EOS Telegram Channel History

Sandwich23:18:21 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

metalbabble

Instead of quarreling over the definition of a word, just say decentralization exists on a spectrum.

👍

hadrian23:19:20 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

metalbabble

Instead of quarreling over the definition of a word, just say decentralization exists on a spectrum.

The problem isn't always quantitative. Many fail to understand the qualities of decentralisation.

Daz W23:19:50 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Raymond Shahinian

I’ve been asking this question for days and no one will answer it...I can’t get a yes or a no...I’m really not sure

Staking in greymass is simple. There's a button that says stake/unstake. The rest is pretty self explanatory. Type in the amount you want to stake or unstake.

Falling Water23:19:54 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Head over to grey mass channel LS5

Stuart23:19:59 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

LS5

I got a warning in greymass "warning: Danger Zone" destroy wallet credentials

Only if you want to delete that wallet.

Gilgamesh23:20:16 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

51% attack only applies if you own 51% of all stake

Daz W23:20:27 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Decentralization is the process by which the activities of an organization, particularly those regarding planning and decision-making, are distributed or delegated away from a central, authoritative location or group

😂🤣😂🤣

Alec Larson23:20:45 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Can someone link/invite me to the EOS governance chat?

Chad Simpson23:20:58 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It is correct to closely scrutinize how centralized an authority is, but I agree, scrutiny needs to come from individuals who can discern the qualitative differences.

Raymond Shahinian23:21:13 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Staking in greymass is simple. There's a button that says stake/unstake. The rest is pretty self explanatory. Type in the amount you want to stake or unstake.

I see...if I unstake can I send it the coins to bitfinex?

Daz W23:21:37 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

LS5

I got a warning in greymass "warning: Danger Zone" destroy wallet credentials

That's an option for if you ever want to destroy the application and its contents from your computer. It's not really a warning. It just says warning to make you aware of that function.

Kelvin @koinlambo23:22:07 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Staking in greymass is simple. There's a button that says stake/unstake. The rest is pretty self explanatory. Type in the amount you want to stake or unstake.

So if I have 100 eos and want to sell all of it. I have to Unstake 99 Eos? Keep 1 eos for fees?

Falling Water23:22:10 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

In 72 hrs after unstaking

LS523:22:10 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

That's an option for if you ever want to destroy the application and its contents from your computer. It's not really a warning. It just says warning to make you aware of that function.

thanks! do you know how to unstack the remaining tokens?

Daz W23:22:53 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Raymond Shahinian

I see...if I unstake can I send it the coins to bitfinex?

Yes.

Falling Water23:23:11 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Leave like .01

Sandwich23:24:05 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

aleclarson

Can someone link/invite me to the EOS governance chat?

@EOSGov

Chad Simpson23:24:08 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I think the way solidity makes it easy to create and distribute tokens, BPs should make it a priority to write a step-by-step guide to token gen and dist on their own network.

Daz W23:24:15 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

kelvino88

So if I have 100 eos and want to sell all of it. I have to Unstake 99 Eos? Keep 1 eos for fees?

Or unstake 99.90 and leave .1 staked. Whatever you like.

lee smith23:24:31 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

unsteak..... why would anyone want to unsteak when you can steak for ever!

brainnipper (Ed Kat)23:24:50 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

😂😂😂👍🏻

Falling Water23:25:05 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Lol

Chad Simpson23:25:14 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Sandwich is proof of steak

Falling Water23:25:35 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Stake err day

Gavin23:28:29 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

kelvino88

So if I have 100 eos and want to sell all of it. I have to Unstake 99 Eos? Keep 1 eos for fees?

yikes worse time to sell imo but you do you man

LS523:29:07 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

which exchanges are already accepting EOS deposites?

studio23:29:52 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

is scatter or cleo only way to create new accounts atm?

Daz W23:29:54 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

LS5

which exchanges are already accepting EOS deposites?

Bitfinex, kraken, several decentralized exchanges, and others.

Falling Water23:30:08 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Well at least people are taking time to use the wallets now

Kelvin @koinlambo23:30:46 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Or unstake 99.90 and leave .1 staked. Whatever you like. It’s not a fee. Transactions in eosio are free. It’s for Ram consumption. You could only leave .001 EOS staked but your transactions will crawl and possibly take weeks to finish. Ram dictates the speed of your transactions to a certain degree. Sandwich knows more about this than I. Maybe someone else can be more thorough explaining it to you.

Thanks Daz 🙏🙏🙏

Henandu23:30:54 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Number one reason why EOS will ultimately become bigger than all other blockchains is the very reason that many are attacking EOS right now, which is it's a governance blockchain. I believe this is the key ultimately garnering Mass adoption.

Falling Water23:31:01 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Now where's the door

Daz W23:31:02 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

kelvino88

Thanks Daz 🙏🙏🙏

You’re welcome.

Daz W23:32:35 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Henandu

I agree.

Stuart23:32:53 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Henandu

Garan23:32:53 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Mugenpower78

china owns eos

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/cointelegraph.com/news/china-s-latest-government-backed-crypto-rankings-put-eos-1st-btc-17th/amp

Gavin23:33:00 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Did you all see the new crypto rankings from China? EOS #1 BTC #17.

Gavin23:33:01 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

haha

Gavin23:33:07 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i was literally just typing about that

Gavin23:33:21 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

that's after the technical issues we experienced too

Gavin23:34:25 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

glewis1111

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/cointelegraph.com/news/china-s-latest-government-backed-crypto-rankings-put-eos-1st-btc-17th/amp

Did you just 51% attack my brain?

Daz W23:34:32 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Gavin

Did you all see the new crypto rankings from China? EOS #1 BTC #17.

Been out for a couple days.

Gilgamesh23:35:38 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

it took me forever to figure out what defenders of auctions are saying about article XV. * it requires soft fork to activate so not in danger now * it's not saying all EOS will be confiscated from users * it's saying account as a whole will be auctioned off automatically and any value of it when sold at market value so that it can price very hard to price things like unique aliases and permissions and tokens it has in any variation - and ALL proceeds in form of EOS will be made available through an automated contract to original owner's public/private key for when he comes back how right is this? so if account has just 20 eos, market value of it will be at least 20 eos so nothing is lost. you don't lose your EOS coins this way, tokens on smart contracts would be replaced by market value in eos, along with everything else like cool names, ram, storage, and anything imagination allows.

LS523:41:27 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

what happens if you send EOS to an unexistant account?

LS523:41:38 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

do you recieve the money back?

