergim
God doesnt do unGodly things , he can lie but he doesnt if he lies he is not a God
God is unconditional uninterrupted joy
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Syed | EOS Cafe Block | bloks.io21:13:20 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
vaccine dApps lol
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Justin Buck21:13:21 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Jonnyjonnyjon
with only hashes?
How would even I repopulate it with only hashes? This nuance is actually something I have been researching for a minute now. I am going to PM you! Thanks for your feedback, Moshe!
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Ami Heines21:13:39 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Mergim
God doesnt do unGodly things , he can lie but he doesnt if he lies he is not a God
Define unGodly
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Moshe Malawach [CCC] [Aleph] 🚀21:14:15 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
jbucksteiner
How would even I repopulate it with only hashes? This nuance is actually something I have been researching for a minute now. I am going to PM you! Thanks for your feedback, Moshe!
You just want security on main chain not content, you need some kind of private network for your data
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Justin Buck21:15:13 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Jonnyjonnyjon
You just want security on main chain not content, you need some kind of private network for your data
Right, but what happens when private network storing actual data is compromised? Again, I pm'd you.
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Tequila21:15:44 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
We are 4 weeks out from June
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Peter21:15:48 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Dan what happened to all the June hype and excitement? Recently you and BB only seem to be positing heavy criticism..
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Tequila21:15:54 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Still not apple wallet code eh
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Tequila21:18:20 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
🍎 ?
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hadrian21:20:07 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Aneta_EOS
Who banned @jack_hearts ?
They're still a member of the group and I see in the 'recent actions log' no action carried out to them such as banning or altered permissions, between the time of their last post and your comment to which I'm replying. I suspect it's to do with some function determined by how Telegram operates. I don't know how it works, but with fuzzy it wasn't because of any action by admin, but others reporting him and stuff like that wasn't it? Maybe this is similar.
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Mergim21:20:12 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
AmiHeines
Define unGodly
he defined himself by qualities , the qualities that he didnt mention are unGodly things (like , He is truthful , He is just , He is one , )
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Christian Schramm21:20:55 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
Choosing to beleive that your beleifs create reality cause you to take risks... these might overcome irrational fear you could otherwise harbor
Like when I went All In on RAM
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Tequila21:21:06 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Dan probably just stole my idea and disappeared to patent it
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Gandalf21:21:22 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Old Man
Or use it onboard users by creating free accounts and remove a pain point for mass adoption. With unique/live human ID system using the savings account to pay for new account creation is, in my opinion, highest and best use of the value. No burn, no wpf, tons of value creation and utility for the community
am I allowed to hoard and resell at a profit?
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Droucil21:21:37 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
TheSchrammHIT
Like when I went All In on RAM
That was just human greed and irrationality xD
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Crypto_Crow21:21:56 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
realtequila
Dan probably just stole my idea and disappeared to patent it
Probably discussing it with the b1 team as we speak😂
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Tequila21:22:22 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Watch that will be the b1june announcement
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Tequila21:22:31 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
I just saved the whole community
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Crypto_Crow21:22:58 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
realtequila
Watch that will be the b1june announcement
Wait....Did you say you didn't patent it?😱😜
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Moshe Malawach [CCC] [Aleph] 🚀21:23:40 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
realtequila
Dan probably just stole my idea and disappeared to patent it
You do realize there is a lot of other idea of healthcare blockchain out there?
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Tequila21:23:50 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Yeah but mine is better
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Tequila21:23:53 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
:)
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hadrian21:25:41 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Cosmos
Banning someone for expressing a viewpoint is like a petulant child taking their toy home with him. If you are that insecure that you cannot listen to points of conjecture you should not have the power of admin! A lot like what we are talking about today! Absolute power corrupts absolutely
@HoneyBooBoosMom https://t.me/EOSproject/1165369
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos21:25:51 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
hadrianBTS
They're still a member of the group and I see in the 'recent actions log' no action carried out to them such as banning or altered permissions, between the time of their last post and your comment to which I'm replying. I suspect it's to do with some function determined by how Telegram operates. I don't know how it works, but with fuzzy it wasn't because of any action by admin, but others reporting him and stuff like that wasn't it? Maybe this is similar.
I don't know but this didn't seem to be a problem before
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hadrian21:26:13 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Aneta_EOS
I don't know but this didn't seem to be a problem before
What didn't seem to be a problem?
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Tequila21:26:16 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Cryptographic vaccine validation 😆
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Tequila21:26:25 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
It’s the eosio killer dapp
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Cosmos21:27:39 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Doesn't it make sense to multiply the voting power of the decentalized masses when resources are given to a centralizing power/group. The tradeoff of resource concentration, dilution of voting power. Edwardo would be proud, giving Mark the finger when he decides to nail him to the wall!
