EOS Telegram Channel History

Adam18:08:21 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Warren Buffetti

Everything is going down

...some more than others

Tequila18:08:25 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

So tell me, why does eos.io not list any wallets?

HD18:09:50 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

thetasigma137

...some more than others

EOS has bigger beta than others

Adam18:10:35 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS has bigger beta than others

Sure.

Tequila18:10:50 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Eos needs a site similar to bitcoin.org

Tequila18:11:00 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

And not at all like bitcoin.com

HD18:11:11 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

We need to level up our network effect. We have to educate developers and get them to develop on our OS

Warren Buffetti18:11:34 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

thetasigma137

...some more than others

True, but now is the time for people to consider if they really believe in the projects or not.

HD18:11:37 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

More DApps, more adoption. While marketing ourselves

Adam18:11:39 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Eos needs a site similar to bitcoin.org

eos needs to be decentralised 🤔

victornor18:12:37 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

thetasigma137

eos needs to be decentralised 🤔

You need to do some research lol

Tequila18:12:54 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Can some trusted community figure step up and make a damn website that endorses wallets and helps noobs

Tequila18:13:15 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If tequila is the champion that the community needs....

Warren Buffetti18:13:20 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

thetasigma137

eos needs to be decentralised 🤔

You serious? LOL

victornor18:13:54 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Can some trusted community figure step up and make a damn website that endorses wallets and helps noobs

eostoolkit.io + scatter :)

Tequila18:14:16 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Well I shouldn’t have to come here to find this

Tequila18:14:27 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It should be listed on eos.io

Tequila18:14:38 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

The first place everyone comes when they are looking for eos stuff

Dhammabrother18:14:39 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Did you Guys see the latest article on those 27 frozen accounts?

Dhammabrother18:14:54 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Probably placed here already

Dhammabrother18:15:07 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

http://penguincoinforum.com/news/eos-eos-freezes-27-accounts-but-what-caused-the-ban/44/

Tequila18:15:26 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Back in 2017 I got you guys to update your website so it didn’t look like a 90s porn site

Tequila18:15:41 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Let’s up our game further and start telling people the info they want to know most

Daniel Larimer18:15:48 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Show me a mainnet that didn’t have hiccups and I’ll give you a sandwich.

Lol

Deliz Sieg18:16:30 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Lol

what do you think of my questions ? That a huge percent of BPs are on AWS AND GOOGLE?

Alex Pec18:16:30 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Dan i love you (in platonic sense 🤣🤣😂😂😂)

Jeff W18:16:31 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Show me a mainnet that didn’t have hiccups and I’ll give you a sandwich.

I can haz sandwich?

Persi Goody18:16:35 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Show me a mainnet that didn’t have hiccups and I’ll give you a sandwich.

GOF OVERLORD18:16:38 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sir

Tequila18:16:39 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Dan, wallets on eos.io.... thoughts

GOF OVERLORD18:17:04 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jsw513

I can haz sandwich?

im hungry too

Persi Goody18:17:11 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Took eth a while to get right

GOF OVERLORD18:17:18 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i was promised EOS was folliwng ETH fractal

GOF OVERLORD18:17:26 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i have been lead along the garden path

Persi Goody18:17:46 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Eosadd must be Chinese, I can't read their site 😂

Tequila18:17:52 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Also, who owns eos.io?

Tequila18:17:56 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Block one?

Sandwich18:19:18 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Block one?

yes

Tequila18:19:42 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Well damn it, alright what website should I buy

Rugo18:19:46 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Lol

Hi Dan, will your IOS wallet cover iPhone 6? I bought an iPhone just for the wallet, hope it will.

Daniel Larimer18:20:05 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Touch ID?

Tequila18:20:21 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I’ll list all the wallets that I feel are non-terrible and keep everyone updated

Alex Pec18:20:44 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Rugo

Hi Dan, will your IOS wallet cover iPhone 6? I bought an iPhone just for the wallet, hope it will.

Yes cover from iphone6

Daniel Larimer18:21:38 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

All phones that support most recent iOS and have touch or Face ID

Neel Raizada18:21:41 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Touch ID?

Any Idea why Binance still not releasing

Mr. Cypher18:24:13 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hi guys, any idea when exchanges will resume deposits and withdraws? Thanks

Travis King18:27:45 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

So I have an eos account public/private address (not erc20 address) but because I had 0 eos balance on main net launch, i have no account name. Is that eos address dead because it had 0 balance on launch? I ask because i received a eosdac airdrop on it

Bitcoinguy18:29:50 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

@Any Admin I wanna setup EOS wallet using eostoolkit.io or scatter, but eos from exchange and store there. Is there anything worth doing/observing before doing that?

Harsh Tongya18:30:16 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

MrCypher

Hi guys, any idea when exchanges will resume deposits and withdraws? Thanks

bitfinex has enabled

Mr. Cypher18:30:55 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Aichtae

bitfinex has enabled

👍🏼

Tequila18:31:08 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

How do I go about getting a custom account name?

Bitcoinguy18:31:30 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I wanna setup EOS wallet with eostoolkit or scatter and buy eos to store there. Is there anything worth doing or observing?

Tequila18:31:32 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I know they are auctioned, but how many are auctioned per day?

Rugo18:31:46 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

All phones that support most recent iOS and have touch or Face ID

Thank you!!!!

Harsh Tongya18:31:56 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Cryptoguy1122

I wanna setup EOS wallet with eostoolkit or scatter and buy eos to store there. Is there anything worth doing or observing?

buy ram as well

Rugo18:32:20 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

alexpec

Yes cover from iphone6

Thanks

Bitcoinguy18:34:23 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Aichtae

buy ram as well

Where can I buy it. Is ram liken to Gas in Neo platform?

ButtHole18:34:34 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Is EOS cleaning up the blockchain space?

lil2good18:35:10 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Where can I buy eos and send to wallet ?

Jack_the_Crypter18:35:21 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Anyone use the wallet Scattellte??

lil2good18:35:40 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Jack_the_Crypter

Anyone use the wallet Scattellte??

wth is that lol

Jack_the_Crypter18:36:06 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It goes with Scatter to.send and recieve eos

Jack_the_Crypter18:36:20 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Just no https, its http

Crypto TK18:36:36 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

From some commentors it sounded as thoufh IDAX is US based.

ButtHole18:37:58 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

lil2good

Where can I buy eos and send to wallet ?

Kraken I think has mainnet coins

Mr. Cypher18:39:40 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Aichtae

bitfinex has enabled

Can i just tranfer from MEW?

Bas Urlings18:40:19 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Where and how can I access my EOS, I registered the ERC20 address, have the private and public key, but where can I find the EOS now?

Harsh Tongya18:40:36 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

MrCypher

Can i just tranfer from MEW?

no, thsoe tokens are frozen, they have no value. wont ransfer

ButtHole18:40:49 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

bas_urlings

Where and how can I access my EOS, I registered the ERC20 address, have the private and public key, but where can I find the EOS now?

Eosflare.io

Jack_the_Crypter18:40:49 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Anyone know why i would be restricted from sending media here until July 7??

ButtHole18:40:54 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Use public key

Harsh Tongya18:41:34 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Cryptoguy1122

Where can I buy it. Is ram liken to Gas in Neo platform?

youll have to do a bit of reasearch, there are a lot of walelts and tools for buying ram , serach for eos tools

Bitcoinguy18:43:02 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Aichtae

youll have to do a bit of reasearch, there are a lot of walelts and tools for buying ram , serach for eos tools

Ok thanks

Bas Urlings18:43:13 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

BlackHole

Eosflare.io

This is only for voting? So actually you can not trade or move your new EOS now or what is the case? Do you “need” to vote in order to get your EOS?

ButtHole18:44:30 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

bas_urlings

This is only for voting? So actually you can not trade or move your new EOS now or what is the case? Do you “need” to vote in order to get your EOS?

U will need to find a wallet u trust. I use Grey mass

GOF OVERLORD18:44:54 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

im hungry

Rafael Hermoso18:45:46 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Me eos has been on binance... what is the deal when can I move it?

Sandwich18:46:47 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

goldencatpat

im hungry

be hungrier

GOF OVERLORD18:46:53 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

halp

Rafael Hermoso18:46:58 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I hear the MainNet is active but I’m not seeing it :/

GOF OVERLORD18:47:04 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i can haz sanwich?

Rafael Hermoso18:47:13 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Where are my MainNet tokens?

Neel Raizada18:47:16 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ham sandwich mmmm

Bas Urlings18:55:17 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

BlackHole

U will need to find a wallet u trust. I use Grey mass

Thnx! What happens if I don’t vote at all, the tokens will never be “worthless” right?

David de Cardenas18:55:27 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Can anyone explain to me why tokens are inherently integral to the idea of Dapps

Tevulop18:58:10 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ddecarde

Can anyone explain to me why tokens are inherently integral to the idea of Dapps

They aren't, its more like a membership 1 token allows access to dapps. No reason to have more than one unless you want to be a block producer to get the inflation, and allow membership I.e. 1 eos to be cheaper for new customers.

John Mambo18:59:03 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Baconbits124

I hear the MainNet is active but I’m not seeing it :/

http://eosnetworkmonitor.io/#home

John Mambo19:01:12 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Baconbits124

I hear the MainNet is active but I’m not seeing it :/

You heard... ?! Eos is not such a mystery. All you have to do is hit that search button on google once you typed in your question

t c19:01:24 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

How much is EON worth?

https://franksquaretech.blogspot.in19:02:09 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://youtu.be/UEmm2O-tCts

Autocad India Autolisp Architecture19:02:41 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://youtu.be/UEmm2O-tCts

Xat19:03:22 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Haaatttttps://cointelegraph.com/press-releases/infinito-wallet-is-the-first-universal-wallet-supporting-eos-mainnet

Xat19:03:22 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

What wallets do you recommend?

Xat19:03:31 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Eos mobile wallet where? When?

Xat19:03:36 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Eos Ubuntu wallet where?

Falling Water19:05:38 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

docker run -it eosio/eos:latest /bin/bash

Xat19:06:39 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Is it A gui wallet?

Roland Ramos19:11:56 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DO YOU HAVE A PC OR MOBILE PHONE? GOOD INTERNET CONNECTION? YOU CAN EARN NICE AMOUNTS OF BITCOINS DAILY, IF INTERESTED PM ME.

j4n k419:12:38 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hey hey hey 😄

Nguyen Thanh Tung19:18:21 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I've just got the EOSDAC tokens on the mainnet 🙂

CryptoGuru19:21:00 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

What about the rest of the airdrops

Nguyen Thanh Tung19:22:49 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

cleos --url https://mainnet.eoscanada.com get table eosdactokens ${your_accountname} accounts { "rows": [{ "balance": "xxx EOSDAC" } ], "more": false }

Paul19:24:46 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I have not had any complaints on EOS, but ECAF needs to provide reasonings on the freeze. I have enough of that crap with my own government not being transparent. When do we find out? I wanna know as a token holder. Other then that, im good with EOS and have been happy

Tequila19:24:47 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

So eosdac announces their airdrop, 30 mins later tokens are in the account.

Tequila19:25:24 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Does anyone miss ethereum

Paul19:27:22 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Does anyone miss ethereum

No lol. Though it is what got me into crypto. The idea of a world computer.

Danny Patience19:32:12 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Paul

Don't ask questions, they might freeze you as well. 😁

Mouse19:33:43 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS for the community! Ha ha

Matthew Zammit19:33:59 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS was the easiest short of my life

Xat19:34:11 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Eos to the moon

Xat19:34:25 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Please what Eos wallet should I use?

Dhammabrother19:34:40 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

There is an article on EOS Freezing on penguincoinforum. Anyone read it?

Mouse19:35:22 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Dhammabrother

There is an article on EOS Freezing on penguincoinforum. Anyone read it?

Yeah, seems 27 accounts were frozen because they were hacked!

鑫夏

鑫精夏19:39:35 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

看不懂

鑫夏

鑫精夏19:40:07 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

有中国的币友吗

CommunistPart MafiaGroup19:41:31 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

鑫精夏

有中国的币友吗

@eosfanscn

CommunistPart MafiaGroup19:42:04 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

鑫精夏

有中国的币友吗

去中文群搜eosfanscn

MR REY19:42:23 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Bendaone

scamcoin, buy tron or cardano. much better 🌚

Tron is scammers mom

Joze Benko19:44:55 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Is true that eos freeze 27 accounts?

Mouse19:45:26 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Joze Benko

Is true that eos freeze 27 accounts?

Yes, is post the link but it would be removed by admin!

Filip Nizioł19:45:31 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

What happened to EOS developers group?

Filip Nizioł19:45:42 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Why the link is invalid?

Shiva Shakti19:45:55 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

anyone know how to check airdrops rcvd on the eos blockchain

Mouse19:46:12 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://ambcrypto.com/eos-eos-raises-eyebrows-freezes-twenty-seven-accounts/

Filip Nizioł19:46:23 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

be hungrier

Sandwich, is EOS Developers group closed?

Mouse19:46:40 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Removed straight away, search Google for it

David O Rourke19:50:52 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS Community Will Be The Safest Place To Hold Tokens. There’s Always A New Frontier For Freedom Loving People https://youtu.be/Ac6_8k4aVtU Watch Full Discussion HERE!!! https://youtu.be/HCljVW0_o4s The #EOSCommunity Will Get #EOS Blockchain To Number One #EOSIO

Andrea Sangio19:52:54 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I can you suggest me an eos wallet when I can take future eos airdop?

Joze Benko19:54:33 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Mouse1971

Yes, is post the link but it would be removed by admin!

why?what means this?

Usman Crypto20:10:57 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Agata Khazina

do you mean EOS ethereum tokens?