LS523:42:42 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I sent EOS from greymass to kraken and

links o723:43:11 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Please where can I find the telegram link?

Raymond Shahinian23:45:50 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

LS5

I sent EOS from greymass to kraken and I just wrote the wallet name in my kraken account

Did that work?

Daz W23:47:15 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Linkso7

Please where can I find the telegram link?

Telegram link to what?

LS523:47:18 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Raymond Shahinian

Did that work?

no I hope the network recognizes it as a fail transaction and send me the eos back

links o723:48:12 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Do worry I got it

Raymond Shahinian23:48:44 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

You sent a small amount first though

Raymond Shahinian23:48:50 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Right?

LS523:48:58 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Raymond Shahinian

You sent a small amount first though

yeah

lil2good23:49:03 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Raymond Shahinian

You sent a small amount first though

i do 0.1 to test lol

Daz W23:49:11 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

LS5

no I hope the network recognizes it as a fail transaction and send me the eos back

Anytime I’m sending to a location I’ve never sent to before, I always create a test send in which I send just a sliver of the amount I intend to make sure the system works BEFORE I send a total amount.

LS523:49:40 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

yeah thankfully I did that

Raymond Shahinian23:50:04 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I’m gonna bitfinex later...from what I read they are active with the eos mainnet Can anyone confirm this for ls5?

Raymond Shahinian23:50:16 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

*try

Daz W23:50:51 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Raymond Shahinian

I’m gonna bitfinex later...from what I read they are active with the eos mainnet Can anyone confirm this for ls5?

Haven’t used it but that’s what I’ve heard.

Datajunky23:50:56 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Henry Ekerendu

airdrops, the fact it's a world computer, storage, RAM lockup...just too many upsides. Makes other projects look very bad. For me, the greatest feature that stands EOS out is the Dutch Auction. This is the number 1 thing in building a true decentralized system.

Totally agree. Can't say this enough...but this project is so forward thinking, it still surprises me.

lil2good23:51:18 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Raymond Shahinian

I’m gonna bitfinex later...from what I read they are active with the eos mainnet Can anyone confirm this for ls5?

They got a 10K min to trade and a $250 min to withdraw

Prospex23:51:28 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Y We tanking?

lil2good23:51:45 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

adamc88

Y We tanking?

market

Datajunky23:51:47 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Raymond Shahinian

I’m gonna bitfinex later...from what I read they are active with the eos mainnet Can anyone confirm this for ls5?

Yes, I use bitfinex

Prospex23:52:29 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

lil2good

market

but why

lil2good23:52:46 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

adamc88

but why

so we can buy more crypto :)

Datajunky23:52:50 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

adamc88

Y We tanking?

@eosprice

Raymond Shahinian23:53:08 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Datajunky

Yes, I use bitfinex

I still believe in eos long term...just wanna sell some in case it dips more I have to protect myself

Falling Water23:53:27 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It's a giant crypto blow out sale

Raymond Shahinian23:53:30 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I’ll buy back if it dips to 4 or 5

Prospex23:53:35 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

lil2good

so we can buy more crypto :)

Lol thats actually bad advice. People been buying the dip since January

lee smith23:53:51 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

lil2good23:54:08 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

adamc88

Lol thats actually bad advice. People been buying the dip since January

I would never buy at that time

Raymond Shahinian23:54:09 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

lil2good

They got a 10K min to trade and a $250 min to withdraw

Is that true?

lil2good23:54:14 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I waited

lil2good23:54:27 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I got alot before and more later

Prospex23:54:41 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

lil2good

I waited

So you never bought anything this year?

lil2good23:55:02 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

adamc88

So you never bought anything this year?

I have but not in Q1

lee smith23:55:26 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

1 day chart wait for rsi to hit bottom buy in sell when it crosses top - done easy

Prospex23:55:29 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

You're still in the negatives tho

lee smith23:55:35 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

repeat

Datajunky23:55:38 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Just talk about it in the proper room though. @eosprice

lil2good23:55:43 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Lee_NoDdy_Smith

1 day chart wait for rsi to hit bottom buy in sell when it crosses top - done easy

true

Prospex23:56:39 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Datajunky

Just talk about it in the proper room though. @eosprice

How long has this group been going?

Daz W23:56:42 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Datajunky

Just talk about it in the proper room though. @eosprice

lee smith23:56:46 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

it is, people complicate shit to much. rsi tells u everything u need to no,

Bill Wilkinson23:56:46 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

NicholasBlack

China's Latest Government-Backed Crypto Rankings Put EOS 1st, BTC 17th

Thats because it lines up witg their form of government. China would never back something that put the power in freedom.

Datajunky23:56:48 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Raymond Shahinian

Is that true?

Yeah, 10k minimum for new accounts. Pretty elitist if you ask me, I don't agree with that policy

Datajunky23:57:36 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

adamc88

How long has this group been going?

Since the beginning, like may 2017 I think

LS523:58:08 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

if I sent my eos to an unexistant account will I recieve them back?

Datajunky23:59:28 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

LS5

if I sent my eos to an unexistant account will I recieve them back?

How can this be possible

lee smith23:59:45 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

thats why i bought march 18th sold 24th april kept some for eos mainnet launch. - now looking to buy more,

Daz W00:00:04 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Datajunky

Yeah, 10k minimum for new accounts. Pretty elitist if you ask me, I don't agree with that policy

Price stabilization. Bigger accounts tend not to day trade as much. I think it’s a good thing.

LS500:00:23 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Datajunky

How can this be possible

greymass ask for a account name so you can withdrawal your tokens, so I went ahead and in kraken I copied and past my eos 12 letter account name

Datajunky00:00:51 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Price stabilization. Bigger accounts tend not to day trade as much. I think it’s a good thing.

Yeah its great for bitfinex and their buddies,but it's an off ramp for adoption. And we need adoption, desperately

Datajunky00:01:49 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

LS5

greymass ask for a account name so you can withdrawal your tokens, so I went ahead and in kraken I copied and past my eos 12 letter account name

So you sent them to yourself?

Daz W00:01:56 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Datajunky

Yeah its great for bitfinex and their buddies,but it's an off ramp for adoption. And we need adoption, desperately

Tons of exchanges that don’t require as large of a deposit. Having one that requires large deposits doesn’t disrupt adoption.

Daz W00:02:34 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Datajunky

So you sent them to yourself?