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Tequila21:27:48 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Serious question
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Tequila21:28:06 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
How many out there really understand how eosio can be leveraged outside of tokens?
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James Marxe21:28:29 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Crypto_Crow
I wonder if (the interpretation of) the content of those scriptures would look the same if blockchain were around 3000 years ago
Gold and silver is ok. Interest strictly forbidden
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Cosmos21:28:48 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Don't think it has anything to do with tokens. Those are just a means of value transfer.
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos21:29:06 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
hadrianBTS
What didn't seem to be a problem?
the bans didn't happen with this frequency or maybe no one complained?
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hadrian21:30:08 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Aneta_EOS
the bans didn't happen with this frequency or maybe no one complained?
How frequently is it happening?
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Aneta - eosnetworkxx proxy & goodsquirrel for Telos21:31:07 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
hadrianBTS
How frequently is it happening?
with fuzzy it was incredibly frequent and now it doesn't anymore so dunno what was that about that isn't a problem now?
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Mikki21:32:34 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
reason is a funny concept... do all things have a cause? If so what caused the first thing?
Have u read: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32336635-the-enigma-of-reason ? Interesting viewpoint about ”reasoning”
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Soldier21:34:00 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
The evidence for reincarnation is compelling
Indeed! Anyone who has come across their Akashic Records (book of life) understands what Dan wants to say. Life is full of wonder when you open your eyes
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Hustle Crypto21:36:39 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Aneta_EOS
with fuzzy it was incredibly frequent and now it doesn't anymore so dunno what was that about that isn't a problem now?
Haha fuzzy goes hard on the promo ;)
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Hustle Crypto21:37:10 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
realtequila
How many out there really understand how eosio can be leveraged outside of tokens?
At least 2
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Gandalf21:39:23 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
soldiersl
Indeed! Anyone who has come across their Akashic Records (book of life) understands what Dan wants to say. Life is full of wonder when you open your eyes
hahahah you fool!
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Colin Talks Crypto21:41:08 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
BPs are the ones that know everything inside and outside EOS. dont be naive
Not sure what you are talking about. I don't follow BPs blindly. I think the 4% fund should be removed and the reasons given (if any) for not doing so are not valid reasons to go against 99.8% referendum support for removing the 4% savings account.
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wilfra | marketcap.one21:42:40 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
hadrianBTS
They're still a member of the group and I see in the 'recent actions log' no action carried out to them such as banning or altered permissions, between the time of their last post and your comment to which I'm replying. I suspect it's to do with some function determined by how Telegram operates. I don't know how it works, but with fuzzy it wasn't because of any action by admin, but others reporting him and stuff like that wasn't it? Maybe this is similar.
The road to hell is paved by admins with good intentions ;)
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GoogleDark🇺🇸21:43:00 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
god is beyond duality you fool
Beyond, but also including?
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Colin Talks Crypto21:43:02 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
BigMosh
Thank you for this
Welcome!!
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Colin Talks Crypto21:44:06 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Aneta_EOS
Because the token holders are absent? Because BPs don’t vote for it? Because the proxies the token holders have chosen don’t vote for it?
Well, 13 million token holders have voted in favor of WPF by a very strong lead (99.8% in favor). EUA was approved on similar metrics.
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Colin Talks Crypto21:44:28 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
It's BPs who must vote for it. Token holders merely have the ability to express sentiment, which they have done.
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Clay Albright (EOS USA)21:45:04 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
token holders vote for BP's. bp's vote 15/21.
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Clay Albright (EOS USA)21:45:18 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
but proxies are voting for same BP's as exchanges
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Clay Albright (EOS USA)21:45:42 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
colin, does your proxy take the eos nation scorecard into consideration before voting
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Clay Albright (EOS USA)21:46:44 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
4 checks is a baseline for any BP. either they are proficient enough to get it done, or they simply don't care. thoughts?
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Clay Albright (EOS USA)21:47:35 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
only 15 BP's on the EOS chain give a shit enough to be in compiance. Are you voting for them?
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Gandalf21:48:39 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
BostonRiver
Beyond, but also including?
well technically all manifestation is an aspect of it. but what isnt - infinite possibility - also is
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Sam J21:53:50 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
the road to hell is paved by blockchains with good intentions 😉
Ok. How about the road to horizontal scaling?
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Sam J21:54:37 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
@daniellarimer I hear a lot from Polkadot and Cosmos on their plans and what they are doing with ICB. Nothing from you guys tho
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Sam J21:54:41 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
What’s the latest?
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Sam J21:56:18 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Lots of talk prelaunch on multithreading and IBC prelaunch. Coming up on a hear and all myself, god and the devil have heard is crickets
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Sam J21:56:25 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
@daniellarimer
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Roman CryptoLions21:58:21 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
defining true and false is ambigous and/or impossible, especially if reality is that we are all characters in a holodeck.