Yes! I still have them on the eos website / wallet. I never transferred them. What should i do?

Eliseo Sendon20:12:03 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Stay out of any coin

Eliseo Sendon20:12:25 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Shit is about to hit the fan

Mouse20:13:46 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Eliseo Sendon

Shit is about to hit the fan

What do you mean?

Usman Crypto20:14:23 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Mouse1971

What do you mean?

FUD!

Mouse20:14:46 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ProudPakistaniMan

FUD!

For eos?

Mr Brinker20:14:56 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://twitter.com/el33th4xor/status/1010255544383426560?s=12

Usman Crypto20:15:02 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Mouse1971

For eos?

He is saying all crypto

Eliseo Sendon20:15:11 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

BTC is about to melt down on its last phase down and will take the whole market with it

Usman Crypto20:16:12 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Eliseo Sendon

BTC is about to melt down on its last phase down and will take the whole market with it

Proof?

Eliseo Sendon20:16:12 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Fish cheap and dont overpay. Have you not lost enough money?

Eliseo Sendon20:16:21 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Time

Usman Crypto20:16:23 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Eliseo Sendon

Fish cheap and dont overpay. Have you not lost enough money?

Thats true

Usman Crypto20:16:33 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Eliseo Sendon

Time

Date?

Eliseo Sendon20:17:52 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

When RSI on the weekly breaks 30. High time frame.

Eliseo Sendon20:18:14 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Will fall below 3k

Usman Crypto20:18:42 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Eliseo Sendon

When RSI on the weekly breaks 30. High time frame.

Ok.

Gilgamesh20:23:27 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I think the arbiter should be given an award for the worst poorly phrased most damaging letter anyone could've written ever that holds zero actual authority or value

fav20:24:45 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

I think the arbiter should be given an award for the worst poorly phrased most damaging letter anyone could've written ever that holds zero actual authority or value

And not even crypto signed. Super anticlimactic

Rusty Gnarwhal20:27:09 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

wut

BXB Chain20:27:40 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS has a PR issue

BXB Chain20:27:45 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

not a tech issue

BXB Chain20:28:47 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS haters are picking on the ill-cummunicated account freeze and a single article of constitution related to abandoned or inactive accounts

BXB Chain20:30:39 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I relaly think there is a room for community evangelists for EOS. Block.One (EOS.IO developer and hands off on EOS blockchain), Block Producers (elected), EOS Evangelists (voted individuals) who man the community messaging efforts to make sure public is aware of the true intent and operations of EOS community blockchain. Thoughts?

Alexander CryptoLions20:31:30 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0_qc3PuXYw&t=1s

Padungkeat Sangsuwan20:32:48 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

http://cryptopay.me/join/be9b5f79

Gringos20:38:50 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Does anyone miss ethereum

ETH let EOS ICO run on their network despite EOS being touted as 'the Ethereum Killer'. If roles were reversed ECAF would have banned ETH.

Tequila20:41:12 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Why would they do that? That’s not what the ECAF is for at all

Oterleek Y20:44:55 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Eos will come for sure, its the biggest project their is for now, the same as ncp newton, smaller but its new, but eos will become the number 2

Falling Water20:45:24 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

One system being better then the other isn't criminal

lmm20:46:46 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Every single move we do it's been criticized. This space don't like innovation, everyone was very comfortable as they were 😂

Nick Alcock20:48:38 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

the coins i set for voting power how long till they show back in wallet if i set my voting power lower

Jim20:49:19 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

bxbchain

It's a good idea

Isaac20:50:51 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Check out "Brain on Fire" on Netflix www.netflix.com/title/80128245?source=android

Sigma20:53:56 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

is there a weather dapp on eos?

Sigma20:54:45 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

weather app could help bring eos mainstream. especially if it has good satellite images like google

Sigma20:55:25 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

and its on mobile

Broke AsFeck20:59:05 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Dan L wants to fork?

Gilgamesh20:59:42 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Dan has little to do with EOS public blockchain

Gilgamesh21:01:03 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Lm198

Every single move we do it's been criticized. This space doesn't like innovation, everyone was very comfortable as they were 😂

to be fair, that's good for eos governance. dpos requires on public criticisms to kick out producers that don't do their job as well as they could. like for example censoring accounts without providing cryptographic proof previous owners gave with their old eth keys

Gilgamesh21:02:04 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

the reason we lock up stake is so that if block producers are bad and we don't vote out bad ones, the value of our stake goes down as network appears to people (or actually is) less secure

Falling Water21:02:15 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If it's to fix the voting system, I hope he does fork

Gilgamesh21:02:49 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

voting system is perfectly fine, could maybe use more incentives for participating in voting that pays out of block reward for voters

David P - EOS4221:02:49 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS London event on July 4, we have: - Keynote: Moti Tabulo, Head of ECAF - Keynote: Sam Noble, EOS Dublin - Parachute dApp We are looking for 1-2 other speakers for the event, such as to present on dApp projects. Event will be professionally filmed. Please contact me directly if you are interested in this opportunity. Sign up now! https://www.meetup.com/EOSLONDON/events/251474525/

Falling Water21:03:18 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Fine for whales to take over

Gilgamesh21:03:30 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

the non transparent arbitration system is absolute disgrace and should be removed. we have on chain methods for disagreement that do not require forks. forks only necessary if majority is malicious

Gilgamesh21:03:46 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

approval voting is the most resistant voting system to malicious whales

Gilgamesh21:04:41 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

you always have whales anywhere, it's natural, pareto distribution. that's why eos block producers are not weighted by stake but have equal weight, 1/21 for all 21 with 15 that have to agree to get any finality

Falling Water21:04:59 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Deep pockets can control the votes, yours doesn't matter much

Gilgamesh21:05:41 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

not true. someone who owns 30% of stake can be removed completely by millions of accounts with 30.001 combined stake

Sylvester anichebe21:06:02 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

not true. someone who owns 30% of stake can be removed completely by millions of accounts with 30.001% combined stake

What are you guys saying about fork?

Gilgamesh21:06:10 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

large stake holders should have more influence anyway, they have most at stake and most to lose

Gilgamesh21:06:43 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

there's some rumor dan wants people to fork if they disagree with majority, i guess that makes sense

Gilgamesh21:06:56 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

it's possible both parties are not malicious, just disagree

Falling Water21:07:28 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

What's the echanges hold

Falling Water21:07:41 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

They're still for sale right

Falling Water21:08:30 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Voting power shouldn't be determined by how deep your pockets are

Gilgamesh21:08:54 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

in blockchains you can't deterine who's an independent person, so consensus is decided by hash rate or stake or similar

Gilgamesh21:09:06 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

so kind of yes they have to be determined by something, and that might as well be stake

Gilgamesh21:09:41 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

vested coins are time locked so that exchanges can't vote as easily as they need liquid coins. if worried about exchanges, extend time lock from 3 days to a month

Falling Water21:09:57 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

That's not how elections is supposed to operate

AnotherLonelyDay21:10:05 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Did Dan Larimer say block one is developing a wallet for EOSS?

Joze Benko21:10:26 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

where is the best to keep eos?

Gilgamesh21:10:31 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

they did, it's command line cleos

Sylvester anichebe21:10:32 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

AnotherLonelyDay

Did Dan Larimer say block one is developing a wallet for EOSS?

Yup

Gilgamesh21:10:58 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Falling Water

That's not how elections is supposed to operate

they are on trustless blockchains where you have to split vote weight without relying on trusted parties

Gilgamesh21:11:27 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

shareholders in companies vote very similarly to this

Revan21:12:20 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

voting system is perfectly fine, could maybe use more incentives for participating in voting that pays out of block reward for voters

Yes and no, you just cant expect people to vote every 3 days in order to keep max voting capacity, its just asking too much, people have other things to do then constantly vote

AnotherLonelyDay21:12:34 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

pasaift

Yup

ok, ty

fav21:13:04 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

not true. someone who owns 30% of stake can be removed completely by millions of accounts with 30.001% combined stake

The end game in this chain will be forced kyc. That's my prediction, which will mark the end for this fork

Joze Benko21:13:12 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I have registrate my eos and I want to know now where is the best to keep my eos now???

Falling Water21:13:21 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

They EOS is just another corporation

Joze Benko21:13:46 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

One of few eos wallets(simpleos,greymass)???

Gilgamesh21:14:06 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

favdesu

The end game in this chain will be forced kyc. That's my prediction, which will mark the end for this fork

yeah, I'll switch to another fork then for sure. KYC is not trustless

Gilgamesh21:14:19 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Joze Benko

One of few eos wallets(simpleos,greymass)???

greymass is excellent

Sandwich21:14:54 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

favdesu

The end game in this chain will be forced kyc. That's my prediction, which will mark the end for this fork

KYC cannot be forced on a public chain, but as a layer, not unlikely. Identity can be achieved without KYC.

Gilgamesh21:14:55 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Revan

Yes and no, you just cant expect people to vote every 3 days in order to keep max voting capacity, its just asking too much, people have other things to do then constantly vote

it's not once every 3 days

Mr haggbart21:15:35 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

is that "3 year inactive account => lost coins" settled yet? I see people on reddit still posting on both sides

S21:15:44 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

The value of a token go higher by total market cap increasing or by owns value which happend for etherume ,but this hasn't happened for EOS yet and I'm not sure will happen

Gilgamesh21:15:56 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

it's misunderstanding. nobody confiscating eos, just ram/bandwidth and stuff

Mr haggbart21:16:05 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

some referring to this

Crypto Lord21:16:07 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ECAF is stupidest shit ever nobody can verify claims of millions of people if EOS scales

Gilgamesh21:16:09 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Revan

Yes and no, you just cant expect people to vote every 3 days in order to keep max voting capacity, its just asking too much, people have other things to do then constantly vote

https://www.reddit.com/r/eos/comments/8rrsag/how_does_eos_voter_decay_work/

Martin Stuttgart21:16:39 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Chair.exe https://9gag.com/gag/ax1m8mM?ref=android

Angry Trader21:17:05 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Falling Water

Voting power shouldn't be determined by how deep your pockets are

We have a chance to not let worker proposal system behave this way. I have been trying hard for 1 account: 1 vote system in WPS telegram chat. When the WPS document comes out for voting, you can have a say by downvoting it.

Sandwich21:17:28 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

iamcryptolord

ECAF is stupidest shit ever nobody can verify claims of millions of people if EOS scales

Then you didn’t read the documents, that the process is temporary and will be replaced by technological solutions and many arbitrators.

fav21:17:36 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

KYC cannot be forced on a public chain, but as a layer, not unlikely. Identity can be achieved without KYC.

Account freezing can't be forced either on a public chain

Revan21:17:38 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Another thing is that its just to damn complicated , people have to read books, reddits, forums just to get info

Sandwich21:17:47 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

favdesu

Account freezing can't be forced either on a public chain

DAO Fork.

fav21:17:50 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Yet here we are

Gilgamesh21:17:54 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

iamcryptolord

ECAF is stupidest shit ever nobody can verify claims of millions of people if EOS scales

it's fine to have as many arbiters as you want that provide block producers AND VOTERS with information on temporary actions to take while voters decide through block producer election, but I totally agree the way it's handled right now is not transparent and indistinguishable from malicious censorship of transactions. anyone following ECAF without public proofs might as well be malicious

Revan21:18:12 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I learned about voting/greymass etc through this group , otherwise i wouldn’t have known back then

Crypto Lord21:18:27 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Then you didn’t read the documents, that the process is temporary and will be replaced by technological solutions and many arbitrators.

I certainly hope that’s the case because this is unscalable

Sandwich21:18:30 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

favdesu

Yet here we are

We all know you are pro scammer Fav.

Gilgamesh21:18:33 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

account freezing can happen on public blockchain if 3 voting pools decide to overwrite any blocks that include specific transactions and own more than 51% of hash power

Gilgamesh21:18:43 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

lol no he's not

fav21:18:49 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

We all know you are pro scammer Fav, but I don’t know why you keep pushing this rhetoric. we’re well aware.

I'm not. That's a blatant lie.

Sandwich21:19:00 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

favdesu

I'm not. That's a blatant lie.

Then why are you still fudding about a chain preventing a mass theft?

Joze Benko21:19:03 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

greymass is excellent

just store them there?

Joze Benko21:19:16 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

and I will receive all airdrops?

Sandwich21:19:21 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://www.reddit.com/r/eos/comments/8t5ln0/a_victims_perspective/?st=JIR291VL&sh=4a5df4e9

Gilgamesh21:19:25 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Then why are you still fudding about a chain preventing a mass theft?

how can we tell mass theft apart from malicious censorship of innocent accounts?

fav21:19:26 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I'm not fudding either.

Gilgamesh21:19:30 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

voters are given no info

Sandwich21:19:32 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://www.reddit.com/r/eos/comments/8ta24s/binances_swift_response_saved_a_mans_funds_from/?st=jirwqhtx&sh=94090b45

Angry Trader21:19:55 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

angrytrader

Having this on worker proposal is bad for EOS ecosystem, as white paper says that funds will be distributed as per number of votes a worker proposal gets. High token holders can really swing it in on way.

fav21:20:01 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Welcome to decentralized government. Criticism is part of the process

Sandwich21:20:07 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

favdesu

I'm not. That's a blatant lie.

Accounts were temporarily frozen pending investigation for a temporary process.

Gilgamesh21:20:17 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

the way you uncensor transactions on PoW chain is miners switch to pools that don't suck. same here. you switch to block producers that aren't censoring if you disagree with it. and since we don't have any proof those accounts were in fact phished, might as well

Sandwich21:20:21 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

You continue to overlook this.