Sounds like that’s exactly what happened.

lee smith00:02:44 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

someone named there monster Cookie Monster

LS500:02:49 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Datajunky

So you sent them to yourself?

i wrote krakenkraken which is under my eos account name

lee smith00:02:49 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

im dead

lee smith00:02:51 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i need sleep

lee smith00:02:54 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Datajunky00:03:08 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Meh split hairs on amounts really, bfx has nice volumes and average Joe should have access. Moot point with DeX coming

lee smith00:03:14 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

http://monstereos.io/? #61

lee smith00:03:28 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

monstereos.io/? #61

Datajunky00:03:32 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

LS5

i wrote krakenkraken which is under my eos account name

You need to speak with kraken customer service asap.

Daz W00:03:49 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Datajunky

Meh split hairs on amounts really, bfx has nice volumes and average Joe should have access. Moot point with DeX coming

$10k is pretty average, imo.

Datajunky00:03:50 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Open a support ticket

lee smith00:03:54 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

m o n s t e r e o s.io/? #61 cookie monster LOL

Datajunky00:04:22 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

$10k is pretty average, imo.

Yeah, I love it. Just don't think it's fair for new accounts

Daz W00:04:58 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Datajunky

Yeah, I love it. Just don't think it's fair for new accounts

Those people have several other exchanges they can go to. Options are available.

LS500:05:50 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

is it safe to share your account origin?

Daz W00:06:25 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

LS5

is it safe to share your account origin?

I believe it’s safe to share any information as long as it’s not your private key.

Datajunky00:06:34 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

LS5

is it safe to share your account origin?

Just your public key is fine. NOT PRIVATE KEYS

Maya00:06:43 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

I believe it’s safe to share any information as long as it’s not your private key.

DONT share private keys.

Maya00:06:44 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Indeed.

LS500:06:49 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Datajunky

Just your public key is fine. NOT PRIVATE KEYS

were can i see my publick key?

Maya00:07:04 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Mostly you can extract that from your wallet.

LS500:07:17 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I am ussing greymass

Maya00:07:24 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DONT DONT send your private key. Since then you give people ACCESS to your funds!!

Maya00:07:34 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

YOUR funds.

Daz W00:07:35 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

LS5

were can i see my public key?

You had to have it in order to sign into greymass.

Maya00:07:45 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

You had to have it in order to sign into greymass.

Indeed.

Daz W00:07:50 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It starts with “EOS”

AnotherLonelyDay00:08:08 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

no updates on an official wallet ?

Maya00:08:19 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Sorry for the spam btw boys. Me and a friend of mine are trying to set up a channel 😊

Datajunky00:08:32 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

LS5

were can i see my public key?

You can find it using your eth address if you registered it

Daz W00:08:33 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

AnotherLonelyDay

no updates on an official wallet ?

Cleos is an official wallet.

Datajunky00:09:37 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

AnotherLonelyDay

no updates on an official wallet ?

Define "official"

Eyasu Adebo00:09:45 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

What’s the price of EON?

LS500:10:10 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Datajunky

You can find it using your eth address if you registered it

does public Addresses start with EOS.....

Maya00:10:17 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Yes.

AnotherLonelyDay00:10:24 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Datajunky

Define "official"

I'm scared to move EOS from MEW . .

Datajunky00:10:30 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://github.com/greymass/eos-voter https://github.com/eosrio/simpleos - https://eosrio.io/simpleos/ http://scatter-eos.com/ http://eostoolkit.io/

Daz W00:10:54 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If you’re in greymass right now, click wallet, account data, and it’s in that text box.

Datajunky00:11:24 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

AnotherLonelyDay

I'm scared to move EOS from MEW . .

You can't. Mew is ethereum. Those tokens are frozen. There's new EOS waiting for you on the mainnet

AnotherLonelyDay00:11:42 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

you know what I mean

Garan00:12:07 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

a rational response to EOS fud..https://youtu.be/fquoGyxy2bU

Daz W00:12:28 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

AnotherLonelyDay

I'm scared to move EOS from MEW . .

You can’t “move” your coins. Your coins are permanently attached to the blockchain. A wallet only allows you to view them and interact with them. You cannot move them. The tokens in your mew account are permanently frozen. You’ll never use them again.

El Cabrón00:12:30 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hey I totally object to block producers being able to block accounts. I think its bullshit and centralizes EOS and thus the SEC could declare it a security.

El Cabrón00:12:48 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

This needs to be rectified immediately

El Cabrón00:13:24 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Only reason ETH was declared not a security is because SEC said its not centralized

Daz W00:13:25 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DiscipleOfKEK

Hey I totally object to block producers being able to block accounts. I think its bullshit and centralizes EOS and thus the SEC could declare it a security.

Nobody cares.

El Cabrón00:13:52 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Nobody cares.

Oh you speak for everyone do you?

Daz W00:14:11 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DiscipleOfKEK

Oh you speak for everyone do you?

I’ve been around here long enough to know, nobody cares.

El Cabrón00:14:21 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

You think centralized authority in this space is a good thing?

Daz W00:14:24 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It’s only an issue to people that don’t understand the facts.

Crypto Beaver00:14:34 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i think hype is a good thing

El Cabrón00:14:40 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

So explain it to me

Cryto Lover00:14:51 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hi there, how can we check for eos balance on blockchain with public address?

El Cabrón00:14:58 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If SEC says EOS is a security its OVER

El Cabrón00:15:03 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Done

Crypto Beaver00:15:15 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

no1 cares

Crypto Beaver00:15:20 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

they already sold

Daz W00:15:38 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Literally everyday some noob comes in here trying to argue about centralization. I’ve had the debate more times than you’ve even thought of the subject matter. Trust me, nobody cares and you’re wasting your breath and our time.

Noble-11700:16:08 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

The EOS "killer app" for the corporate space will be a robust ERP/CRM system similar to Microsoft Dynamics 365 Enterprise (formerly Axapta + CRM). Yet, I have not heard anything about something like that as a dApp project. It could be huge. Anyone hear of anything similar in development for EOS?

El Cabrón00:16:17 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I might have sold but my tokens are stuck because i dont have a bitfinex account and no other exchange I know of has opened deposits

Tequila00:16:45 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS117

Why would that be best developed on eos?