I don't see how anyone can go on if they give up "true" / "false" as totally ambiguous. There are degrees of certainty, and predictive validity. Holodeck or not, the ability to predict the future is enough to give weight to the terms.
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shizzl.e22:03:09 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
ColinTalksCrypto
Not sure what you are talking about. I don't follow BPs blindly. I think the 4% fund should be removed and the reasons given (if any) for not doing so are not valid reasons to go against 99.8% referendum support for removing the 4% savings account.
EOS is amazing... i love how it’s evolving and changing faster than easily comprehensible... wow... 98% referendum only matters if its decided by the BP’s (under pressure of the community) The fact the referendum will expire should not make anyone feel in a hurry to make a decision... another one can easily be made... the conversation needs to be had, we are a community... Something else thats been in the back of my mind, if a referendum is passed to BP’s to vote, and it gets to like 8/15... the others feel peer pressure to go with it because they may be judged. If something doesn’t pass and the community wants it, they will be persecuted. Doesn’t mean they would be wrong tho!
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Cosmos22:04:00 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
RomanCryptoLions
I don't see how anyone can go on if they give up "true" / "false" as totally ambiguous. There are degrees of certainty, and predictive validity. Holodeck or not, the ability to predict the future is enough to give weight to the terms.
There are no absolutes. We see what we want to see.
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hadrian22:05:16 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Cosmos
There are no absolutes in this creating univers. We see what we want to see. The absolutes lie in the stillness.
Absolutely no absolutes?
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shizzl.e22:08:34 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
We dont want sheep
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Gandalf22:11:56 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
RomanCryptoLions
I don't see how anyone can go on if they give up "true" / "false" as totally ambiguous. There are degrees of certainty, and predictive validity. Holodeck or not, the ability to predict the future is enough to give weight to the terms.
go read Hegel. reason is a deadend, although a very important tool in its own plane. true is false and vice versa, you fool
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Bear in a Suit22:17:46 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
https://twitter.com/LukeYoungblood/status/1122688235103068166?s=19
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Mike Alvez22:18:27 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
would you guys vote for a BP thats located in Cuba?
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greywings22:19:20 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
exckor
would you guys vote for a BP thats located in Cuba?
I dont think Cuba's internet infrastructure will be good.enough
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greywings22:20:08 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
exckor
would you guys vote for a BP thats located in Cuba?
How offen do you run out of electricity?
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Clay Albright (EOS USA)22:22:34 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Something to consider... Dan lost his first two chains to governance related issues. Bitshares became slow to adopt new tech. Steemit was harpooned by Ned. So, the number one thing that EOSIO does is separate the technology from the Governance. This way Dan can no longer lose his hard work to a community that has been harpooned, or gamed, or slow to adopt. So since EOS is being gamed in a huge way right now....BEOS is born! BEOS will have an approved list of BP's. Telos was born the same way. They all use the same tech. All this to be said, if EOS doesn't get it's stuff together, then another chain will become the default chain. How many companies will trust a top 21 that is propped up by exchanges in a bidding war for votes. I'm becoming more and more chain agnostic because ultimately i'm going to go where the governance is balanced. and so will you. thoughts?
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Golden Joon Moon Buddha 🚀EOS,BTC22:23:57 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
Maternal instincts are selfless
Doesn't classify as selfless act. Child contains mother's DNA. Mothers instinctively see children as parts of themselves. Therefore, maternal instincts become selfish by nature.
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shizzl.e22:25:49 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
ClayAlbright
Something to consider... Dan lost his first two chains to governance related issues. Bitshares became slow to adopt new tech. Steemit was harpooned by Ned. So, the number one thing that EOSIO does is separate the technology from the Governance. This way Dan can no longer lose his hard work to a community that has been harpooned, or gamed, or slow to adopt. So since EOS is being gamed in a huge way right now....BEOS is born! BEOS will have an approved list of BP's. Telos was born the same way. They all use the same tech. All this to be said, if EOS doesn't get it's stuff together, then another chain will become the default chain. How many companies will trust a top 21 that is propped up by exchanges in a bidding war for votes. I'm becoming more and more chain agnostic because ultimately i'm going to go where the governance is balanced. and so will you. thoughts?
EOS will adapt as needed, thats what ive always seen in it... thats why im interested to contribute
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GoogleDark🇺🇸22:26:14 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
go read Hegel. reason is a deadend, although a very important tool in its own plane. true is false and vice versa, you fool
Order operates, and chaos creates and pushes forward. Order would be stagnation (dead end) without chaos, but chaos would self destruct without order. The best mix seems to be mostly order for stability with a little bit of chaos to prevent stagnation.