Gilgamesh21:20:30 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

favdesu

Welcome to decentralized government. Criticism is part of the process

👍👍 dpos cannot work without cricism

Gilgamesh21:20:56 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Accounts were temporarily frozen pending investigation for a temporary process.

the memo written by someone who should be fired said not temporary but for rest of time (forgot exact word)

Sandwich21:20:57 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Criticism isn’t the issue, it’s that you keep coming in here and fanning the flames

Sandwich21:21:05 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

the memo written by someone who should be fired said not temporary but for rest of time (forgot exact word)

indefinitely.

Gilgamesh21:21:06 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

and used words like "ordered" and no proof given

Crypto Lord21:21:07 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Replace ECAF with a smart contract based process

Sandwich21:21:14 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

iamcryptolord

Replace ECAF with a smart contract based process

It’s happening.

Sandwich21:21:35 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

We are working on tech solutions to minimize need for arbitration

☝️

Angry Trader21:21:39 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

angrytrader

Better implementation of WPS, should be 1 vote: 1account; as it will include everyone in the community to have a fair say on what the future direction of EOS ecosystem should be.

Gilgamesh21:21:48 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

now every time that comes up we have to spend time explaining that no, nobody has authority on protocol level to order block producers around

fav21:21:49 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Criticism isn’t the issue, it’s that you keep coming in here and fanning the flames

Either that, or I will find consensus and will be on the correct side of the argument? It's not black and white

Sandwich21:22:28 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

favdesu

Either that, or I will find consensus and will be on the correct side of the argument? It's not black and white

Ok, so was the ruling wrong, or was it the process?

fav21:22:47 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

The fundamental thated to this was wrong

Gilgamesh21:22:49 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

angrytrader

Better implementation of WPS, should be 1 vote: 1account; as it will include everyone in the community to have a fair say on what the future direction of EOS ecosystem should be.

1 vote 1 account results in extreme choices being voted higher and moderate choices not given a vote. approval voting is basis of dpos and better represents the entire system

Sandwich21:22:49 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Because so far, nobody has been harmed, and all signs point assets being saved, not stolen.

Crypto Lord21:23:05 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Ok, so was the ruling wrong, or was it the process?

Let’s assume two parties have a private key both hacker and owner

Angry Trader21:23:10 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

angrytrader

Better implementation of WPS, should be 1 vote: 1account; as it will include everyone in the community to have a fair say on what the future direction of EOS ecosystem should be.

Those who want to be part of WPS , please participate in this chat: https://t.me/eosio_wps

Crypto Lord21:23:16 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

And hacker goes on to proof ownership

Sandwich21:23:20 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

iamcryptolord

Let’s assume two parties have a private key both hacker and owner

This isn’t a long term process.

Sandwich21:23:26 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

This was a temporary process.

Gilgamesh21:23:29 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Ok, so was the ruling wrong, or was it the process?

how do we know? we don't have the cryptographic proofs to know if ruling was malicious or valid

Crypto Lord21:23:36 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

And files to block account of the owner

Sandwich21:23:39 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Specific to genesis accounts and a phishing attack.

fav21:24:00 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I hate scammers as much as you, doesn't make me decide on behalf of 900m(?) tokens without even asking for approval

Crypto Lord21:24:02 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

How does one verify who is the real owner

Sandwich21:24:05 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

how do we know? we don't have the cryptographic proofs to know if ruling was malicious or valid

https://www.reddit.com/r/eos/comments/8ta24s/binances_swift_response_saved_a_mans_funds_from/?st=jirwqhtx&sh=94090b45