AnotherLonelyDay00:16:56 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DiscipleOfKEK

I might have sold but my tokens are stuck because i dont have a bitfinex account and no other exchange I know of has opened deposits

you can send to my bitfinex account. . I'll sell for you

HAVE SOME BALLS TO USE IT00:17:00 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

We are rocken rolla. We don't care our funds

Tequila00:17:03 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DiscipleOfKEK

I might have sold but my tokens are stuck because i dont have a bitfinex account and no other exchange I know of has opened deposits

Kraken

Daz W00:17:22 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DiscipleOfKEK

If SEC says EOS is a security its OVER

The SEC doesn’t control the worlds currencies. They only control what’s in the U.S. EOS doesn’t have to be available in the U.S. for it to survive. Your argument right off the bat is an inexperienced one

Tequila00:18:18 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DiscipleOfKEK

If SEC says EOS is a security its OVER

If ether isn’t a security, there no way eos is one

Noble-11700:18:48 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Why would that be best developed on eos?

EOS can handle it and enterprises want it - desperately.

Urius - EOSTalks00:19:12 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Old Man

In the past most crypto startups had limited capital - all of which went to dev - and little or no mentoring/strategy which meant very little and very poor marketing. BTS is like the posterchild for great tech no one knows about. VC funded projects are typically required to have market studies and marketing strategies in place and I'm surprised we aren't seeing marketing campaigns. In the app world ROI is hugely dependent on marketing, will be no different for DAPPs. So much low hanging fruit out there for porting current apps and businesses to EOS DAPPs

Yeah but would you as a vc want to announce anything with the state of things ?

Tequila00:19:24 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS117

EOS can handle it and enterprises want it - desperately.

Yes but I mean what about eos makes it more appropriate for this application than a traditional database

El Cabrón00:19:26 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

I'm not arguing anything I would like a friendly person to alleviate my concerns

Urius - EOSTalks00:19:37 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I think it is wise to build in background and announce the news when chain is stable

El Cabrón00:19:38 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I admit im not informed

Urius - EOSTalks00:19:44 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Makes no sense now

Daz W00:20:07 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DiscipleOfKEK

I'm not arguing anything I would like a friendly person to alleviate my concerns

Maybe someone else can do it.

Noble-11700:20:52 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Yes but I mean what about eos makes it more appropriate for this application than a traditional database

Too much to go into in a chat. Watch some videos and read up on it.

El Cabrón00:21:17 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Anyone know where I can read about block producers and their function?

Daz W00:22:01 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Yes but I mean what about eos makes it more appropriate for this application than a traditional database

Costs.

Tequila00:22:34 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS117

Too much to go into in a chat. Watch some videos and read up on it.

Yeah I’ve been doing this for a year, I’m not sure there’s anything left to read about it

Decentralist00:23:05 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS117

This would be good, is this a SAGE sort of platform?

Tequila00:23:39 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

What information would be stored in the blockchain?

Decentralist00:23:54 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I do think the whole world of accounting, crm & supply chain management could do with some new competitors

username00:24:24 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

CRM on a blockchain omegalul

Daz W00:24:44 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DiscipleOfKEK

I might have sold but my tokens are stuck because i dont have a bitfinex account and no other exchange I know of has opened deposits

Kraken and several decentralized exchanges.

Hot Karate00:25:48 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Is there a break down somewhere on eos website as to what they will be doing with the 4billion $ they raised ???

Tequila00:26:04 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

So we would store all peoples private contacts in the blockchain forever

Tequila00:26:07 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hmmm.....

Tequila00:26:25 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Not necessarily the user experience I’m looking for as a business

Gavin00:27:19 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS117

Sooo much money gets dumped into these things. It's insane. Having erp on EOS would make a lot of sense. Blockchain is perfect for it. Probably end up saving a lot on audits this way too.

Gavin00:27:54 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Decentralist

This would be good, is this a SAGE sort of platform?

Sage is garbage

Noble-11700:28:16 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Gavin

Sooo much money gets dumped into these things. It's insane. Having erp on EOS would make a lot of sense. Blockchain is perfect for it. Probably end up saving a lot on audits this way too.

👍

Gavin00:28:38 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Great idea

Noble-11700:28:54 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

So we would store all peoples private content in the blockchain forever

You don't understand ERP/CRM.

Gavin00:28:57 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Expensive to develop but it would do well

Adler Gabriel00:30:09 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

True iPhone wallet coming?

Gavin00:30:38 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ERP is where I first really became successful with recruiting. I know the space and it's advantages and challenges well

Carbonform Pumpus00:31:40 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rwe rich yet

Tequila00:32:01 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS117

You don't understand ERP/CRM.

Explain he most basic reason why ERP/CRM would be appropriate for a blockchain

Tequila00:32:19 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Don’t just tell me I don’t understand. I actually built one for a living lol

Noble-11700:33:23 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Gavin

Expensive to develop but it would do well

VERY on both counts, but perhaps worthwhile to take one/some of the open source ERP/CRM projects and put it on EOS, then build it out. Easy-peasy. Especially if airdrop funded.

Hot Karate00:33:27 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Why is eos still frozen on binance ?

ac00:34:35 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

only Binance can tell you the answer

Daz W00:35:23 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

redstarm31

Why is eos still frozen on binance ?

It's not. Binance has froze your binance account. Nothing to do with eosio. Ask binance.

BTC场外大额交易00:35:54 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

selling large amount of btc

Hot Karate00:35:54 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

It's not. Binance has froze your binance account. Nothing to do with eosio. Ask binance.

My other coins are not frozen. Only my eos tokens

Noble-11700:36:11 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Don’t just tell me I don’t understand. I actually built one for a living lol

Respectfully, I'm not here to convince you, explain it to you, or make the case. There are plenty of resources available to educate yourself.

Daz W00:37:12 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

redstarm31

My other coins are not frozen. Only my eos tokens

You aren't understanding. Binance has frozen your private key, not the eos coin. Binance has no control over the eos coin bor does eosio have any control over binance.

Gavin00:37:15 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I can understand where both of you are coming from on this. With EOS I believe it makes sense. Other Blockchains not so much.

Gavin00:38:31 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

There are so many flavors of erp there are plenty types that would work and plenty that wouldn't

Tequila00:38:33 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS117

Respectfully, I'm not here to convince you, explain it to you, or make the case. There are plenty of resources available to educate yourself.

That’s fine, I’m just saying that many use cases for blockchains make no sense. When people say “you don’t get it, read more” and can’t explain very quickly why Any blockchain project is suitable....

Tequila00:38:39 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Chances are, it’s not

Gavin00:39:25 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

So you're both probably right lol

Tequila00:39:59 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

That being said, eos has huge potential and I’m always interested in hearing about great applications for the technology

Gavin00:40:22 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I think a lighter version ERP for medium sized companies on EOS would be great.