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Gandalf22:27:13 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
for every credit there must be a debt
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Gandalf22:27:34 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
every idea needs it opposite to manifest
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Gandalf22:28:08 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
seeking truth is seeking this balance within
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marf22:28:18 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
here we go
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Gandalf22:28:33 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
420 blaze it
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marf22:28:42 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
my man!
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shizzl.e22:28:47 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
every idea needs it opposite to manifest
eosuilibrium
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PaulyC22:28:50 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
bear_in_a_suit
https://twitter.com/LukeYoungblood/status/1122688235103068166?s=19
So the argument against this is what EOS Cafe said in the thread regarding finality vs block time?
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GoogleDark🇺🇸22:29:12 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Constant perfect balance? That doesn’t happen
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Gandalf22:29:13 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
BostonRiver
Order operates, and chaos creates and pushes forward. Order would be stagnation (dead end) without chaos, but chaos would self destruct without order. The best mix seems to be mostly order for stability with a little bit of chaos to prevent stagnation.
yea just reach me out in PM so we dont bloat this chat with alchemy
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marf22:29:58 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
talk like that is only gonna encourage dan, we’re tryin get him into rehab
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GoogleDark🇺🇸22:31:24 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
marf1n
talk like that is only gonna encourage dan, we’re tryin get him into rehab
Alchemy not alcohol
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Cosmos22:32:11 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
BostonRiver
Constant perfect balance? That doesn’t happen
Doesn't need to..... you would have no movement and the system would cease to exist in a perfectly balanced system. The goal is that when one force is proponderant, an opposite force is created to build up counterbalance in the system. The dynamic state will always seek stillness until its initial impetus is replayed to express itself once again in perpetuity.
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Roman CryptoLions22:32:35 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Cosmos
There are no absolutes in this creating univers. We see what we want to see. The absolutes lie in the stillness.
No one is talking absolutes. As I said - "degrees of certainty". Imprecision does not render all measures and values meaningless.
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Roman CryptoLions22:33:14 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
go read Hegel. reason is a deadend, although a very important tool in its own plane. true is false and vice versa, you fool
no
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Gandalf22:33:17 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
BostonRiver
Constant perfect balance? That doesn’t happen
the untrained mind is not perfect
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wilfra | marketcap.one22:33:20 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
exckor
would you guys vote for a BP thats located in Cuba?
I wouldn’t not vote for a BP because they were based in Cuba.
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Gandalf22:33:44 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
RomanCryptoLions
no
fool
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Gandalf22:34:05 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
🤡
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Cosmos22:34:18 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
RomanCryptoLions
No one is talking absolutes. As I said - "degrees of certainty". Imprecision does not render all measures and values meaningless.
the abiliy to predict the future is about timing. Eventually all things have the ability to come true. Isn't it just a matter of timing?
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Roman CryptoLions22:35:07 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
He is a shell game bw imprecission and meaninglessness.
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GoogleDark🇺🇸22:35:08 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Cosmos
Doesn't need to..... you would have no movement and the system would cease to exist in a perfectly balanced system. The goal is that when one force is proponderant, an opposite force is created to build up counterbalance in the system. The dynamic state will always seek stillness until its initial impetus is replayed to express itself once again in perpetuity.
Then there’s another plane order & chaos is on top of.
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Roman CryptoLions22:35:25 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Not the same.
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Clay Albright (EOS USA)22:35:28 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
shizzl_e
EOS will adapt as needed, thats what ive always seen in it... thats why im interested to contribute
this is my hope as well. my gut says that June's B1 announcement will be about paying EOS token holders to vote by using funds from a decentralized exchange located on their sidechain! Just a guess! :)
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Clay Albright (EOS USA)22:36:26 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
the tokens would come off the exchanges so damn fast! Whew!
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GoogleDark🇺🇸22:38:13 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Cosmos
Doesn't need to..... you would have no movement and the system would cease to exist in a perfectly balanced system. The goal is that when one force is proponderant, an opposite force is created to build up counterbalance in the system. The dynamic state will always seek stillness until its initial impetus is replayed to express itself once again in perpetuity.
Where did you get this from?
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Cosmos22:38:37 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
my life
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GoogleDark🇺🇸22:39:17 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Is it in audiobook format?
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Golden Joon Moon Buddha 🚀EOS,BTC22:39:32 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
ClayAlbright
the tokens would come off the exchanges so damn fast! Whew!
1:1 to stake. Would definitely pull mine for that. Probably a pipe dream
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Cosmos22:40:34 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
BostonRiver
Is it in audiobook format?
lol I can yell really loud but I don't think you would hear me
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GoogleDark🇺🇸22:41:52 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
I’ll come to you if there’s a 15 second rewind button
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Sagarmatha22:42:08 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
ClayAlbright
this is my hope as well. my gut says that June's B1 announcement will be about paying EOS token holders to vote by using funds from a decentralized exchange located on their sidechain! Just a guess! :)
So they can put the funds of the dex in the rexpool, thats it :)
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GoogleDark🇺🇸22:42:32 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
“I like to read audiobooks” -Joe Rogan 2018
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marf22:51:32 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
admin can i post an article?