Craig21:24:11 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sigh

Sandwich21:24:38 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

```ETH Address - 0x87A01e7257320B30D48e300c05B614d399fB973c EOS Address - EOS8FGCAJkt23EB6EnHrtrfSBca2LboLGyoiNvtUDvfkErJHnEvBp EOS Name - gq4demryhage Signed ETH Message { "address": "0x87a01e7257320b30d48e300c05b614d399fb973c", "msg": "I am Argbw on Reddit!", "sig": "0xf10aa90159f86c57861d7ee2112d690fcaaa603d9bff49709c090cee74254fa34e5bc1c832cf1266c53de163b4db51e3549b70e8201647b8e545a61a107d97d51b", "version": "3", "signer": "ledger" }```

Craig21:24:45 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

this 'new' thing is sure getting old.

Keitho21:24:55 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Ywhats the story with getting EOS token from mainnet wallet to exchanges.

Gilgamesh21:25:15 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

https://www.reddit.com/r/eos/comments/8t5ln0/a_victims_perspective/?st=jirwwms7&sh=e80f94d3

yes, great, we have 1. that should've been on chain for everyone to know where to look, or part of the memo, and it should've been there for EVERY SINGLE account censored

Sandwich21:25:23 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

yes, great, we have 1. that should've been on chain for everyone to know where to look, or part of the memo, and it should've been there for EVERY SINGLE account censored

And it will be

Sandwich21:25:26 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

You’re overlooking the facts

Craig21:25:30 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Keitho1

Ywhats the story with getting EOS token from mainnet wallet to exchanges.

unstake. takes 72hrs and then transfer

Crypto Lord21:25:36 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

ETH Address - 0x87A01e7257320B30D48e300c05B614d399fB973c EOS Address - EOS8FGCAJkt23EB6EnHrtrfSBca2LboLGyoiNvtUDvfkErJHnEvBp EOS Name - gq4demryhage Signed ETH Message { "address": "0x87a01e7257320b30d48e300c05b614d399fb973c", "msg": "I am Argbw on Reddit!", "sig": "0xf10aa90159f86c57861d7ee2112d690fcaaa603d9bff49709c090cee74254fa34e5bc1c832cf1266c53de163b4db51e3549b70e8201647b8e545a61a107d97d51b", "version": "3", "signer": "ledger" }

Even a malicious actor can generate

Crypto Lord21:25:42 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

A signed signature

Gilgamesh21:25:46 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

No, I just value security of the platform over emotional hatred of scammers

Crypto Lord21:25:53 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

How do u verify the authenticity of the claim

Sandwich21:25:56 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

(1) TEMPORARY EMERGEENCY PROCESS, SPECIFIC TO A UNIQUE SITUATION (2) TIME SENSITIVE (3) TEMPORARY LACKING OF TEMPORARY SOLUTIONS

Sandwich21:25:57 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

OPTIONS

Sandwich21:26:10 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

(1) ALLOW MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO BE STOLEN ON THE GROUINDS OF RHETORIC

Craig21:26:21 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

(1) TEMPORARY EMERGEENCY PROCESS, SPECIFIC TO A UNIQUE SITUATION (2) TIME SENSITIVE (3) TEMPORARY LACKING OF TEMPORARY SOLUTIONS

all early emergencies are probably unique can we say that?

Sandwich21:26:23 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

(2) UIPHOLD THE VCISION OF THE NETWORK

Gilgamesh21:26:25 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

iamcryptolord

A signed signature

depends what they stole - you can only sign if you have private key of eth chain. if they lose that, good riddance

Angry Trader21:26:29 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

1 vote 1 account results in extreme choices being voted higher and moderate choices not given a vote. approval voting is basis of dpos and better represents the entire system

Approval rating for block producers selection make sense .. but not for WPS.

Garry Parmenter21:26:30 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hey Daz - found the finsl key Mate - all operational now - you are a legend.

Crypto Lord21:26:52 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

depends what they stole - you can only sign if you have private key of eth chain. if they lose that, good riddance

Yes that’s the point

Crypto Lord21:27:01 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If someone lost a private key

Craig21:27:05 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

the whole damn process is unique.

Angry Trader21:27:12 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

angrytrader

Approval rating for block producers selection make sense .. but not for WPS.

Especially when the funds a worker proposal gets is proportional to votes a worker proposal gets.

Crypto Lord21:27:12 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

How do u verify who’s the real is the owner

Sandwich21:27:57 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

deftep

all early emergencies are probably unique can we say that?

Yes.

Sandwich21:28:07 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It’s an early emergency, and is more related to GENESIS ACCOUNTs.

Angry Trader21:28:17 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

1 vote 1 account results in extreme choices being voted higher and moderate choices not given a vote. approval voting is basis of dpos and better represents the entire system

Wps is not forced to be dpos. No where in white paper, no where in constitution.

Sunshine24721:28:19 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

When will it show the new tokens in my exodus wallet? They will automatically change over won't they?

Gilgamesh21:28:28 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Sandwich, nobody wants millions of dollars stolen, But people also don't want block producers to be the ones stealing or censoring users or VOTERS without any proof anyone can validate themselves. It's impossible for us to know if this act was malicious or not to decide on our voting w/o all facts. It could be easily done by malicious set of producers to censor voters, confiscate money, and so on. having some theft is not excuse to throw away all security and rely on trust all of the sudden

Crypto Lord21:28:35 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS is now feels like a bunch of business people trying to apply insane morality logic over code

Sandwich21:28:50 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

People are wrongly translating this to some kind of systemic change when it’s been stated over and over that this process is a stop gap.

Sandwich21:29:06 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It was stated from the get go, for months, you can go browse through EOSGov yourself.

Gilgamesh21:29:13 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

iamcryptolord

EOS is now feels like a bunch of business people trying to apply insane morality logic over code

yeah, the worst of ethereum, unlike ethereum we have formalized voting on chain and reviewed actions with tons of competition (runner ups) to decide

Sandwich21:29:25 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

These issues have been hashes out by countless individuals since winter of last year.

Wolf Isaac21:29:59 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hello guys, could someone please tell me what I have to do to reedem my EOS which I keep in MEW? I registered them few months ago. Thx

Angry Trader21:30:04 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

kev_eosgo

Wondering about the 4% EOS inflation going towards Worker Proposals? https://forums.eosgo.io/discussion/1474/worker-proposal-system-wps-charter-released/p1?new=1

Requesting everyone to be aware of the contents of this charter, this charter does not say much about the voting process of WPS. It is being pushed as 1 vote : 1 token.

Gilgamesh21:30:14 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It doesn't mean people can't disagree despite supposed countless individual review, we have on chain review for this reason

Justin21:30:27 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Sunshine247

When will it show the new tokens in my exodus wallet? They will automatically change over won't they?

Whenever exodus accepts EOS mainnet. Right now it's erc still and they haven't said when they will have mainnet on their end

Marc-André Gray21:30:45 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

When you use RAM on eos does it regenerate over time?

Gilgamesh21:30:55 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

exodus is not open source wallet, so bad idea to use

Sandwich21:31:14 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

I agree with that. Nobody wants that. But there’s no incentive for foul play to occur, especially considering this entire ordeal is a the result of a temporary ruling. If you research how arbitration works, it’s airtight. (1) They don’t have power (2) They will eventually be in fierce competition (3) The majority of circumstances can be replaced by technological solutions (4) Rulings will be on-chain

Craig21:31:15 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

even in the worst case i still feel human error is an okay trade off for avoiding 'skynet'. its a pretty cool process to watch unfold and see the various sides taken on it.

Sunshine24721:31:22 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Wotan3x3

Whenever exodus accepts EOS mainnet. Right now it's erc still and they haven't said when they will have mainnet on their end

Thank you Justin - I guess I will just be patient for now ;) have a great weekend and thanks again

Craig21:31:54 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

its the misunderstanding of it that gets old.

🦉

🦉21:32:01 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

These issues have been hashed out by countless individuals since winter of last year.

Thanks for the info

Crypto Lord21:32:10 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Just because you don’t have a solution right now doesn’t mean some guy can block whoever they want

Justin21:32:10 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Sunshine247

Thank you Justin - I guess I will just be patient for now ;) have a great weekend and thanks again

No worries. You can do that and if you want access sooner use greymass.

Angry Trader21:32:11 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

kev_eosgo

Wondering about the 4% EOS inflation going towards Worker Proposals? https://forums.eosgo.io/discussion/1474/worker-proposal-system-wps-charter-released/p1?new=1

In the current form, these funds goes to the advantage of people who holds majority stakes.

Crypto Lord21:32:17 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

This is what Blockchain is not about

Sunshine24721:32:58 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Wotan3x3

No worries. You can do that and if you want access sooner use greymass.

Do you know of a video on how to set up on greymass and convert them over?

Crypto Lord21:33:06 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

These actions would potentially have very bad impact on eos unfortunately

Falling Water21:33:14 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Whales will dictate BP's or become proxies themselves, leaving EOS open for huge corruption and possibly attack and in the process create massive voter apathy in their wake

Sandwich21:33:14 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

iamcryptolord

Just because you don’t have a solution right now doesn’t mean some guy can block whoever they want

Some guy didn’t block whoever they wanted.

Sandwich21:33:21 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

They provided an opinion

Sandwich21:33:27 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

and BPs agreed through consensus.

Gilgamesh21:33:33 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

I disagree about no incentive. Malicious people going after money or censorship typically do have incentives. We depend on counter incentives to be larger to keep people honest. I also agree it was a suggestion, not an order, so you see how the phrasing of that memo was so incredibly misleading and thus damaging.

Crypto Lord21:33:35 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If two people have a same private key

Crypto Lord21:33:46 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

One of them is malicious

Crypto Lord21:33:56 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

How do u verify who is real and who’s not

Justin21:33:58 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Sunshine247

Do you know of a video on how to set up on greymass and convert them over?

No conversion necessary. What you will need to do is export your private key and address for EOS from Exodus and input that info in greymass. I don't have a video link exactly

Sandwich21:34:02 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

iamcryptolord

One of them is malicious

These users voluntarily provided KYC.

Sandwich21:34:07 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

The scammer wouldn’t KYC.

Sandwich21:34:17 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

That’s what you’re not getting, it was an emergency process.

Crypto Lord21:34:18 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

That is an assumption

Crypto Lord21:34:32 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

The scammer wouldn’t KYC.

This is pure assumption

Gilgamesh21:34:35 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

yes, if both parties sign, too bad for them. neither one gets access maybe lol

Crypto Lord21:34:51 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Or skewd logic

Sandwich21:34:52 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

iamcryptolord

This is pure assumption

So you’re going to steal something, commit a felony in most countries, and then KYC yourself under the chance that you will be ousted?

Sunshine24721:35:06 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Wotan3x3

No conversion necessary. What you will need to do is export your private key and address for EOS from Exodus and input that info in greymass. I don't have a video link exactly

Ok, I will work on doing that :) hope I do it right - not real good at this stuff yet - thank you thank you thank you!!!!

Gilgamesh21:35:28 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

kyc is a trusted process, could be kyc company themselves scamming, no way to connect to on chain identity, and like crypto lord said - they could easily use stolen idenity or even their own or pay some dude $5 to use his

Ryan21:35:33 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Will EOS succeed on a massive scale? Thoughts?

Angry Trader21:36:05 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Falling Water

Whales will dictate BP's or become proxies themselves, leaving EOS open for huge corruption and possibly attack and in the process create massive voter apathy in their wake

Take a read at the voting process of WPS. That will generate 4 times more money than what block producers get. If that’s not properly implemented, then EOS, which once held promise will turn out to be very very ordinary.

Crypto Lord21:36:17 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

So you’re going to steal something, commit a felony in most countries, and then KYC yourself under the chance that you will be ousted?

Let’s assume the eth owner is a miner he mined eth and then

Crypto Lord21:36:26 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Used it for ICOs

Sandwich21:36:26 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

This doesn’t apply to the circumstances at play

Shiva Shakti21:36:28 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

shiva

Crypto Lord21:36:31 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Ico

Sandwich21:36:37 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

the users affected were phished for their EOS Private keys> it was a unique attack.

Sandwich21:36:42 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Ethereum keys were not compromised.

Crypto Lord21:36:47 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

U can never verify who’s the owner

Craig21:36:52 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

this is just going off the rails. if you were one of the frozen accounts you would see this differently. this is what its about

Sandwich21:37:08 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://www.reddit.com/r/eos/comments/8t5ln0/a_victims_perspective/?st=jirwwms7&sh=e80f94d3

Angry Trader21:37:09 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

minaciousintent

Will EOS succeed on a massive scale? Thoughts?

Tech wise yes. But economics wise, there are some decisions which can make it go bad

Justin21:37:09 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Sunshine247

Ok, I will work on doing that :) hope I do it right - not real good at this stuff yet - thank you thank you thank you!!!!

Well Exodus has a support on how to export keys. When you do it will appear in a folder on your desktop marked Exodus exports and will be a spreadsheet file. I suggest printing it out to have in general and save somewhere like a key to a chest. I think you need to find out your account name also

Sandwich21:37:09 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://www.reddit.com/r/eos/comments/8t5ln0/a_victims_perspective/?st=jirwwms7&sh=e80f94d3

Sandwich21:37:10 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://www.reddit.com/r/eos/comments/8t5ln0/a_victims_perspective/?st=jirwwms7&sh=e80f94d3

Sandwich21:37:10 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://www.reddit.com/r/eos/comments/8t5ln0/a_victims_perspective/?st=jirwwms7&sh=e80f94d3

Sandwich21:37:10 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://www.reddit.com/r/eos/comments/8t5ln0/a_victims_perspective/?st=jirwwms7&sh=e80f94d3

Sandwich21:37:18 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Go tell it to that guy.

Craig21:37:40 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

for real.

Crypto Lord21:37:47 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

U basically are running a consortium

Sunshine24721:37:53 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Wotan3x3

Good idea :) thank you so much!!!!

Crypto Lord21:37:54 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Not a public block chain

Craig21:37:58 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

its absurd the strong opinions without actually looking into the facts

HP21:38:07 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

https://www.reddit.com/r/eos/comments/8t5ln0/a_victims_perspective/?st=JIR291VL&sh=4a5df4e9

How was the account hacked in the first place?

Sandwich21:38:22 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hpsaini

How was the account hacked in the first place?

Phished on ethereum network.

Gilgamesh21:38:27 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

no need to post that 4 times, its his fault anyway, and he has proven it and he's a valid case for arbitration, but we can't decide if the rest are or if block producers are being malicious

Crypto Lord21:38:41 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hpsaini

How was the account hacked in the first place?

They don’t need to prove that

Crypto Lord21:39:33 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS is getting screwed because of some stupid actions of BPs

Sandwich21:39:40 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

no need to post that 4 times, its his fault anyway, and he has proven it and he's a valid case for arbitration, but we can't decide if the rest are or if block producers are being malicious

And if they are, we vote them out with swiftness. These accounts are not deleted, transactions are not reversed.

Gilgamesh21:39:42 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

another vector: valid phishing case but then block producers agree to put in a few more addresses of voters they don't like into censorship status. unless we can see those cryptographic signatures or something showing reason we can't tell if honest or not

HP21:39:47 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Phished on ethereum network, if I recall.

But eos is frozen on eth network, so what was the owner trying to do?

Crypto Lord21:39:51 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If block anyone without clear reasoning

Crypto Lord21:40:00 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

And evidence

Sandwich21:40:01 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

Yes, fair, it wasn’t handled properly.

Craig21:40:03 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

accounts were frozen and that screws eos?

Crypto Lord21:40:06 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Nobody will build on eos

egg small21:40:44 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

can we rent our eos to the Dapp development team?

Gilgamesh21:40:57 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i agree we would vote them out, but right now I honestly don't know how many of accounts censored were malicious acts or valid acts. that's very bad for review of their actions

Justin21:41:09 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Sunshine247

Good idea :) thank you so much!!!!

Good luck. I did the same thing and I love greymass

Falling Water21:41:09 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Ask a few whales to please vote them out, but what do we have to offer the whales

HP21:41:21 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

iamcryptolord

They don’t need to prove that

Trying to understand how to avoid such things for myself/ all others

Sunshine24721:42:30 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Wotan3x3

Good luck. I did the same thing and I love greymass

Good to know :) you are very helpful - thanks so much again

Alexander CryptoLions21:42:41 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Join to Ukrainian EOS Group! https://t.me/EOSUA

Sandwich21:43:15 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

i agree we would vote them out, but right now I honestly don't know how many of accounts censored were malicious acts or valid acts. that's very bad for review of their actions

Yes. It’s not ideal.

Crypto Lord21:43:47 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I’m super disappointed how ECAF is handled things

R B21:44:32 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS mainnet launch with so many serious bugs has turned out to be disastrous for investors

Sandwich21:44:42 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Most of us are.

Sandwich21:45:12 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

But if you see the bigger picture, it’s not as big of a deal as it’s being made out to be.

Craig21:45:14 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

iamcryptolord

I’m super disappointed how ECAF has handled things

its brand new man. atleast they are attempting something that hasnt been attempted. nobody likes version 1.

Sole One21:45:41 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rbs007

EOS mainnet launch with so many serious bugs has turned out to be disastrous for investors

not really many bugs though. just one that haulted the net that was newly introduced. the rest is just issues with decentralized process of the community.

Crypto Lord21:45:46 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It’s not about that it’s just stupidity to arbitrate with humans

Crypto Lord21:46:00 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

What’s the point of Blockchain

Sandwich21:46:05 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It only looks like the apocolpyse if you’re still drinking the “code is law” cool-aid that has done nothing but lost billions of dolllars in value and pushed the mainstream further and further from adoption.

Crypto Lord21:46:06 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If u needed humans

Craig21:46:18 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

iamcryptolord

It’s not about that it’s just stupidity to arbitrate with humans

to prove code isnt law.

Sandwich21:46:19 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

That’s dogma.

Falling Water21:46:23 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

What happens if someone is caught filing a false claim to ecaf

Sole One21:46:38 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

iamcryptolord

What’s the point of Blockchain

transparency and security.

Crypto Lord21:46:42 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

deftep

to prove code isnt law.

What’s ur counter argument humans make law

Sandwich21:46:46 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

You have a dogma that “blockchain” is conditional on arbitrary circumstances that may not apply to all use cases.