Gavin00:40:36 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Lots of transparency

Noble-11700:41:40 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Gavin

I can understand where both of you are coming from on this. With EOS I believe it makes sense. Other Blockchains not so much.

EOS is the only one that could handle the scale and volume. I think if someone were to start it, there would be a LOT of community and external interest. EVERY serious business needs a such a system.

Gavin00:41:40 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

But yeah.. when we start trying to manage resources for 10,000+ employee operations that are in all types of business ventures it would be very prohibitive

Gavin00:43:17 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

At first anyway. I'm sure more solutions will be built that will make it possible in the future

Chris Ponts | EOS.cafe |00:43:38 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

is there an account overview that shows the amounts for transferred tokens?

Shae00:44:25 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Not sure I understand exactly your question, but maybe EOS Park?

Jakob00:45:14 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

have you guys already registered for the upcoming wizards airdrop? https://tinyurl.com/cryptowizards

Jakob00:45:32 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I think this is very promissing

Jason00:45:37 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS needs it's Crypto Kitty moment

Jason00:46:02 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Maybe someone can make a clone of it 🤣

Jason00:46:11 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Show how much faster it is on EOS as opposed to Ethereum

Daz W00:46:16 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

redstarm31

What's your question?

Noble-11700:46:46 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Gavin

At first anyway. I'm sure more solutions will be built that will make it possible in the future

Every one of these dApps is probably going to track revenue, disbursements, inventory, etc. in Quickbooks or whatever. Seems common sense to build something more native to EOS.

Jakob00:46:46 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaymoney710

EOS needs it's Crypto Kitty moment

it's already in the make

Jakob00:47:14 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jackmi95

have you guys already registered for the upcoming wizards airdrop? https://tinyurl.com/cryptowizards

here you go. This will be much better than cryptokitties

Jakob00:47:19 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

and all eos based

Gavin00:47:25 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS117

Every one of these dApps is probably going to track revenue, disbursements, inventory, etc. in Quickbooks or whatever. Seems common sense to build something more native to EOS.

100%

Hot Karate00:47:38 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

What's your question?

Is this normal for other people that have eos on binance. I cannot withdraw eos from binance

Gavin00:48:13 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS117

Every one of these dApps is probably going to track revenue, disbursements, inventory, etc. in Quickbooks or whatever. Seems common sense to build something more native to EOS.

Pretty much what I described :) a lighter version for small to medium sized operations. It would crush

Gavin00:49:15 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS117

Every one of these dApps is probably going to track revenue, disbursements, inventory, etc. in Quickbooks or whatever. Seems common sense to build something more native to EOS.

You definitely have a great idea. you should build it

Noble-11700:49:20 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Gavin

Pretty much what I described :) a lighter version for small to medium sized operations. It would crush

Yup...snatch up a premade open source solution and off to market.

Gavin00:49:46 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS117

Yup...snatch up a premade open source solution and off to market.

Couple tweeks. Some UAT

Daz W00:49:46 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

redstarm31

Is this normal for other people that have eos on binance. I cannot withdraw eos from binance

Yes. Binance has done that to all eos account holders. The fix is simple. Swap your eos for eth then send your eth to kraken and repurchase eos with your eth. then you can transfer your eos anywhere except for exchanges that have the same policy as binance.

Gavin00:49:52 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Boom

Shae00:50:46 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Does anyone remember what the site is where I can see EOS airdrops on mainnet?

Noble-11700:50:54 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Gavin

You definitely have a great idea. you should build it

Ha! I've been doing ERP 20+ years. I'm not the one. Some younger version of me should do it. 😊

Daz W00:52:29 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

OpenYourWallet

Does anyone remember what the site is where I can see EOS airdrops on mainnet?

eosflare.io

Shae00:53:03 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Daz W00:53:38 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Fender00:53:57 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

once you figure out how easy it is to vote theres really no reason not to.

Tommy00:54:12 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/8tfst3/a_very_high_percentage_of_eos_block_producers_are/

Tommy00:54:12 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

guys is this true ?

Chris Ponts | EOS.cafe |00:54:20 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

eosflare.io

That site doesn't show airdrop tokens

Shae00:55:02 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I can see it transferred in, but it isn't quite the site I was looking for.

Daz W00:55:11 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Chris Ponts | EOS.cafe |

That site doesn't show airdrop tokens

yes it does.

Tommy00:55:53 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

is not one gonna address the reddit post

Tommy00:56:08 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

thats major as it oposes what eos is meant to be?

Daz W00:56:19 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

OpenYourWallet

I can see it transferred in, but it isn't quite the site I was looking for.

if you're trying to view airdrop tokens you recieved on the old eos erc20, those are found in your eth account.

Shae00:57:39 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Nah, there was another site that had a dropdown for token type, would show EOS and any airdropped ones. I just forget what site. I can confirm the same thing on eosflare though

Daz W00:57:39 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Chris Ponts | EOS.cafe |

That site doesn't show airdrop tokens

Are you affiliated with the eos cafe block producer?

Fender00:59:03 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Tommy

thats major as it oposes what eos is meant to be?

some bps dont want to use hundreds of thousands of dollars to get started just to not get elected. if they get elected and start getting paid well they plan on using that to buy equiptment. its a smart buisness move, but dosent look good in somes perspective. their end intention is to be on their own servers and hardware

Chris Ponts | EOS.cafe |00:59:33 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Yes, I'm working on the cafe locations, but not the technical side of producing blocks.

Tommy00:59:58 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Fender

have they all stated this, cyperglass is the only one i've seen say they have actual hardware to run eos then selves

Daz W00:59:59 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

OpenYourWallet

Nah, there was another site that had a dropdown for token type, would show EOS and any airdropped ones. I just forget what site. I can confirm the same thing on eosflare though

Sir, you're talking about a completely different token. the eos "token" that is permanently frozen is on the ETH blockchain. Any airdrops associated with it goes on the ETH block. You asked how to view airdrops on the EOS coin that ISN'T frozen. two completely different crypto's.

Jason01:00:26 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS117

Every one of these dApps is probably going to track revenue, disbursements, inventory, etc. in Quickbooks or whatever. Seems common sense to build something more native to EOS.

It needs to be heavily publicized.

Daz W01:00:40 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Chris Ponts | EOS.cafe |

Yes, I'm working on the cafe locations, but not the technical side of producing blocks.

Cool. Now i know who not to vote for.