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marf22:51:46 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
eos related on medium
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marf22:53:56 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
https://medium.com/emanate-live/preparing-for-lift-off-2e68b873b23e ^^
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Gandalf22:57:06 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
👏👏
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Mika22:58:11 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
When will I be able to lend out my EOS on REX and how much % will I get?
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marf22:58:46 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
theres no proper numbers out yet just bitter speculation
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Mika22:59:16 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
But REX is live now right?
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PaulyC23:00:21 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Mika
But REX is live now right?
Not yet, almost. I also wouldn’t anticipate a high % yet
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Mika23:00:45 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
paulyc
Not yet, almost. I also wouldn’t anticipate a high % yet
Yeah, because I cant imagine there is that much demand to borrow EOS yet
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shizzl.e23:04:31 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Mika
When will I be able to lend out my EOS on REX and how much % will I get?
No idea obviously... haha. But if I had to guess, id say 0.03% pm
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Larry Sanger23:06:52 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
https://mobile.twitter.com/lsanger/status/1122992493128241152
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Cosmos23:14:16 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Dan +1
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Zhimin Zou23:27:03 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
check out my personal project: a connect 3+ PVP game where you can bet BLC tokens against players. https://www.blockcoined.com No EOS required! Enjoy!
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Kram23:36:48 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
yes... however, not beleiving in gravity can have consequences so it is wise to believe in it
gravity is said to be a frequency.... with magnetic waves and the right frequency , things start to levitate
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Kram23:37:40 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
hutchinson effect !
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M L23:43:10 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
luerble
So they can put the funds of the dex in the rexpool, thats it :)
Ain’t gonna happen. Newdex is our dex, guys
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M L23:44:13 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
We’ve gotta stop looking for the big guys to do something. We have hardworking indigenous developers here and good projects. Let’s support them with out time and capital
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Fuzzy23:46:11 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
RDNtrader
We’ve gotta stop looking for the big guys to do something. We have hardworking indigenous developers here and good projects. Let’s support them with our time and capital
This is why @stakemine exists. Let real working projects get rewarded by saving substantially on costs
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Fuzzy23:47:25 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Its also why we have community volunteers like @Costacrypto and @bluabaleno hosting endless dappathons in the @endlessdapps channel
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Fuzzy23:47:37 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
No need to rely on anyone but one another
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Old Man23:47:43 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
am I allowed to hoard and resell at a profit?
Unique/live human ID system - one account per warm body
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Fuzzy23:47:46 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
And help the big guys in the process ☺️
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Matt 🙈 Trybe.one I WORBLI.io23:48:00 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
🙌😊
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Matt 🙈 Trybe.one I WORBLI.io23:48:18 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
just happy to be here
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Fuzzy23:48:46 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Costacrypto
🙌😊
I think u know u deserve it...but if not i gotta plug u anyway.
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Fuzzy23:48:59 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
U deserve it...that is for sure bro.
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Fuzzy23:53:29 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Then off into the sunset...
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Fuzzy23:53:58 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Off to find the mythical voltron
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Orca The Dolphin23:55:01 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
SirFuzzalot
lambo 2018
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Gandalf23:55:15 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Old Man
Unique/live human ID - one account per warm body
so inflation would fund KYC solutions? I dare you sell that idea to this community
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Fuzzy23:56:05 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
OrcaTheWhale
lambo 2018
Greaaaat point.
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Fuzzy23:58:11 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
so inflation would fund KYC solutions? I dare you sell that idea to this community
Inflation should fund competitions for the things we need...imo. That way we get to choose the solutions as a community...and from projects that are for sure finished and surrounded by competition
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Gandalf23:58:50 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
choose how
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Fuzzy23:58:55 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Or of course new chains that focus specifically on this stuff
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Gandalf23:59:22 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
new chains cant solve all problems
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Gandalf23:59:26 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
it will saturate eventually
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Fuzzy23:59:33 - 29 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
choose how
Atm the only tool we have is stake weightef voting tmk
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Fuzzy00:00:04 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
it will saturate eventually
If new chains dont end up being necessary for their primary purpose they will specialize further or fail
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Fuzzy00:00:09 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Just like with all things
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Gandalf00:00:28 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
steem lesson is that stake weighted ONLY isnt good for governance and decisions about how to allocate inflation
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Fuzzy00:00:51 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
steem lesson is that stake weighted ONLY isnt good for governance and decisions about how to allocate inflation
I think that is part of steems lesson
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Gandalf00:01:03 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
ye agreed
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Fuzzy00:01:09 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
The other is not to have a chain majority owned by a single man
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Gandalf00:02:02 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
single man or single entity of common interest makes little difference, man...