Crypto Lord21:46:51 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Might as well stay with databases and sql

Crypto Lord21:47:08 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If u needed humans to fix stuff

Sole One21:47:19 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

iamcryptolord

Might as well stay with databases and sql

private databases are not transparent

Sandwich21:47:27 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Every blockchain is fixed by humans.

Craig21:47:28 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

deftep

to prove code isnt law.

i thnk what you suggest is a much more slippery slope. just a bunch of welps... id take authentic human error over welp anyday.

Crypto Lord21:48:06 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

deftep

i thnk what you suggest is a much more slippery slope. just a bunch of welps... id take authentic human error over welp anyday.

Have u ever made any Blockchain dapp or smart contract

Craig21:48:19 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

iamcryptolord

Have u ever made any Blockchain dapp or smart contract

continue?

Crypto Lord21:48:49 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

deftep

continue?

U clearly seem to have a lack of understanding why people Blockchain

Crypto Lord21:48:54 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

In the first place

Craig21:49:18 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

iamcryptolord

U clearly seem to have a lack of understanding why people Blockchain

and you maybe dont understand why i am into eos?

Crypto Lord21:49:50 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

deftep

and you maybe dont understand why i am into eos?

I think ur in it for quick bucks

Arthur Xu21:50:13 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

WHAT exactly is ECAF?

Craig21:50:29 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

iamcryptolord

I think ur in it for quick bucks

lol leap of faith? how would you get to that conclusion?

Falling Water21:50:46 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Fake coffee

Crypto Lord21:50:53 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

“i thnk what you suggest is a much more slippery slope. just a bunch of welps... id take authentic human error over welp anyday.”

AnotherLonelyDay21:50:57 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Falling Water

Fake coffee

lmao

Crypto Lord21:51:03 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

That’s what u said craig

Craig21:51:11 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

iamcryptolord

“i thnk what you suggest is a much more slippery slope. just a bunch of welps... id take authentic human error over welp anyday.”

how is that monitized?

Crypto Lord21:51:39 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

The whole idea behind Blockchain is to bring transparency and accountability

Crypto Lord21:51:55 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If we have to use humans judgement it’s no different what exists

Arthur Xu21:52:02 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Arthur4680

WHAT exactly is ECAF?

Crypto Lord21:52:03 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

In normal world

Nick Alcock21:52:09 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

whats everyone think about leasing https://chintai-eos.io/

Nick Alcock21:52:43 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://chintai-eos.io/

Nick Alcock21:52:56 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

whats evryone think about leasing then

Crypto Lord21:53:21 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Block.one needs to be more hands on approach

Thúy Nguyễn21:54:32 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

PollBot

Creating a new poll: 'Enterprise Operating System' Please send me the first answer option.

Hi, Has anyone here had experience with Infinito wallet for EOS ? Please share

Craig21:54:41 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

and code solves error how, the same error repeated across the board applied to all 'like' circumstances makes error okay? eos is transparent, it is a block chain. is arbitration that is still ground floor.

Falling Water21:54:48 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

This is just one big beta test block one is conducting

Crypto Lord21:55:32 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

deftep

and code solves error how, the same error repeated across the board applied to all 'like' circumstances makes error okay? eos is transparent, it is a block chain. its arbitration that is still ground floor.

Code is rule which everyone can see and adhere too unlike humans which acts selfishly

Falling Water21:56:29 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Amen

Craig21:57:40 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

iamcryptolord

Code is rule which everyone can see and adhere too unlike humans which acts selfishly

i agree to a degree.

Craig21:58:16 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

red light cameras dont capture all edge cases.

Crypto Lord21:58:34 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Well even if arbitration needs to take place

Crypto Lord21:58:44 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It has to be voted in by the community

Crypto Lord21:58:48 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Not one individual

Craig21:58:58 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i also would agree

Crypto Lord21:59:02 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Who can arbitrarily decide fate of the whole ecosystem

Craig21:59:26 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i think the training wheels are still on this baby so its good to think through the process and help as a community

Victorious21:59:50 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Pretty sure arbitration is not voted on by the community. That’s the whole point of arbitration is that you let someone else decide.

Victorious22:00:12 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Look up the definition.

Falling Water22:00:13 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I hope the majority of whales agree to disagree as well Criag

Falling Water22:00:40 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

But I have serious doubts about that

Crypto Lord22:01:55 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Eos is a great project I don’t want some stupid actions because of a few people to ruin this new ecosystem

Crypto Lord22:02:06 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

We can be in top 3

Crypto Lord22:02:18 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If we as a community make right choices

Craig22:02:25 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

maybe i feel some of the selfishones will get away but as long as more (than the norm) unselfish, legitimate, honest ones are made whole. i think the tradeoff is okay in that case. but assuming eos will cut all bad actors and make all bad intentions right is a flawed idea. i think it simply takes more good for perhaps the same or less bad.

Gilgamesh22:03:21 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If you don't like what ECAF did w/ little transparency, the #1 critics who brought attention to it are ChainRiftxxx block producer with a medium blog on it: https://old.reddit.com/r/eos/comments/8tdb05/if_you_disagree_with_ecaf_action_lack_of/

Falling Water22:06:08 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

nobody wants to address the whales in the room, EOS was suppose to be for the people, equal opportunity for everything

Samupaha22:06:58 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

Thanks, added them to my "never vote for" list. They are attacking against the system and trying to get votes by doing that. They are not trying to cooperate with everybody else and make the system better, so I don't see that they would be a good BP.

Falling Water22:07:55 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Their pet whales will determine that Sam

Craig22:08:15 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Falling Water

nobody wants to address the whales in the room, EOS was suppose to be for the people, equal opportunity for everyone

Thats like saying in all gated comminities your neighbor is not a creep. Its impossible.

Brett Jeffery @ EOS the World22:08:34 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Here are the top five reasons to vote for EOS the World, LLC- www.EOStheWorld.io

Craig22:08:56 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

deftep

Thats like saying in all gated comminities your neighbor is not a creep. Its impossible.

It simply lessens there effect.

Gilgamesh22:09:42 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Samupaha

we literally need bp's to disagree or we can't vote against descisions. it breaks dpos

Chamith22:10:16 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

is there a wallet to see all the airdrops that i have received ?

Gilgamesh22:10:22 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

criticizing actions of active block producers (especially when given a reason this juicy) is exactly what runner up block producers should be doing.

Samupaha22:10:29 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

we literally need bp's to disagree or we can't vote against descisions. it breaks dpos

Constructive criticism is different than spreading FUD.

Gilgamesh22:11:19 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Samupaha

Constructive criticism is different than spreading FUD.

they are highly constructive. wrote up entire medium article on it, keep asking for transparent info for voters

Gilgamesh22:11:58 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

this fud was justified as voters cannot differentiate if action was malicious or not, which is prime example of something voters shouldn't have to worry about

Samupaha22:12:31 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

they are highly constructive. wrote up entire medium article on it, keep asking for transparent info for voters

And ignore what's actually happening and refuse to learn how the system is designed to work. People like that are bad when we need cooperation.

Kevin McSheehan22:12:32 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Wasn’t Brendan

was his twitter hacked? i took a noteworthy rekting

Kevin McSheehan22:12:50 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

which not to be a dbag is highly uncommon for me

Kevin McSheehan22:14:05 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

look at bee token mini-moons

Kevin McSheehan22:14:09 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

it's me waving

Craig22:14:27 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

The beetoken telegram is quite the montley crew.

Kevin McSheehan22:14:42 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

what is a montley crew bro

Falling Water22:15:08 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

So how many exchange proxies bpcs do we have standing by

Gilgamesh22:15:18 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Samupaha

And ignore what's actually happening and refuse to learn how the system is designed to work. People like that are bad when we need cooperation.

they know what's happening... lack of transparency. they understand voters can't read minds of block producers, up to now no clear information proving ownership of those accounts was released, we'd have to guess how verification was done and locate it ourselves and maybe get lucky and find it

Kevin McSheehan22:15:24 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

is it some type of #streetgang i can /join

Daniel Larimer22:15:38 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Gringos

ETH let EOS ICO run on their network despite EOS being touted as 'the Ethereum Killer'. If roles were reversed ECAF would have banned ETH.

On what grounds?

Kevin McSheehan22:15:40 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

irc jokes. i got em. they're bad.

Craig22:16:11 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

kevinmcs

what is a montley crew bro

Just saying they are pretty unorganized and the regulars seem bitter.

Kevin McSheehan22:16:32 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

#beetoken to the moon

Kevin McSheehan22:16:46 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

when i got mindfucked by a sophisticated pump

Kevin McSheehan22:16:57 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

they even added some guy to their team whose other company just received eos vc

Kevin McSheehan22:17:01 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

so it was like oh, this is clearly happening

Kevin McSheehan22:17:20 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

they might have just jumped on a poorly written tweet

THE INCREDIBLE BULK22:17:25 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

When is EOS going to take over deep state coin, excuse me, I mean bitcoin?

Kevin McSheehan22:17:26 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

poorly written tweets happen to the best of us

Anton Saputro22:18:20 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Will eos hold this level?

Kevin McSheehan22:18:21 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

plus it's a blockchain airbnb

Kevin McSheehan22:18:33 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i was like oh this has potential on eos. why wouldn't they get eos vc. plus their new advisor just did.

Kevin McSheehan22:18:59 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

if that was a sophisticated pump it was executed brilliantly

Craig22:20:29 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Gringos

ETH let EOS ICO run on their network despite EOS being touted as 'the Ethereum Killer'. If roles were reversed ECAF would have banned ETH.

What do you mean let?

Craig22:21:50 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

The beer i drank let me be drunk.

RUDEMUDCRAB22:22:07 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Gringos

ETH let EOS ICO run on their network despite EOS being touted as 'the Ethereum Killer'. If roles were reversed ECAF would have banned ETH.

False

RUDEMUDCRAB22:22:46 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Permissionless systems don't "let" anyone or anything

hadrian22:24:06 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Gringos

ETH let EOS ICO run on their network despite EOS being touted as 'the Ethereum Killer'. If roles were reversed ECAF would have banned ETH.

Bullshit

hadrian22:25:10 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Gringos

ETH let EOS ICO run on their network despite EOS being touted as 'the Ethereum Killer'. If roles were reversed ECAF would have banned ETH.

On what grounds m

Craig22:25:33 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It is therefore i am

Fender22:25:47 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Gringos

ETH let EOS ICO run on their network despite EOS being touted as 'the Ethereum Killer'. If roles were reversed ECAF would have banned ETH.

Except dan and vatalik kinda get along.

Elim Herr - EOS Nation Ambassador22:25:59 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Wnat to talk directly to a BP and get answers to whats been happening with EOS? Join our Discord for an AMA tomorrow! https://discord.gg/QNBnBm

Falling Water22:26:11 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

On the ground s of first degree murder Hadrian

Danny Patience22:26:53 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Who is on ECAF exactly? How many people and who are they?

Elim Herr - EOS Nation Ambassador22:27:09 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Danny Patience

Who is on ECAF exactly? How many people and who are they?

come ask us in our AMA

Daniel Larimer22:27:28 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Falling Water

On the ground s of first degree murder Hadrian

Lol

Daniel Larimer22:27:52 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I think it is fear of unknown that is the problem

Danny Patience22:28:09 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ElimHerr

come ask us in our AMA

Please kindly answer me now. I will not be able to ask tomorrow.

Daniel Larimer22:28:17 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

These guys are well intentioned

Aneta22:29:20 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Danny Patience

Who is on ECAF exactly? How many people and who are they?

Go to the eoscorearbitrationforum website

Daniel Larimer22:29:28 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

They volunteered for a job that no one wants because of the hate they received for trying to do the right thing.

Craig22:29:52 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

These guys are well intentioned

Hard too see sometimes.

Dallas Rushing22:30:15 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

@daniellarimer I saw you mention something about apple secure enclave yesterday I beleive. Is it possible now to store PK's in apple secure enclave on an iOS app to communicate with the chain?

Daniel Larimer22:30:53 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

dallasrushing

@daniellarimer I saw you mention something about apple secure enclave yesterday I beleive. Is it possible now to store PK's in apple secure enclave on an iOS app to communicate with the chain?

Yes

Steve Skotsko🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿22:30:57 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hi guys. Anyone have any idea what I might be doing wrong? I’m trying to integrate my scatter with the EOS toolkit by Genereos but every time I try to attach identity it tells me “you don’t have any identities the match the properties that this application is requiring”

Daniel Larimer22:31:08 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Already doing it

MAX_Cho [KOREOS.GENERAL.MOM]22:31:19 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Yes

What do you think of koreosio communications?

rektkid22:31:22 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

They volunteered for a job that no one wants because of the hate they received for trying to do the right thing.

I’m sure their intentions were legit. It’s just as a community we need a full report with cryptographic evidence to support the actions.

Craig22:31:23 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

They volunteered for a job that no one wants because of the hate they received for trying to do the right thing.

i like to think most can see this.

Dallas Rushing22:31:24 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Yes

Awesome. I heard yes, but wanted to confirm with Yoda. What are you reading right now Dan? If anything.

Daniel Larimer22:31:47 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rektkid

I’m sure their intentions were legit. It’s just as a community we need a full report with cryptographic evidence to support the actions.

They all proved it via eth smart contract

Daniel Larimer22:31:55 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Is my understanding

Danny Patience22:31:58 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Aneta_EOS

Go to the eoscorearbitrationforum website

.com?

rektkid22:32:13 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

They all proved it via eth smart contract

Cool. I hope to see a report..

Daniel Larimer22:33:54 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rektkid

Cool. I hope to see a report..

They also identified themselves

Daniel Larimer22:33:58 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Daniel I had a convo with Cedric Dahl about EOS. He seems to believe that you could run a "Steemit Like" application with feeless, instant transactions with automated token creation for rewards & distribution on AWS. Using their Blockchain. It's an ETH chain you'd be utilizing with AWS right? I disagree with him. Am I incorrect?

Aneta22:34:22 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Danny Patience

.com?

This is the exact link https://eoscorearbitration.io/

Gilgamesh22:34:35 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Is my understanding

the problem is it should be available for others to review to differentiate between malicious censorship & subjectively valid censorship

Gilgamesh22:35:02 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

imagine if this same tactic was used to censor a voter block producers don't like

Daniel Larimer22:35:02 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

dallasrushing

I’m not sure what your referring to

MAX_Cho [KOREOS.GENERAL.MOM]22:35:41 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

@daniellarimer What do you think of koreos.io communications?

Tequila22:35:51 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

They will need to produce a report soon or else the community will call bs and start voting people out

Gilgamesh22:35:54 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

dallasrushing

you can't vote out aws server admins that control it, you can on steemit or dpos, he doesn't know what he's talking about

Daniel Larimer22:35:57 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

imagine if this same tactic was used to censor a voter block producers don't like

Then they would be removed

Tequila22:36:02 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Processes will get better and better over time

Gilgamesh22:36:11 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

yes, but how would we know if we never had a report. :)

AK2622:36:22 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

@daniellarimer will we get notified before any scaling take place?

Dallas Rushing22:36:23 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I’m not sure what your referring to

He doesn't understand why we need EOS to power KARMA (the dApp I'm working on) He seems to think it work using this. https://aws.amazon.com/partners/blockchain/

Tequila22:36:24 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

You will get one

Gilgamesh22:36:26 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

indistinguishable to the voter

Daniel Larimer22:36:46 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

the problem is it should be available for others to review to differentiate between malicious censorship & subjectively valid censorship

It should be. I am equally upset about the lack of information

Gilgamesh22:36:54 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

👍

Tequila22:37:59 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

It should be. I am equally upset about the lack of information

What is the reason for it?

Falling Water22:38:49 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It's a new concept people are not used to

Sam Williams22:38:49 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I’m not sure what your referring to

Hey Daniel. From a fellow crypto CEO, congrats on the main net launch. I read earlier that the minimal unit of the EOSIO public network token is 1/10000. If the current price is $4 and people expect a 100x, then I wouldn't be able to buy another with the network for less than $0.04 -- correct? Further, the minimum tx fee would be $0.04?

Daniel Larimer22:39:12 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Daniel he seems to think you can run an application with feeless & instant transatcions using AWS blockchain services. To my understanding theres so many things I can't do with AWS that I'd need EOS for. Are you familiar with the current state of AWS Blockchain services.

Gilgamesh22:40:00 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

dallasrushing

feeless is not enough, you also want sybil protection and for people to be confident a small minority can't take you messages down

Danny Patience22:40:03 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Aneta_EOS

This is the exact link https://eoscorearbitration.io/

Thank you. No arbitrators names. Why are they secret?

User022:40:05 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ArweaveSam

Hey Daniel. From a fellow crypto CEO, congrats on the main net launch. I read earlier that the minimal unit of the EOSIO public network token is 1/10000. If the current price is $4 and people expect a 100x, then I wouldn't be able to buy anything with the network for less than $0.04 -- correct? Further, the minimum tx fee would be $0.04?

You might want to research more, one of the main selling points of EOS is there is no txn fees

Dallas Rushing22:40:21 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

feeless is not enough, you also want sybil protection and for people to be confident a small minority can't take you messages down

yup

Marc-André Gray22:40:50 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