Fender01:00:48 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Tommy

have they all stated this, cyperglass is the only one i've seen say they have actual hardware to run eos then selves

ive seen alot say this. not saying all. there is so many. but it only makes sense.

Jason01:01:15 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

There has to be a poster child for EOS - like "hey this major web application runs on EOS so it must be good"

Jason01:01:27 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Until then, the naysayers have all the power

Tommy01:01:35 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Fender

ive seen alot say this. not saying all. there is so many. but it only makes sense.

not tryna fud just tryna find truth, its still early days but still we need actual hardware run eos not cloud services

Daz W01:01:36 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

OpenYourWallet

Nah, there was another site that had a dropdown for token type, would show EOS and any airdropped ones. I just forget what site. I can confirm the same thing on eosflare though

That site is called etherscan.io

Chris Ponts | EOS.cafe |01:01:48 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Cool. Now i know who not to vote for.

All because I pointed out you were wrong!? Don't get so butthurt.

Fender01:02:19 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Tommy

not tryna fud just tryna find truth, its still early days but still we need actual hardware run eos not cloud services

its in the communitys hands. they can simply only vote for bps with thir own hardware.

Daz W01:02:26 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Chris Ponts | EOS.cafe |

All because I pointed out you were wrong!? Don't get so butthurt.

No. because you incorrectly stated i was wrong when i in fact am not.

Shae01:02:30 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

No... I'm very clear on what I'm talking about. It's using my mainnet account name, the primary token is always EOS, and there was a dropdown where I could select ADD and see that. Which was only airdropped on the mainnet. So, no I wasn't. And I'm not talking about etherscan. Clearly you don't know what site I'm talking about, and I don't either, so nevermind.

Chris Ponts | EOS.cafe |01:02:56 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

No. because you incorrectly stated i was wrong when i in fact am not.

You must not understand what an airdropped token is. EOS is not one of these.

Daz W01:03:52 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

OpenYourWallet

the mainnet is the EOSIO COIN, not the erc20 token that is frozen :)

Chris Ponts | EOS.cafe |01:04:08 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

No. because you incorrectly stated i was wrong when i in fact am not.

Shae asked for a website to view the airdropped tokens. You gave an incorrect answer, as eosflare does not show these airdropped tokens. It's that simple

Shae01:04:18 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Wow yes I know that. You really aren't getting it

Daz W01:04:35 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

OpenYourWallet

you can view the ADD airdrop in eosflare.io, as i originally stated.

Shae01:04:52 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I'm simply looking for a site that had a different UI than eosflare. I don't care about ERC-20 airdrops nor am I looking for them. I know how to view them.

Tequila01:05:01 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

What is ADD

Scott C01:05:13 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaymoney710

Until then, the naysayers have all the power

Main net is live less than a month. Network stability and optimisation is important. Daps are coming. Rome wasn’t built...

Fender01:05:26 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

What is ADD

some kids have it. some adults also.

Karlitos Way01:05:27 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I still have eos on the "erc20 eth adress" with private/public key registered. I have an account name too. Havent moved them. Where can i see my airdrops?

Shae01:06:02 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

idk how he thinks I'm still talking about ERC-20 when I clearly said I'm using my mainnet account name to look it up. Sigh.

Daz W01:06:02 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Chris Ponts | EOS.cafe |

You must not understand what an airdropped token is. EOS is not one of these.

I never said EOS is an airdrop token you fuckin douche. i've been here a long time helping people find solutions to their questions. go aeay.

Shae01:06:05 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Fender

some kids have it. some adults also.

Shae01:06:10 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

What is ADD

First EOS Mainnet airdrop. Not really sure what it is other than that their website is in chinese.

Fender01:06:37 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

when onot drop\

Fender01:06:55 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

more importantly eon

Tequila01:07:01 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Will all drops show up in on sites like eospark?

Chris Ponts | EOS.cafe |01:07:10 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

I never said EOS is an airdrop token you fuckin douche. i've been here a long time helping people find solutions to their questions. go away.

Again... Shae asked for a website that shows airdropped tokens, you gave a link to a site that does not do this. What part are you having trouble understanding?

Tequila01:07:50 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Chris Ponts | EOS.cafe |

Again... Shae asked for a website that shows airdropped tokens, you gave a link to a site that does not do this. What part are you having trouble understanding?

Eospark.com

Jason01:08:20 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

scottisatthepool

Main net is live less than a month. Network stability and optimisation is important. Daps are coming. Rome wasn’t built...

True

Daz W01:08:25 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Chris Ponts | EOS.cafe |

Shae asked for a website to view the airdropped tokens. You gave an incorrect answer, as eosflare does not show these airdropped tokens. It's that simple

Here idiot. this is the eosflare.io site i gave. now tell me you can't view airdroped tokens to the mainnet on it :)

Daz W01:09:06 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

im waiting, slick

Tequila01:09:20 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Man everyone is crypto is salty as hell right now

Tequila01:09:36 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

This much rage can only mean one thing

Daz W01:09:51 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

still waiting for you to tell me, once again, eosflare.io doesn't show airdrops.

Chris Ponts | EOS.cafe |01:09:57 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

This is a picture of a transfer from one account to another. This is not a list showing airdropped tokens on the mainnet. This isn't hard to comprehend.

Noble-11701:09:57 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

This much rage can only mean one thing

MOON!

Daz W01:10:15 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

let me know when you pick up your jaw, idiot

Daz W01:10:36 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Chris Ponts | EOS.cafe |

This is a picture of a transfer from one account to another. This is not a list showing airdropped tokens on the mainnet. This isn't hard to comprehend.

ADD is an airdrop, you tool.

Tequila01:11:03 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Chris Ponts | EOS.cafe |

This is a picture of a transfer from one account to another. This is not a list showing airdropped tokens on the mainnet. This isn't hard to comprehend.

I’m finding it really tough, if you called me an idiot I might get it

Ploutos Roman01:14:27 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

is there a site that will display my dorps with scatter?

Muad'Dib01:14:45 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Daz

Muad'Dib01:14:49 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

chainverse.com/eos-airdrops

Chris Ponts | EOS.cafe |01:15:06 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Man everyone is crypto is salty as hell right now

Must be the drop in price, or cognitive dissonace. Thanks for the link though!

Daz W01:15:23 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

This previous vote just changed

Muad'Dib01:15:42 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

list of all the airdrops and dates

Muad'Dib01:15:52 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

some dates have changed I guess

Daz W01:16:38 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

much better

Xlr801:17:24 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Does Eos blockchain have a we

Xlr801:17:34 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Webserver?