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Fuzzy00:02:02 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Especially when that man has no clue that censoring things on his social media chain only makes himself and the rest of blockchain look ridiculous
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Fuzzy00:02:16 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
single man or single entity of common interest makes little difference, man...
I somewhat agree.
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Fuzzy00:02:51 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
At least when there is a single entity with many people with equal stake...they wont always agree and can serve as checks on one another
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Fuzzy00:03:26 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Imo steem was the single best sociap experiment for funding self censorship to exist...but i digress
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Gandalf00:03:34 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
theres no guarantee they will decide on good use of inflation tho
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Fuzzy00:04:12 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
SirFuzzalot
Inflation should fund competitions for the things we need...imo. That way we get to choose the solutions as a community...and from projects that are for sure finished and surrounded by competition
See this response ☺️
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Gandalf00:04:14 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
i really hope the so called id solution will be made public in june, but I digress
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Gandalf00:04:30 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
SirFuzzalot
Inflation should fund competitions for the things we need...imo. That way we get to choose the solutions as a community...and from projects that are for sure finished and surrounded by competition
"we get to choose", no we dont
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Gandalf00:04:41 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
and you know we dont
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Fuzzy00:04:43 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
This is what im for: a number of options
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Gandalf00:04:44 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
not us the plebs
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Ernie D.00:04:48 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
So BP are now rejecting the will of the people 😳 What the hell is going . Is my vote useless
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Gandalf00:05:03 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Dickystar
So BP are now rejecting the will of the people 😳 What the hell is going . Is my vote useless
yes it is, unless you are top20 holder
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Fuzzy00:05:07 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
and you know we dont
I didnt recommend that ...only said its presently our only option
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Gandalf00:05:18 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
then your vote is very very valuble and people will suck your dick for your vote
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Fuzzy00:05:30 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Unlesssss im wrong in which case im confident someone can correct mr
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Gandalf00:05:32 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
but i digress
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Fuzzy00:05:45 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
then your vote is very very valuble and people will suck your dick for your vote
Wellllll hard to deny that digression
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Fuzzy00:05:53 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
I was personally asked to suck some.
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Gandalf00:06:04 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
SirFuzzalot
Unlesssss im wrong in which case im confident someone can correct mr
youre not its just the "we" part that I pointed out
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Fuzzy00:06:10 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
I preferred the other option
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Gandalf00:06:12 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
theres no we
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Troi Bryan | BEAN Token Economy |00:06:16 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Which scenario is more likely... 1. someone wants to transfer me 30,000 EOS to invest in the EOS Cafe DAC, or 2. someone is trying to hack me?
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Gandalf00:06:19 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
🤡
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Fuzzy00:06:23 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
theres no we
Yes and no
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Gandalf00:06:29 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
we are just a bunch of fools being played
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Fuzzy00:06:33 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
As long as we have a voice...we have a we.
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Fuzzy00:06:43 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
But...ur point should not be ignored
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Gandalf00:06:53 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
SirFuzzalot
As long as we have a voice...we have a we.
voice is stake, you said it yourself man
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Gandalf00:06:59 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
stake weight is the only tool
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Gandalf00:07:04 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
"voice" is meaningless
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Gandalf00:07:22 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
like what we are doing here right now
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Gandalf00:07:29 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
just useless rambling
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Fuzzy00:07:34 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Its why i told worbli if they do kyc aml i want people to control their info and only have to voluntarily use it when dapps need it and prompt users...and users believe its in their self interest
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Gandalf00:07:34 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
no offense
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Fuzzy00:07:54 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
"voice" is meaningless
Its not meaningless or u would not be here talking about it
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Fuzzy00:08:09 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
A voice is the precursor to teaching others
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Fuzzy00:08:20 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
When others learn they can begin to act
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Gandalf00:08:27 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
may be :/
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Fuzzy00:08:45 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
may be :/
Trust me bro...im not unempathetic to that plight
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Gandalf00:08:53 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
perhaps PoS is not suitable for the real world of human fuckery
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Fuzzy00:09:18 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
As a matter if fact...had i jot been censored and attacked on steem...stakemine would have existed there in its first form along with cross chain tokens
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Fuzzy00:09:36 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
perhaps PoS is not suitable for the real world of human fuckery
Im thinking about this problem heavily
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Fuzzy00:09:53 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Perhaps we can dm about it at some point and u can poke holes into it 😉
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Gandalf00:10:19 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
sure Fuzzy, we've been there
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Gandalf00:10:22 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
hahahah
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Fuzzy00:10:35 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Lets just say though...i think there are solutions 😉
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ZeroPointThree00:10:45 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
When Rex?