dallasrushing

No offence Cedric is a bit of a tool. You could do it but AWS is centralized so you need to trust AWS.

Sam Williams22:41:01 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

User0Crypto

You might want to research more, one of the main selling points of EOS is there are no txn fees

Interesting. But the point about fractionalisation still stands, no?

Ezeth22:41:07 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

It should be. I am equally upset about the lack of information

There is no mechanism to enforce transparency so what would make this situation change ?

Daniel Larimer22:41:17 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ArweaveSam

Hey Daniel. From a fellow crypto CEO, congrats on the main net launch. I read earlier that the minimal unit of the EOSIO public network token is 1/10000. If the current price is $4 and people expect a 100x, then I wouldn't be able to buy anything with the network for less than $0.04 -- correct? Further, the minimum tx fee would be $0.04?

No fees. And smaller units can be created by smart contract

Aneta22:41:30 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Danny Patience

Thank you. No arbitrators names. Why are they secret?

Eosgo.io

Daniel Larimer22:41:45 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

mantiss3

There is no mechanism to enforce transparency so what would make this situation change ?

To ignore undocumented opinions

Daz W22:42:08 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

the problem is it should be available for others to review to differentiate between malicious censorship & subjectively valid censorship

It was available. I fail to understand why it should be available to you just because you own the EOS coin. The reason you vote for a BP is to entrust them to work in your best interest, and they did so. Democracy 101.

Ezeth22:42:14 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

But one cannot ignore BP opinions as they have practical impact

Daniel Larimer22:42:31 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Bp should ignore

Daniel Larimer22:42:36 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Or lose votes

Daniel Larimer22:42:51 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

The voters are in control

RUDEMUDCRAB22:43:00 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

When Dan talks in here it's all

Ezeth22:43:06 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

BP are very sticky

Sam Williams22:43:17 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

No fees. And smaller units can be created by smart contract

Thanks for the answer. Are the smart contracts creating subtokens of the network (with their own independent value), or are they literally the same token?

Jape22:43:38 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

dallasrushing

Aws is centralized and you would have to pay monthly for the resources you use while in eos you froze them and can get them back if you don’t use it anymore.

Ezeth22:43:38 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Bad BP actor can do a lot of damage before they are removed

Daniel Larimer22:43:39 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ArweaveSam

Thanks for the answer. Are the smart contracts creating subtokens of the network (with their own independent value), or are they literally the same token?

Define same

R'amen22:43:44 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I think it's time for EOS to have a central / "official" communication officer or PR person in charge of announcements, anti-FUD and official statements to avoid all the confusion and lack of clarity with regards to issues.

Daniel Larimer22:43:45 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Fully fungible

Daniel Larimer22:44:14 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

goddessofdawn

No one may contract on behalf of community as a whole

Dallas Rushing22:44:22 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Simja18

Aws is centralized and you would have to pay monthly for the resources you use while in eos you froze them and can get them back if you don’t use it anymore.

exactly. I just don't think he's done the research fellas, all good.

Stephan22:44:24 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i find it a little odd that exchanges can vote using their customers eos funds

Daniel Larimer22:44:43 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

stevang

i find it a little odd that exchanges can vote using their customers eos funds

Proxy votes are legit

Sam Williams22:45:20 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Would the eescggange rate between the smart contract token and the main EOS differ over time?

RUDEMUDCRAB22:45:22 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

stevang

i find it a little odd that exchanges can vote using their customers eos funds

They can't, it's against the constitution and ANY token holder can take it to arbitration

Syed Jafri | EOS Cafe / Calgary22:45:41 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

RUDEMUDCRAB

They can't, it's against the constitution and ANY token holder can take it to arbitration

They can proxy votes

Daniel Larimer22:45:47 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ArweaveSam

Would the exchange rate between the smart contract token and the main EOS differ over time?

RUDEMUDCRAB22:45:48 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Oh proxy vote yes

Broke AsFeck22:46:00 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Is eos now going to fork?

Daniel Larimer22:46:12 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

RUDEMUDCRAB22:46:28 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I think the exchange votes used to reach the 15% for activation was against consensus and constitution

Sam Williams22:46:45 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Ok, so why limit the decimal places like this in the first place?

Tehol22:46:50 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

@daniellarimer Is there anywhere we can find out about how the bancor pricing system works as applied to ram? Like what price we can expect at X% ram utilization?

Everett22:46:59 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Back from vacation, over 5k memos, haha

Daniel Larimer22:47:01 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ArweaveSam

Ok, so why limit the decimal places like this in the first place?

64 bit number limits

Stephan22:47:11 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

RUDEMUDCRAB

They can't, it's against the constitution and ANY token holder can take it to arbitration

ok, seems i need more infos about proxy voting etc. i was under the impression that the exchanges vote for themselfes as a bp using their customer eos funds

RUDEMUDCRAB22:48:12 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

stevang

ok, seems i need more infos about proxy voting etc. i was under the impression that the exchanges vote for themselfes as a bp using their customer eos funds

If the customers are voting by proxy yes, Exchanges using tokens to vote in a way which the exchange decides is wrong

Daniel Larimer22:48:44 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If exchange terms of service include delegate proxy rights then it is all consensual

Broke AsFeck22:48:54 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Voting systems don't seem like an idea that people will stick to - people lose interest so the lesser effort is likely going to win

Daz W22:49:03 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

RUDEMUDCRAB

I think the exchange votes used to reach the 15% for activation was against consensus and constitution

Whoever owns the private key, owns the crypto. You have no control over your private key in an exchange. That's why it's important not to store your crypto in an exchange.

Broke AsFeck22:49:09 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

people will get bored

Stephan22:49:13 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

so proxy vote is when i choose to give my voting power to someone i trust to vote for me?

Sam Williams22:49:15 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

64 bit number limits

If your total supply is 900000000, then you could express 10 decimal places in a 64b int?

Daniel Larimer22:49:24 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

stevang

so proxy vote is when i choose to give my voting power to someone i trust to vote for me?

Yes

Broke AsFeck22:49:50 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

This voting system is so complex that keeping people educating will likely fail

Daniel Larimer22:49:51 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ArweaveSam

If your total supply is 900000000, then you could express 10 decimal places in a 64b int?

53 bit limit technically

Daniel Larimer22:50:10 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

This voting system is so complex that keeping people educating will likely fail

This is real issue

Broke AsFeck22:50:29 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I've also gone with the simplistic view myself

Daniel Larimer22:50:29 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

This is why more producers is actually worse

Sam Williams22:50:37 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

53 bit limit technically

If I am not mistaken that still leaves room for 8 decimal places?

Sam J22:50:39 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Proxy votes are legit

What’s the downside to proxy votes in your experience? Maybe we should have activist proxy groups spin up to vote for good governance?

RUDEMUDCRAB22:50:41 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

This is why more producers is actually worse

100%

Broke AsFeck22:50:44 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

This is why more producers is actually worse

good point

Craig22:51:15 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

This is real issue

I assume you have a solution.

Daz W22:51:34 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

This voting system is so complex that keeping people educating will likely fail

Ypu can't force a person to educate themselves. The world shouldn't stop innovation to let those people catch up. That's not how life works.

Gilgamesh22:51:38 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Dan, you don't really support confiscating coins if it's not used for 3 years, right? If the issue is shared resources like bandwidth/cpu/ram, it can be automatically unvested or ram sold at market value or even alias connection thrown away without any need to confiscate eos. shared resources should be used, but there's zero downside to having inactive accounts with eos just sitting there unvested taking up none of others resources

Broke AsFeck22:52:06 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

How do Eos plan to educate people?

Tequila22:52:36 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I don’t understand confiscating coins at all

Daz W22:52:46 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

How do Eos plan to educate people?

Isn't their job to.

Tequila22:53:01 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

After three years just auto rent them to the community

Broke AsFeck22:53:20 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Isn't their job to.

That's an easy way to create failure

Jape22:53:31 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

You can't force a person to educate themselves. The world shouldn't stop innovation just to let those people catch up. That's not how life works.

If we create a wallet that makes it very easy to vote and keep people informed about bp’s people will get more involved

Tequila22:53:33 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Isn’t the whole point just to ensure all of the networks resources are available?

Craig22:53:38 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

After three years just auto rent them to the community

Haha that doesnt incourage voting ;)

Gilgamesh22:53:41 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

After three years just auto rent them to the community

no need to even rent, just unvest

David22:53:55 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

After three years just auto rent them to the community

I like this idea.

Daniel Larimer22:53:57 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ArweaveSam

If I am not mistaken that still leaves room for 8 decimal places?

1,000,000,000.0000 / 2^53 allowing room for supply growth does give room for 6 extra digits.

Daz W22:54:27 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

That's an easy way to create failure

You're a socialist, obviously. EOS created a game and provided the rules to play the game. It's up to you to READ the rules.

Daniel Larimer22:54:27 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

After three years just auto rent them to the community

Not about the resources or the tokens

Tequila22:54:39 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

deftep

Haha that doesnt incourage voting ;)

Sure, but it’s a decent compromise. No coins should ever be confiscated. Nobody supports this

Tequila22:54:45 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Not about the resources or the tokens

What’s it about then

Crypto Surfer - BRAZIL HEXA22:54:47 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

guys I downloaded the eos-voter wallet (greymass) and now is aking to put my private key. do you guys know if it's safe?

Gilgamesh22:54:58 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

you don't need such encouragement to vote. active users have encouragement to vote because they are vested anyway. hell, even paying voters out of block reward for simply vesting coins would encourage voting, confiscating is irreversible massive damage worse than any slashing conditions and targeting innocent

Daniel Larimer22:55:03 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

What’s it about then

See my medium post

Daz W22:55:09 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Simja18

If we create a wallet that makes it very easy to vote and keep people informed about bp’s people will get more involved

There are wallets available that already do that.

Broke AsFeck22:55:26 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

You're a socialist, obviously. EOS created a game and provided the rules to play the game. It's up to you to READ the rules.

I'm a realist - your system works against itself it certain ways

da Lexx22:55:34 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

See my medium post

when reference wallet ?

Daz W22:55:47 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

I'm a realist - your system works against itself it certain ways

Not even in the slightest.

Jape22:56:16 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

There are wallets available that already do that.

Not from your phone ?

Daniel Larimer22:56:21 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

There is nothing to fear unless community passes referendum

Vanga Bitcoin22:57:12 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_8J_k4FEDs&feature=share

Vanga Bitcoin22:57:27 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_8J_k4FEDs&feature=share

Daz W22:57:34 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Simja18

Not from your phone ?

I don't use my phone for crypto transactions so i havent researched that. However, there are several application that do EXACTLY what you described.

Gilgamesh22:57:46 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

medium blog on property rights can be interpreted in many ways. owner can still refresh their vested coins if they are automaticlaly unvested after 3 years, still on them to keep property of cpu/network/ram/storage/alias maybe and at no point is it at all necessary to put their actual coins at risk.

Vanga Bitcoin22:57:59 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_8J_k4FEDs&feature=share

Broke AsFeck22:58:16 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Not even in the slightest.

How many people in the crypto space actually will make the effort to read the eos regulations? I'd say less than 98%

Vanga Bitcoin22:58:23 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_8J_k4FEDs&feature=share

Broke AsFeck22:58:29 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

won't

Vanga Bitcoin22:58:30 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_8J_k4FEDs&feature=share

Gilgamesh22:58:33 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

after all the only thing we care about are wasted resources, and coins are not wasted resources, unused cpu/network/ram/storage/aliases are resources & actual property that matters

Ethereye22:58:34 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

How to check EOS token in mainnet?

Gilgamesh22:58:47 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

it's called a coin and greymass wallet is good

Lexis22:59:03 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Can I buy EOS now in an exchange?

Daz W22:59:05 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

How many people in the crypto space actually will make the effort to read the eos regulations? I'd say less than 98%

I don't know and frankly i don't care. that's their business, not mine. Only I am responsible for myself.

John Mambo22:59:28 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ethereye

How to check EOS token in mainnet?

https://eospark.com/MainNet/account

Tequila22:59:34 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

See my medium post

Which one specifically

Tequila22:59:44 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Decentralized governance one?

Gilgamesh22:59:52 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

well, it's easier to read regulations than to read codebase or email every block producer independently and try to figure out consensus. it's a good indicator of past consensus

Gilgamesh23:00:01 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I think he means https://medium.com/@bytemaster/thoughts-on-perpetual-property-rights-b8c7f5bf4221

Craig23:00:02 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

I don't know and frankly i don't care. that's their business, not mine. Only I am responsible for myself. you can't lead a horse to water, you can only provide the opportunity.

Ive never marched in something i didnt agree on. But friends of friends i guess.

Broke AsFeck23:00:29 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

well, it's easier to read regulations than to read codebase or email every block producer independently and try to figure out consensus. it's a good indicator of past consensus

All I'm saying is there needs to be a guide - probably best in video format

Daz W23:00:52 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

deftep

Ive never marched in something i didnt agree on. But friends of friends i guess.

I'm to busy to march.

Gilgamesh23:00:58 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

it should be always changing, so maybe video not best format :)

Broke AsFeck23:01:20 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

it should be always changing, so maybe video not best format :)

You can make a series

John Mambo23:02:13 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

You can make a series

Eos saga

Gilgamesh23:02:26 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

IMO most might agree we shouldn't have perpetual property rights over cpu/network/ram/storage/aliases none of that has anything to do with actual eos coins. we already have vote decay as one example that perpetual voting doesn't work

Broke AsFeck23:02:30 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

danysof

Eos saga

Eos chronicals

Gilgamesh23:02:55 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

eos 3: tokyo drift

Daz W23:03:13 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

All I'm saying is there needs to be a guide - probably best in video format

There is. Just because you haven't researched doesn't mean the guide doesn't exist.

Xlr823:03:26 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Any Eos name reseller out there yet?

Broke AsFeck23:03:34 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

There is. Just because you haven't researched doesn't mean the guide doesn't exist.

Official guide I mean - something on the webpage

Kahir.23:03:34 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Yes

Daz W23:03:49 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

Official guide I mean - something on the webpage

THERE IS! lol

John Mambo23:03:54 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

Eos chronicals

Better... but stil can’t see why some still needs a guide, a supreme leader! We already have governments

John Mambo23:04:06 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Huh

Broke AsFeck23:04:16 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

THERE IS! lol

going to check

Kevin Quaintance23:04:18 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Check out DEOS

Daz W23:04:44 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Where do you think i found this?

Marco Muvdi23:04:46 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Somebody sell the EON’s from the AIRDROP! ? Thanks for info!

Daz W23:05:40 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

going to check

Where do tou think i found this? hint: there's an online guide.

Phil23:06:03 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hi I apologize if this has been asked a million times but I am looking for an article or tutorial on how to convert my erc20 eos tokesn to the mainnet eos tokens

Broke AsFeck23:06:04 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I don't see any information in video format about the rules, regulations in video format

Xlr823:06:59 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

That's why it was created.

So is there a Eos service... where u can do this?

Daz W23:07:11 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

I don't see any information in video format about the rules, regulations in video format

So a guide in "video format" is your requirement? Did you spend too much time in front of a tv and not learn to read?

Xlr823:08:26 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

pmtolk

Hi I apologize if this has been asked a million times but I am looking for an article or tutorial on how to convert my erc20 eos tokesn to the mainnet eos tokens

They all have been converted..they are on the chain.

Broke AsFeck23:08:38 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

So a guide in "video format" is your requirement? Did you spend too much time in front of a tv and not learn to read?

It's not for me - you all seem to expect the crypto community to make an effort - sorry, but you are totally out of touch with the way information is consumed

Falling Water23:08:44 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Phil did you register and get a EOS key pair

Phil23:09:21 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

PollBot

Creating a new poll: 'Enterprise Operating System' Please send me the first answer option.

Yes

Broke AsFeck23:09:23 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

people watch youtubers more than they read webpages

Brian23:09:30 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Simja18

If we create a wallet that makes it very easy to vote and keep people informed about bp’s people will get more involved

Simpleos is an extremely easy-to-use wallet for voting

Broke AsFeck23:09:37 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

video format is king

Tequila23:09:39 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Dan’s points about ownership of tokens and redistribution of property are fair. What action is required to keep your tokens active? Any transaction or vote of any kind?

Falling Water23:10:01 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Yes need a EOS wallet to access your eos

Falling Water23:10:24 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I suggest looking into greymass voting tool wallet

Brian23:10:34 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Brian_Kammeraman

Simpleos is an extremely easy-to-use wallet for voting

Also try https://eostoolkit.io/home

Jape23:10:40 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

There is nothing to fear unless community passes referendum

When is referendum?

Natoshi Sakamoto23:10:54 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Touch ID?

Masters strike if successful ... KYC without KYC

Xlr823:12:14 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

pmtolk

Yes

Put your public key here.. u will see your Eos. eosflare.io

Brian23:13:00 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

That's an easy way to create failure