Crypto Lover01:18:25 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It has many web servers

Daz W01:18:40 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

crylos_exquire

Daz

Muad'Dib01:18:45 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

www.finder.com/eos-airdrops-list

Muad'Dib01:19:01 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

this has more detail on the airdrops

Old Man01:19:16 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Wof310

Yeah but would you as a vc want to announce anything with the state of things ?

Absolutely. If I was taking airbnb, uber, twitter, facebook, spotify, tinder, netflix, pandora etc. to the blockchain I'd be screaming it from the roof right now. First mover on EOS is going to be a big competitive advantage

Muad'Dib01:19:58 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

remember, not all tokens are airdropped into your wallet, you have to claim some

Muad'Dib01:20:40 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

shitload of jumping hoops but if you want free tokens then JUMP!

Tac Robinson01:25:47 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

crylos_exquire

remember, not all tokens are airdropped into your wallet, you have to claim some

I just voted last night via scatter. Didn’t notice any airdrops. But also the balances seem to be the absolute LAST thing scatter cares about

Wojak Pikeno01:26:21 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

TacRobinson

I just voted last night via scatter. Didn’t notice any airdrops. But also the balances seem to be the absolute LAST thing scatter cares about

lol

Tequila01:26:33 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

TacRobinson

I just voted last night via scatter. Didn’t notice any airdrops. But also the balances seem to be the absolute LAST thing scatter cares about

look on eospark.com

sheep herder from albania01:27:17 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

any airdrops today?

sheep herder from albania01:27:32 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

hopefully i feed family with airdrop once a month

sheep herder from albania01:27:39 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

5 cents goes far here

Wojak Pikeno01:29:10 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

AnotherLonelyDay

I'm scared to move EOS from MEW . .

Don't be, cause you can't. lol

Tac Robinson01:31:00 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

look on eospark.com

It only shows my EOS tokens... should I have some airdrops by now?

Tequila01:31:17 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Check out the “token” drop down

Tac Robinson01:31:21 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I don’t see any other tokens. Not even my eosDAC

Tequila01:31:35 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Should be add and eosdac in that drop down

Chris Storvold01:32:31 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Can someone tell me all the BPs doing airdrops so I can vote for them?

Chris Storvold01:33:08 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

We got eosadd now

Tac Robinson01:33:26 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Should be add and eosdac in that drop down

Thanks

Chris Storvold01:33:38 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

And liberty is coming

Tac Robinson01:35:16 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I see it

Muad'Dib01:36:21 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i got meet.one over the weekend and transferred them out of MEW, the rest are here, looks more like spam

Tac Robinson01:37:23 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

crylos_exquire

Lol they gave u those shitty bobs repair tokens as well... lol

Tac Robinson01:38:11 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I only show ADD and eosDAC. Should I have more?

Tac Robinson01:38:30 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Meet.one is still in MEW

Gilgamesh01:38:40 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DiscipleOfKEK

Only reason ETH was declared not a security is because SEC said its not centralized

they said "probably" and "not currenly" a security, but still liable for security fraud in the past where it was a security

Austin G01:38:44 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

dear lord....scroll up before asking such silly questions

david steinberger01:42:10 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Question/situation: I had some EOS from before the snapshot and successfully registered them while they were on MEW with keys stored on ledger nano-s. Scraped up some more money to buy more EOS so total is now over 100 with the most recent bought just after the snapshot. How do I combine them so I will be eligible for airdsops (so all 100 in same location)?

Juan Williams01:42:16 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://cointelegraph.com/news/china-s-latest-government-backed-crypto-rankings-put-eos-1st-btc-17th China's Latest Government-Backed Crypto Rankings Put EOS 1st, BTC 17th

stev wayne01:42:19 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

eos

stev wayne01:42:22 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

20usd

stev wayne01:42:30 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

💹💹💹💹💹💹💹💹

stev wayne01:42:33 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

💹💹💹💹💹💹💹💹💹

Branch Ellison01:43:31 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

any wallets working. Any luck out there?

Branch Ellison01:43:47 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

cant get grassmass to work

stev wayne01:48:39 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

eos💹💹💹💹

Ash Vecchio - Coin Agnostic01:48:44 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Can admin clarify this? https://www.newsbtc.com/2018/06/25/eos-iota-stellar-lumens-litecoin-tron-technical-analysis/

Tac Robinson01:49:06 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Orgonix23

cant get grassmass to work

Scatter works

Ash Vecchio - Coin Agnostic01:49:18 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

BPs get 10k per day?

Ash Vecchio - Coin Agnostic01:50:40 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

3 mil a yr isn't a lot as exchanges pull in millions a week or day.

Daz W01:50:45 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

crylos_exquire

i got meet.one over the weekend and transferred them out of MEW, the rest are here, looks more like spam

How'd you transfer them?

panhui117 panpan01:52:01 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

/去

panhui117 panpan01:52:01 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

在

stev wayne02:01:03 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

yes

stev wayne02:01:07 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

在

Bill Wilkinson02:05:19 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

AshVecchio

Can admin clarify this? https://www.newsbtc.com/2018/06/25/eos-iota-stellar-lumens-litecoin-tron-technical-analysis/

Nothing to clarify. They earn money per day. The more value eos they more they make. And they stand to make a lot.

Tequila02:06:26 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It’s ok for BP’s to make money

Tequila02:06:42 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If they are not delivering value back to the community, get rid of them

Perry Shenas02:13:40 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

who is the creator of the ADD airdrop?

EOS EOS02:20:06 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

why dump!!

Sikecil Sikecil02:22:40 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://www.ccn.com/cryptocurrency-market-drops-to-241-billion-eos-takes-a-huge-beating/ Cryptocurrency Market Drops to $241 Billion, EOS Takes a Huge Beating

Wang jiaqi02:24:25 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

btm投资交流群，进群限时空投100个btm！加微信好友：m2niang

VadS02:25:03 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

@sandw1ch Could you please confirm that buying ram for mistyped account name can be reversed

Branch Ellison02:26:55 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

TacRobinson

Scatter works

Thanks

Aravind02:35:53 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

@admin.. stats from eospark.com and eosflare.io don't seem to match... Which one is official / updated ?

Ethan Na02:38:13 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

This eosdark website requires to enter private key. Please be careful and don’t enter. https://bit.ly/2tqFiiu

Jeff Hu02:38:57 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

HOW to read "producers" table in EOS? I am confused about $cleos get table #{field} #{contract} #{table}, I have tried $cleos get table eosio eosio.system producers, shows empty?