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Steve Smith00:11:11 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Gandalf
"voice" is meaningless
One person one vote is needed to address the whale voice IMO. BPs have one entity one vote, when it comes to 15/21 decisions.
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Gandalf00:15:20 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
BPs pull the trigger but the gun is owned by someone else
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Gandalf00:15:39 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
id may be part of solution but may not be the answer
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Branden Espinoza | StrongBlock00:17:57 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Aneta_EOS
What exactly?
A blockchain is only as good as the data that goes into it. If an organization wanted to create the illusion of accountability without any of the substance a blockchain is just what the devil ordered. immutable, undeniable “proof” that the public can’t refute… because muh blockchains. Example: DoD before blockchain: “We cannot account for $2.3 Trillion dollars in transactions.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-F5NKAMdFc DoD after blockchain: “Just look at the blockchain, that’s your source of “truth”, (suckers).”
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Steve Smith00:18:03 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Yes, we don’t know the full implications. There is a perspective that whales are here because they have a way to gain a bigger voice. They may just leave if that power is Diminished. Either way, the only way to mitigate whale influence is to break the connection between stake and vote weight
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Steve Smith00:18:36 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
espinbrand
A blockchain is only as good as the data that goes into it. If an organization wanted to create the illusion of accountability without any of the substance a blockchain is just what the devil ordered. immutable, undeniable “proof” that the public can’t refute… because muh blockchains. Example: DoD before blockchain: “We cannot account for $2.3 Trillion dollars in transactions.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-F5NKAMdFc DoD after blockchain: “Just look at the blockchain, that’s your source of “truth”, (suckers).”
True
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Steve Smith00:19:52 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Anyway, people only want the truth then they are disadvantaged, or feel hard done by. Outside of that, they are happy to look the other way
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biteos00:21:24 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
the road to hell is paved by blockchains with good intentions 😉
hope it's not paved with eos blocks😂
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Gandalf00:39:52 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
smiffo
Yes, we don’t know the full implications. There is a perspective that whales are here because they have a way to gain a bigger voice. They may just leave if that power is Diminished. Either way, the only way to mitigate whale influence is to break the connection between stake and vote weight
yes they will furiously sell their stake if they feel like it 😂
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Alex QSI00:40:01 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
ram soar
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Moreno EOS00:45:56 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
I don’t claim my eos but I see this in my account in eospark I have ?
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Jabur00:56:18 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Hey guys, i'm building something u'll all enjoy:
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Bai00:59:18 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Alex QSI
ram soar
Give it up 😅
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Fuzzy01:02:33 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhoTkCOsxkI&feature=youtu.be
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Fuzzy01:03:34 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
the road to hell is paved by blockchains with good intentions 😉
Id like clarification on "blockchain"
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Daniel Larimer01:10:09 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
MacroSam
Lots of talk prelaunch on multithreading and IBC. Coming up on a year and all myself, god and the devil have heard is crickets
We are still working on this. The past year has been about stability and infrastructure
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Tequila01:12:25 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Is ipfs integration and decentralized hosting still in play
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Mike Alvez01:17:15 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Dan quick question, I’m curious but who did you meet first, Vitalik or Charles
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Mike Alvez01:17:30 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
and what year did you meet
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Kenny | eoswriter.io01:18:04 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
https://www.eoswriter.io/1991_emanate-preparing-for-lift-off.eos
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Daniel Larimer01:18:48 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
With 1.8 we have our first consensus upgrade since launch. It sets in place a foundation to grow.
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Daniel Larimer01:19:04 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
exckor
Dan quick question, I’m curious but who did you meet first, Vitalik or Charles
Charles
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Jabur01:20:43 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
https://twitter.com/jabur_guilherme/status/1123029935902416896?s=21
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Mike Alvez01:22:24 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
cool
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Mike Alvez01:22:48 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
you guys remind me of the early beef gates and steve had
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Mike Alvez01:23:06 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
competition is always good 👍🏼
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R8 - everything is an altcoin01:23:54 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
Charles
What about Justin? 🙃 Have you ever met him? Or more importantly do you see Tron as a competitor or just a fly by night project that B1 doesn't have to worry about?
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R8 - everything is an altcoin01:25:31 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
da fak...
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David He01:26:45 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
@daniellarimer , how do you think about this proposal? https://eeps.io/EEPS/eep-6. is it in accordance with your IBC design?
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Michael Gaio | MythicSystems.com01:32:08 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
is EOS Storage available and ready to use ?
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Ernie D.01:35:11 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
If community forked EOS. Which one would block one use to build their dapps
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Ernie D.01:35:47 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
🧐#
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Zack | Everything EOS | LiquidApps.io01:36:11 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Lollll
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Fuzzy01:39:08 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Wont be when those icos start running from the popos ;)
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GoogleDark🇺🇸01:40:49 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Is that an sec joke? 😂
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Johny Tepus01:41:09 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Guys, can u recommend me a good wallet for EOS? Thanks
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GoogleDark🇺🇸01:42:41 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
https://github.com/greymass/eos-voter
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PaulyC01:44:20 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
With 1.8 we have our first consensus upgrade since launch. It sets in place a foundation to grow.