Block.one has plenty of material on their youtube page for education purposes

Broke AsFeck23:13:24 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Brian_Kammeraman

Block.one has plenty of material on their youtube page for education purposes

I'll take a look

Broke AsFeck23:13:40 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I'm trying to understand things

Brian23:15:05 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

I'll take a look

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbc7vIgwb-sPSckU0FbWmRg

Broke AsFeck23:17:27 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

There's no real video on the voting process - the only stuff I have found is people talking about parts of the process

Danny Patience23:19:41 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It would be a good job for wallet providers to implement some kind of info on BPs. Like know your BP. BPs would gladly take part in something like that. If we take parallel to political campaigns, that's the part that is missing from this governance structure we have.

Phil23:19:49 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ok I imported my stuff into greymass eos-voter, what should I do now in the eos-voter wallet? all but 10 of my eos are staked? and am I supposed to vote or do something else?

R'amen23:20:31 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

pmtolk

ok I imported my stuff into greymass eos-voter, what should I do now in the eos-voter wallet? all but 10 of my eos are staked? and am I supposed to vote or do something else?

Yes vote mofo

Daz W23:20:47 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

It's not for me - you all seem to expect the crypto community to make an effort - sorry, but you are totally out of touch with the way information is consumed

out of touch? lol. I think you're just an excuse maker and have accepted your own laziness.

Danny Patience23:20:47 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

pmtolk

ok I imported my stuff into greymass eos-voter, what should I do now in the eos-voter wallet? all but 10 of my eos are staked? and am I supposed to vote or do something else?

You can ustake for future transfer.

Phil23:21:43 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

how do I figure out who to vote for?

Natoshi Sakamoto23:22:29 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Eliseo Sendon

BTC is about to melt down on its last phase down and will take the whole market with it

Btc will never go away and will be Optimus prime of crypto.. imagine 10 btc s ever existed and there are 10 firm believers that it has value they won’t sell no matter what and each btc will be priceless..things can slow it down but it would never ever vanish till mankind exist from now.....it’s only needs about 21 million individuals out of 7 billion in the world to believe that they need to keep atleast one btc for life.. it’s all about time.. and I think the number is growing fast as we all know once a crypto addict always a crypto addict..😉

Broke AsFeck23:22:57 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

out of touch? lol. I think you're just an excuse maker and have accepted your own laziness.

I know what the regular person is like - You seem to assume that everyone will just 'figure it out' and understand why eos is doing things the way it is

Daz W23:23:21 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

people watch youtubers more than they read webpages

That's their problem. When i was first starting out in business at 19 years old, I really loved to eat steak, but i could only afford hamburger. What i didn't do is complain to the grociery store about steak being more expensive than hamburger. i worked until i could afford the steak.

Broke AsFeck23:23:23 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Most people in this chat are struggling to understand

Natoshi Sakamoto23:23:48 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Natoshi Sakamoto

Masters strike if successful ... KYC without KYC

Only if one biometrics equal to one vote diffusing whales

Nicholas Dooley23:23:57 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

👍👍👍👍👍

Daz W23:24:06 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

There's no real video on the voting process - the only stuff I have found is people talking about parts of the process

Nothing preventing YOU from making one.

Broke AsFeck23:24:29 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Nothing preventing YOU from making one.

I'm not skilled enough

Phil23:24:58 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ok I made 1 vote, should I really vote 29 more times or is 1 vote enough?

Daz W23:24:59 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

I know what the regular person is like - You seem to assume that everyone will just 'figure it out' and understand why eos is doing things the way it is

No, I don't care if other people figure it out. I only care if i figure it out. big difference.

Danny Patience23:25:13 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

pmtolk

how do I figure out who to vote for?

Research. Or maybe just reward those you heard doing good things for comunity.

Broke AsFeck23:25:30 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

No, I don't care if other people figure it out. I only care if i figure it out. big difference.

That's attitude isn't going to help adoption

Broke AsFeck23:25:39 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

that

Daz W23:25:59 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

I'm not skilled enough

Then become skilled.

John Vaughan23:26:06 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Any one in here get in on the Tezos ICO? Supposedly it's going to launch this month.

Phil23:26:20 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

is there a link to compare the blockproducers to vote for? I dont see anything on the eso webpage about it

Crypto Market23:26:21 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

How many airdroops done for Eos until now?

Nicholas Dooley23:26:52 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

google "EOS AIRDROPS"

Daz W23:27:20 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

That's attitude isn't going to help adoption

You can't imagine how many times i've heard someone say that. yet, the world keeps on turning. funny gow that works.

Brenton23:27:46 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I love EOS

Nicholas Dooley23:28:00 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

brjfl7

I love EOS

more than pizza?

GOF OVERLORD23:28:11 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

more than soy?

El Cabrón23:28:12 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

brjfl7

I love EOS

Dude be cool like me and drop the on

Jerm23:28:12 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Danny Patience

Please kindly answer me now. I will not be able to ask tomorrow.

Lol “danny patience”

Daz W23:28:17 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

NickDooley

more than pizza?

😂

Phil23:28:32 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

what is delegated eos in the staked eso tab?

Crypto Market23:28:35 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

goddessofdawn

Just 2? I got 4 in old Eth wallet

Natoshi Sakamoto23:28:37 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

Biometric verification coming up

Crypto Market23:28:44 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

They will be on Eos mainnet?

El Cabrón23:28:58 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Topkek

Broke AsFeck23:29:06 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

You can't imagine how many times i've heard someone say that. yet, the world keeps on turning. funny how that works.

none

Natoshi Sakamoto23:29:17 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

pmtolk

ok I made 1 vote, should I really vote 29 more times or is 1 vote enough?

One is enough

Brenton23:29:31 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

NickDooley

more than pizza?

No no not more then pizza lol

Nicholas Dooley23:29:44 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

brjfl7

No no not more then pizza lol

that's what I thought

Daz W23:29:45 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

pmtolk

is there a link to compare the blockproducers to vote for? I dont see anything on the eso webpage about it

Yes. if i find it in my bookmarks, i'll post it.

Nicholas Dooley23:30:01 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

🍕

Daz W23:30:11 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

none

How old are you?

Ezeth23:30:17 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

John Vaughan

Any one in here get in on the Tezos ICO? Supposedly it's going to launch this month.

It’s going to launch next week

Brenton23:30:58 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Any advice and where to hold your EOS I have it in a free wallet right now? Bad idea? Good? 👌

Daz W23:31:26 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

brjfl7

Any advice and where to hold your EOS I have it in a free wallet right now? Bad idea? Good? 👌

greymass

Brenton23:31:41 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

greymass

Greymass what is that?

Daz W23:31:55 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

brjfl7

Greymass what is that?

That's a wallet

reyncool 1123:31:59 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

What is the link for eos wallet?

User023:32:07 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

How old are you?

jesus christ can you drop it you have been such an annoying arrogant cunt for like a hour straight

reyncool 1123:32:29 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

goddessofdawn

What is the link for eos wallet

Brenton23:32:48 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Is there any way to store EOS offline?

Daz W23:32:56 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I don't recall ever talking to you nor have i even been in the room for an hour. grow up.

带

带着强硫酸正在准备来OK公司的路上23:33:34 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

逢高做空，严格止损。

User023:33:48 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

and yet everytime i glance at this chat i see you talking, may be you are not aware but you are talking to a room of 60k people

Daz W23:34:19 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

brjfl7

Is there any way to store EOS offline?

greymass is offline. your information is stored on your hard drive. there's only one cold storage method avaikable currently, a paper wallet.

Daz W23:35:13 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

User0Crypto

and yet everytime i glance at this chat i see you talking, may be you are not aware but you are talking to a room of 60k people

Well, you must have joined within the last 30 minutes, then, because i just got here, pal.

Jack R23:35:26 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

when is ledger nano s integration coming up? I am hesitant to enter my private key before the integration.

Brenton23:35:34 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

greymass is offline. your information is stored on your hard drive. there's only one cold storage method avaikable currently, a paper wallet.

Thank you so much moving my EOS to greymass. Appreciate it Daz

Daz W23:35:50 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

brjfl7

Thank you so much moving my EOS to greymass. Appreciate it Daz

you're welcome.

Daz W23:36:06 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jack0988

when is ledger nano s integration coming up? I am hesitant to enter my private key before the integration.

Have no idea.

Daz W23:39:46 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

User023:40:36 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

that might not have been it but i can scroll up and see your arguement starting with him at almost exactly 1 hour ago now

User023:41:41 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

that was your first comment at 3:42

Sandwich23:41:45 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Dan’s points about ownership of tokens and redistribution of property are fair. What action is required to keep your tokens active? Any transaction or vote of any kind?

Yes.

Daz W23:42:00 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

User0Crypto

What exactly is your issue? I've never had a conversation with you nor was i having a conversation with you. Maybe you should find someone that actually wants a conversation with you rather than be a wierdo.

User023:43:12 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

my issue is for Almost the last hour everytime i glanced in this chat all I have seen was you berating another member

Daz W23:43:13 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

User0Crypto

that was your first comment at 3:42

it's 6:42 right now. i was taking a nap at 3:42, so clearly you're mistaken.

User023:43:25 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jesus do you not understand time zones

User023:43:40 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

obv it was 5:42 your time then

User023:45:05 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

anyway said what i need not going to fill the chat with more worthless noise

Daz W23:45:53 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

This was my first comment today, which has NOW been an hour ago. Stop being a wierdo and go away before i contact an administrator.

Steven23:48:20 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

200000actn needed 350000thug needed 20000 fresco needed 5000 cardano needed 10000 digitex needed 100000doge needed 50000 hydro needed Who is sellin I buy a good price!!!!!

Sandwich23:51:05 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

带着强硫酸正在准备来OK公司的路上

逢高做空，严格止损。

@EOSCN

Daz W23:53:32 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

good info i just stumbbled upon by researching: http://eos-bp-votes.dapptools.info/s/api/block-producer-votes-stack-html/1/40

Songminer23:58:24 - 23 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

How do Eos plan to educate people?

I don't know, How DO YOU plan to educate people? You are EOS. There is no ONE person or entity that is EOS.. EOS is decentralized. If you see a need for education, you see an opportunity that YOU can fill.

Daz W00:00:56 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

pmtolk

is there a link to compare the blockproducers to vote for? I dont see anything on the eso webpage about it

Research this page. I believe it has some of the information you're interested in: http://eosnetworkmonitor.io/

Daz W00:01:18 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Songminer

Phil00:01:20 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Thanks!

Broke AsFeck00:01:34 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Songminer

Eos is not decentralized

Daz W00:02:03 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

pmtolk

Thanks!

You're welcome. It isn't exactly what you're looking for, but it's a start.

Songminer00:02:09 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

Eos is not decentralized

Actually, it is.

Broke AsFeck00:02:37 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Songminer

Actually, it is.

No it isn't - a hand full of people have control over the system

Songminer00:02:43 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Nope.

Sandwich00:03:01 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

Eos is not decentralized

Decentralization is the process by which the activities of an organization, particularly those regarding planning and decision-making, are distributed or delegated away from a central, authoritative location or group.

Daz W00:03:19 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

Eos is not decentralized

True decentralization does not exist. In order for true decentralization to exist, people would have to not exist.

Sandwich00:03:22 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Dictionaries are useful.

Broke AsFeck00:03:35 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

You can freeze peoples accounts and take their money - that isn't decentralized

Songminer00:03:35 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Correct. Decentralized. No central authoritive location or group.

Sandwich00:03:47 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

You can freeze peoples accounts and take their money - that isn't decentralized

No money was taken, false analogy.

Broke AsFeck00:03:53 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Songminer

Correct. Decentralized. No central authoritive location or group.

That's almost correct

Daz W00:04:03 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Songminer00:04:10 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I can! @daniellarimer can you let me know how I CAN freeze people's accounts?

Daz W00:04:35 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

You can freeze peoples accounts and take their money - that isn't decentralized

Of course it is.

Broke AsFeck00:04:39 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Songminer

I can! @daniellarimer can you let me know how I CAN freeze people's accounts?

It's already taken place -

Sandwich00:04:52 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

That's almost correct

It’s 100% correct.

Sandwich00:04:57 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

It's already taken place -

You’re incorrect.

Broke AsFeck00:05:16 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

the best thing eos can do is to be truthful - it's a voting system that's inbetween

Sandwich00:05:24 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

You may have an opinion on the form of decentralization and what that looks like, but decentralization is nothing more than what was just defined.

Songminer00:05:39 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

It's already taken place -

You're a FUDster.

Syed Jafri | EOS Cafe / Calgary00:05:40 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://developers.eos.io/

Syed Jafri | EOS Cafe / Calgary00:05:43 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

is this site breaking

Syed Jafri | EOS Cafe / Calgary00:05:45 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

for anyone else

Broke AsFeck00:05:48 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Songminer

You're a FUDster.

that's a kop ouit

Sandwich00:05:59 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

syed_jafri

for anyone else

Nope

Songminer00:05:59 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

You're in the wrong channel to be spouting BS.

Sandwich00:06:04 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

what’s broken?

Daz W00:06:32 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

the best thing eos can do is to be truthful - it's a voting system that's inbetween

Question: Were you one of the hackers that tried to take control of someone elses property and was caught? I'm just trying to figure out why you're so upset that thieves were caught?

Broke AsFeck00:06:48 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Question: Were you one of the hackers that tried to take control of someone elses property and was caught? I'm just trying to figure out why you're so upset that thieves were caught?

don't be an idiot

Sandwich00:06:58 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

syed_jafri

clear cache?

Syed Jafri | EOS Cafe / Calgary00:07:21 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

same thing on incognito windows and hard reloads, will try cache clear

Daz W00:07:46 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

don't be an idiot

Actually, it wasn't an idiotic statement. Don't resort to name-calling just because ypu can't carry on an intelligent conversation.

Songminer00:08:01 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

don't be an idiot

Then why are you upset that the BP with Arbitrator affirmation after the fact froze the accounts of those suspected of defrauding authentic owners?

Broke AsFeck00:08:02 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Actually, it wasn't an idiotic question. Don't resort to name-calling just because ypu can't carry on an intelligent conversation.

Asking idiotic questions

Broke AsFeck00:08:19 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Songminer

Then why are you upset that the BP with Arbitrator affirmation after the fact froze the accounts of those suspected of defrauding authentic owners?

I'm not upset

Daz W00:08:38 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

I'm not upset

You're fooling us, then.

Broke AsFeck00:08:41 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I just can't stand to see people lying

Sandwich00:08:54 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

I just can't stand to see people lying

Who’s lying and about what?

Daz W00:08:58 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

I just can't stand to see people lying

Who lied, and about what?

Sandwich00:09:03 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

lol

Sandwich00:09:05 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jinx

Broke AsFeck00:09:11 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

You're fooling us, then.

You're taking the debate off topic

Daz W00:09:13 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Who’s lying and about what?

😂

Sandwich00:09:30 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

You're taking the debate off topic

What’s your argument?

Broke AsFeck00:09:38 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I'm not trying to get banned, thank oyu

Broke AsFeck00:09:42 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

you

Sandwich00:09:46 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

We don’t ban for disagreements here.

Daz W00:09:46 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

You're taking the debate off topic

You created the topic. lol

egg small00:09:52 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Anyone received keos1 coins?

Syed Jafri | EOS Cafe / Calgary00:09:56 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

The site is broken

Syed Jafri | EOS Cafe / Calgary00:10:06 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://gtmetrix.com/reports/developers.eos.io/4QxYcY93

Songminer00:10:15 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS has a constitution to protect property rights. Arbitration can stop the actions of bad-actor BPs, the voters can remove them. No BP will arbitrarily take your tokens knowing their income could be destroyed for bad activity.

Syed Jafri | EOS Cafe / Calgary00:10:24 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

clear your cache :p

Broke AsFeck00:10:26 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

We don’t ban for disagreements here.

they aren't even attempting to answer my points

Daz W00:10:27 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

I'm not trying to get banned, thank oyu

You get banned for resorting name calling, not for disagreements.

Sandwich00:10:53 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

syed_jafri

clear your cache :p

cleared, changed regions...

Daz W00:11:05 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

they aren't even attempting to answer my points

You said our answers are off-topic.

Sandwich00:11:06 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Not an CDN/DNS issue.

Sandwich00:11:16 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

they aren't even attempting to answer my points

List them out

Syed Jafri | EOS Cafe / Calgary00:11:16 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Sent you a gtmetrix report

Broke AsFeck00:11:18 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

My point - eos is not decentralized

Sandwich00:11:28 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

syed_jafri

Sent you a gtmetrix report

See it, but cannot replicate

Sandwich00:11:31 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

give me a sec

Broke AsFeck00:11:31 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

List them out

how do i do that?

Songminer00:11:39 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Who is they?

Sandwich00:11:39 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

how do i do that?

Your points? List out your points.

Angry Trader00:11:40 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Proxy votes are legit

Hi Dan, do WPS need to have 1 vote- 1 token?

Daz W00:11:46 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

My point - eos is not decentralized

It most certainly is.

Sandwich00:12:00 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

syed_jafri

Sent you a gtmetrix report

any console errors?

Syed Jafri | EOS Cafe / Calgary00:12:19 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

any console errors?