Consensus upgrade?
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Bai01:51:03 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Golden_Buddha
Doesn't classify as selfless act. Child contains mother's DNA. Mothers instinctively see children as parts of themselves. Therefore, maternal instincts become selfish by nature.
This.
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TheEffected ~01:52:58 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
hadrianBTS
https://t.me/effectai/256739 I found this ( TheEffected ) But I'd recommend using address/key index 0 for the active key and 1 for the owner key if you're worried about falling for a scam which changes your keys if you're not careful/knowledgeable. Then remove the owner one from scatter.
Appreciate all your help hadrian. Thanks a million!
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John Wick01:55:50 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1123033196642201600
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John Wick01:56:57 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Elon coin will be on ethereum! You heard it here first!
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Michael Gaio | MythicSystems.com01:57:16 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
he said "jk"
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Michael Gaio | MythicSystems.com01:58:04 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
i hope Elon is joking
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John Wick01:58:20 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
he is not, but his lawyers told him to add "jk"
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Gandalf01:59:26 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
lol good guy elon pampin bags
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Zack | Everything EOS | LiquidApps.io02:05:27 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
This is big
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Michael Gaio | MythicSystems.com02:06:59 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
BlockchainZack
^ interesting
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Steve Smith02:08:57 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
BlockchainZack
Nice
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Fuzzy02:15:37 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
johnwickedly
he is not, but his lawyers told him to add "jk"
Indeed.
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DataJunky | GenerEOS02:16:31 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Check this beauty out http://mtblock.io/
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Michael Gaio | MythicSystems.com02:19:47 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Datajunky
LOL
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CapitalistPig02:20:31 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
daniellarimer
Basically, a social currency that is awarded to those who do selfless things... except it probably works better as status in an organization
I dont see anything wrong in the persuit of financial gain. The problem i see is greed and corruption. We need a moral society where those who have gained the most want to build parks, libraries etc for the public good. Rather than engaging in the community we see some of the wealthy detach themselves and perpetuate this have/have not mentality. just my 2 cents.
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Fuzzy02:29:16 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
capitalistpig
I dont see anything wrong in the persuit of financial gain. The problem i see is greed and corruption. We need a moral society where those who have gained the most want to build parks, libraries etc for the public good. Rather than engaging in the community we see some of the wealthy detach themselves and perpetuate this have/have not mentality. just my 2 cents.
Systems must be designed to help reduce these
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Chijioke / Financialfreedomcj02:31:16 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Dickystar
If community forked EOS. Which one would block one use to build their dapps
One already exists that is close to the original version. I hope Block One checks it out. It is called Telos (TLOS). I personally believe it has all the things we were promised on EOS and much more; on-chain Arbitration and the arbitrators are elected by the community, Worker Proposal System, cheap resources, curbing the power of Block Producers with inverse voting and minimum requirements to ensure network stability, referendum voting from token holders that cannot be ignored by Block Producers, etc. I could go on and on but you get my point. This is the EOSIO chain by the people, of the people and for the people!
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Fuzzy02:31:37 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Incentives rule the world and design lays the path for proper incentives. But even then corruption will always come as a result of any system where greed is involved (all economic systems)
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Zack | Everything EOS | LiquidApps.io02:32:56 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
BlockchainZack
This + REX = super cheap resources for dApps to consume on behalf of their users
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Fuzzy02:33:00 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
The best u can do is 1p1v imo and then u need to give control of users over their own identity. IE allow people to vote in a way that validates real unique person
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Fuzzy02:33:22 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Without giving away the person or their vote
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Fuzzy02:34:05 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
And make it so those producing blocks are chosen less by vanity metrics and more by objective measurements that align with their duties
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Cosmos02:34:07 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
BlockchainZack
This + REX = super cheap resources for dApps to consume on behalf of their users
🤙
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Fuzzy02:35:01 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Otherwise u will have people working off the subjective vanity metrics and colluding to create cabals.
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Fuzzy02:36:59 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
BlockchainZack
This + REX = super cheap resources for dApps to consume on behalf of their users
Cheaper bandwidth means more dapps.
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Fuzzy02:37:12 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Or at least more opportunity for them.
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Shrek02:47:04 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
BlockchainZack
ezClap
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Fuzzy02:47:47 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
lIllIIIIlllIlIl
ezClap
Claps arent already easy enough? 😂
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Fuzzy02:48:03 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
"Introducing the easyclap" ☺️
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Fuzzy02:48:24 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]
Late nite infomercials will never be the same
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