```blob:https://developers.eos.io/21391ef3-256f-4f90-8f04-f2e73bdf2e83:1 Failed to load resource: net::ERR_FILE_NOT_FOUND facebook_grey.9ac652eb.svg:1 Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 () medium_grey.991ea95c.svg:1 Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 () twitter_grey.54ab045b.svg:1 Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 () github_grey.78484eab.svg:1 Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 () chat_grey.1e1b40aa.svg:1 Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 () main.js:51 Our embeddable contains third-party, open source software and/or libraries. To view them and their license terms, go to http://goto.zendesk.com/embeddable-legal-notices blockone.zendesk.com.zendesk.com/embeddable/config:1 Failed to load resource: net::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID```

Broke AsFeck00:12:36 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

It most certainly is.

a small group of people have control over everyone elses money - that isn't decentralization

Sandwich00:13:05 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

a small group of people have control over everyone elses money - that isn't decentralization

The voters have control over that group, it’s decentralization

Daz W00:13:07 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

a small group of people have control over everyone elses money - that isn't decentralization

Not true at all. Name the small group.

Broke AsFeck00:13:36 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

The voters have control over that group, it’s decentralization

the group still make the calls

Syed Jafri | EOS Cafe / Calgary00:13:39 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

any console errors?

All pages seem to be broken for me atleast

Songminer00:13:46 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

a small group of people have control over everyone elses money - that isn't decentralization

You should do a little research

Sandwich00:13:49 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

the group still make the calls

And if those calls are invalid, they are voted out.

Daz W00:13:55 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

the group still make the calls

Based on the people's election.

Josh Brown00:13:58 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Good afternoon guys... hope your Saturday is awesome!

Sandwich00:14:04 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

But ultimately, they don’t have as much control as you think.

Songminer00:14:06 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

and the calls reversed

Gilgamesh00:14:11 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Songminer

Then why are you upset that the BP with Arbitrator affirmation after the fact froze the accounts of those suspected of defrauding authentic owners?

I'm upset, suspecting something is not enough. you freeze when there's proof and unless you provide that proof, voters have no way of knowing if its malicious censorship or valid. acting without verifiable information to public is indistinguishable to malicious or deceptive action and should affect voting

Broke AsFeck00:14:12 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

And if those calls are invalid, they are voted out.

They can all agree

Sandwich00:14:21 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

They can all agree

That’s a contrived scenario

Gilgamesh00:14:30 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

a small group of people have control over everyone elses money - that isn't decentralization

voters are a big group of people and they have final control over everyone's money

Gilgamesh00:14:57 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

consensus on every blockchain decides whatever protocol lets it decide

Gilgamesh00:15:21 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

you can censor on bitcoin right now, just get more than 51% of hash rate, or what bitmain might be able to do some day who knows

Daz W00:15:29 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

That’s a contrived scenario

+1 There's a reason hypotheticals aren't admissable in court.

Sandwich00:16:02 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

you can censor on bitcoin right now, just get more than 51% of hash rate, what bitmain might be able to do some day who knows. what prevents them are a whole lot of money at stake that wouldn't fare well under that. our block producers have even more at stake.

Or run a pool and reject transactions you don’t want to enter the mempoool, you’ll block most of them.

Broke AsFeck00:16:06 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

voters are a big group of people and they have final control over everyone's money

consensus isn't decetralization

Songminer00:16:11 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

There was actually ETH contracts violated.. but I agree those details should be made public. I don't have a problem with freezing accounts until the details are verified. Onc the funds leave the blockchain, they would be much more difficult to retrieve. There's a reason for 3-day destaking.

Gilgamesh00:16:21 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

consensus isn't decetralization

that made no sense

Daz W00:16:38 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

consensus isn't decetralization

You simply don't understand the definition of decentralized.

Sandwich00:16:40 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

consensus isn't decetralization

Broke AsFeck00:16:59 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

that made no sense

3 people can have consensus and call the shots over everyone elses money

Daz W00:17:01 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Songminer00:17:20 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

👍

Broke AsFeck00:17:22 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

you seem to lack understanding

Gilgamesh00:17:28 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

decentralization = more than 1 party in control. 21 > 1. 1000s of voters is >1 . consensus is how we address byzantine generals or disagreeing parties, like longest chain rule or most approved vote weight behind something

Daz W00:17:37 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

3 people can have consensus and call the shots over everyone elses money

No they can't.

Sandwich00:17:58 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

3 people can have consensus and call the shots over everyone elses money

You’re describing bitcoin and ethereum now, kind of off-topic

Broke AsFeck00:18:19 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

You’re describing bitcoin and ethereum now, kind of off-topic

Bitcoin is decetralized, eth isn't

Sandwich00:18:34 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

Bitcoin is decetralized, eth isn't

Fakse https://blockchain.info/pools

Sandwich00:18:55 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Bitmain controls 42%

Sandwich00:19:05 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

So colusion with 9% = total control.

Daz W00:19:08 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

udy and employ behavioral finance, so this question is strictly for my own personal research purposes: were you an only child?

Sandwich00:19:11 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

And when that happens, cannot be voted out.

Gilgamesh00:19:14 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

yeah, more of issue in ethereum with giant premine and no formalized voting. if block.one tried to abuse premine in same way vitalik did, community could literally get to consensus and not only vote them out from block producer but even confiscate their money if majority wanted to.

Sandwich00:19:19 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Bitmain controls majority of worlds asic supply.

Gilgamesh00:19:35 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

well, they are voted through people switcing pools like people switch block producers

Gilgamesh00:19:44 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

but bitmain has their own hash power so much harder

Sandwich00:20:01 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

well, they are voted through people switcing pools like people switch block producers

Except that miners are profit seekers and largely disconnected from a particular protocol

Sandwich00:20:09 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

the theory is that miners vote with hashpower, but it’s a misaligned incentive.

Daz W00:20:11 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

No they can't.

I study and employ behavioral finance into my professional work, so this question is strictly for my own personal research purposes: were you an only child?

Broke AsFeck00:20:14 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Bitmain are leasing out containers to people to mine anywhere in the world

Gilgamesh00:20:26 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

yeah, a lot of them are auto switching between protocols.

Broke AsFeck00:20:26 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

that isn't mobile centralization

Broke AsFeck00:20:33 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Gilgamesh00:20:38 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://www.trustnodes.com/2018/06/23/bitmain-nears-51-bitcoins-network-hashrate?platform=hootsuite p.s. this is recent

Sandwich00:20:45 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

that isn't mobile centralization

Bitmain owns BTC.com and AntPool

Sandwich00:20:52 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Pools decide politics, not miners.

Sandwich00:21:09 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Miners are incentivized by profit, Pools are incentivized by politics. Users are incentivized by usability.

Sandwich00:21:14 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Misaligned incentives.

Sandwich00:21:30 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Pools are a middle man that exploits the needs of both parties, miners and users.

Gilgamesh00:21:31 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

pools get profit too they have ok incentives

Sandwich00:21:38 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

this is exasberbated by supply control, IE bitmain.

Broke AsFeck00:21:39 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

GMO are also about to send out 7nm miners so bitmain have real competion

Sandwich00:21:42 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

pools get profit too they have ok incentives

true.

Sandwich00:21:58 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

GMO are also about to send out 7nm miners so bitmain have real competion

Good, the majority of hashrate is produced from three countries.

Katie Roman - EOSTalks00:22:05 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLqU5BsO_la_8W3N6ELSX_w/live

Sandwich00:22:09 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

That’s not geographic distribution.

Gilgamesh00:23:09 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

for pool to lose all their income, all the hash power would have to leave them. for block producer to lose all their income, only a small fraction has to leave approving them until another producer replaces them in top 21. much easier to punish producers. and once out for malicious action, very hard to get back in, possibly for rest of time, so income times rest of time is approximately infinity dollars

Broke AsFeck00:23:52 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

The only thing bitcoin really need to do is become quatum resistant or they could become more centralized

Sandwich00:24:45 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Miners are incentivized by luck, you don’t see miners fleeing from antpool and btc.com because they are trending towards 51% control, at least, not yet. When this happened in 2013 (?) with ghash, the pool itself had to prevent itself from getting close by blocking miners.

Sandwich00:25:20 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

PoW has a natural consolidation effect.

Paul Ericson00:25:39 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

There are coins quantum resistant out there

Broke AsFeck00:25:48 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Paulstartcoin

There are coins quantum resistant out there

nexus

Mr. Cypher00:25:56 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hi guys, i have my EOS in MEW (registered) and have private key. What steps do i have to take to tranfer them to an exchange?

Paul Ericson00:26:15 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Maxcoin is quantum resistant

Paul Ericson00:26:38 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Uses Sha-3

Sandwich00:27:02 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

@syed_jafri I still cannot replicate from Canadian region.

Sandwich00:27:09 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I’ve tried 12 regions.

Sandwich00:27:14 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

3 browsers.

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