AnotherLonelyDay02:42:44 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Why is everyone fudding now?

AnotherLonelyDay02:42:49 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

What happened

Daz W02:43:15 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

grahappa

who is the creator of the ADD airdrop?

eosadd.com

Boyuan Zhu02:44:27 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Anyone has the airdrop account address of EOSADD?

Natoshi Sakamoto02:45:18 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DiscipleOfKEK

Only reason ETH was declared not a security is because SEC said its not centralized

Interesting question can governments hold arbitrators exam responsible for what happens on EOS network since they can control it? Seems like a risky job I won’t take it ever

Daz W02:46:26 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Boyuan82

Anyone has the airdrop account address of EOSADD?

eosawardsorg

Intheory02:50:42 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Question. I wasn't able to map my tokens before the snapshot. Though i Was able to generate Eos keys. I understand that my tokens are now frozen, since they're not on the Mainnet, still on metamask.What's the most recommendable plan of action if I want to acquire more eos? Get it from an exchange and then use the eos wallet creator, or wait till there's an automatic account creator when withdrawing from exchanges? Is there going to be another snapshot?

Daz W02:52:47 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Natoshi Sakamoto

Interesting question can governments hold arbitrators exam responsible for what happens on EOS network since they can control it? Seems like a risky job I won’t take it ever

No one is immune from a lawsuit.

t7802:54:00 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

InTheory

if you have your keys, you can use Greymass

t7802:54:44 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

InTheory

you Eos is on the mainnet now and accesible using greymass or simpleos

Natoshi Sakamoto02:56:50 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

No one is immune from a lawsuit.

They did catch silk road kingpin but not Nakamoto since Nakamoto can’t control the network. Now with talks of biometrics etc for account holders and arbitrators with control power it seems easy to hold them responsible if another Silk Road happens on EOS ..

Daniel Larimer02:58:06 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It wouldn’t

Aravind02:58:36 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hi Dan !

Daz W02:58:43 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

InTheory

Did you register your eth account with the keys you generated by june 1st?

Job02:58:48 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hi dan

Jesse02:59:06 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

pretty sure silk road would be against the constitution and BPs would take them down

Jesse02:59:29 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

at least parts of silk road are for sure

Aaron02:59:48 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hi dan, hope you are not too overwhelmed by the uniformed masses on twitter ;)

Intheory03:00:07 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Did you register your eth account with the keys you generated by june 1st?

No. I didn't register.

Daz W03:01:09 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

InTheory

No. I didn't register.

Then you'd probably have to do the fallback registration. I've never done it so you'll have to google it, unless someone here can help you.

Natoshi Sakamoto03:01:18 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I like the concept of keeping the money safe from hacks etc but it all needs to be done through code.. code needs to be law .. like BP selection via code ..freezing accounts via voting with code itself without a middleman .. seems complex but may be done..

Daz W03:03:31 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Natoshi Sakamoto

I prefer the human aspect of an arbitrator. I don't want to funtion like the matrix.

Intheory03:04:39 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Then you'd probably have to do the fallback registration. I've never done it so you'll have to google it, unless someone here can help you.

Thank you, I'll google it or probably repost the question.

⚡I

⚡lightning is striking⚡03:05:04 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

so technically, anyone'e account can be freezed by BPs if they reach agreement??

Syed Jafri | EOS Cafe / Calgary03:05:14 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

InTheory

Thank you, I'll google it or probably repost the question.

https://steemit.com/eos/@eoscafe/eos-fallback-registration-how-to-get-eos-keys-if-you-did-not-register

Natoshi Sakamoto03:05:30 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

lightninghouses

so technically, anyone'e account can be freezed by BPs if they reach agreement??

Yupes

Syed Jafri | EOS Cafe / Calgary03:05:37 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

lightninghouses

so technically, anyone'e account can be freezed by BPs if they reach agreement??

Yes,

⚡I

⚡lightning is striking⚡03:05:41 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sucks

Daz W03:05:58 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

lightninghouses

so technically, anyone'e account can be freezed by BPs if they reach agreement??

Anyone that violates the constitution.

Sevn03:06:00 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

hello there，it had 96 hours gone since i undo vote，but my eos is still unfunding。why？

Syed Jafri | EOS Cafe / Calgary03:06:18 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If they reach the wrong agreement, they get voted out 🙂

Intheory03:06:28 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

syed_jafri

https://steemit.com/eos/@eoscafe/eos-fallback-registration-how-to-get-eos-keys-if-you-did-not-register

👍

Syed Jafri | EOS Cafe / Calgary03:06:30 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

AshVecchio

BPs get 10k per day?

Only top BPs

Syed Jafri | EOS Cafe / Calgary03:06:40 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://eostracker.io/producers

⚡I

⚡lightning is striking⚡03:06:57 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

so they're more political than politicans

Syed Jafri | EOS Cafe / Calgary03:07:17 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

its liquid democracy

Syed Jafri | EOS Cafe / Calgary03:07:21 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

votes are changed every 2 minutes

Syed Jafri | EOS Cafe / Calgary03:07:33 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

you dont have to live with your BPs for 4 years

Natoshi Sakamoto03:07:49 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

I prefer the human aspect of an arbitrator. I don't want to funtion like the matrix.

That’s the fun part with cryptos..always think out of box.. I still believe all can be done what a human does with the code..

Daz W03:08:41 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Natoshi Sakamoto

That’s the fun part with cryptos..always think out of box.. I still believe all can be done what a human does with the code..

Possibly, but even so i wouldn't want that.

Aravind03:09:30 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If I have my public key, where can I get my account name ?

Roland03:09:46 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Natoshi Sakamoto

That’s the fun part with cryptos..always think out of box.. I still believe all can be done what a human does with the code..

Yah, humans are weak and can easily be compromised

Daz W03:10:31 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Aravind

If I have my public key, where can I get my account name ?

eosflare.io

Aravind03:11:10 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

eosflare.io

It says no associated accounts found

Aravind03:11:26 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Does that mean my wallet did not get registered on June 2 ?

Daz W03:11:34 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

does your key start with "EOS"?

Aravind03:11:39 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Yes...

Tequila03:11:54 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hey what’s the process of requesting a custom short eos account name?

Daz W03:11:59 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Then you must not have registered it.

Natoshi Sakamoto03:12:04 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

Yah, humans are weak and can easily be compromised

It is well known humans can break under pressure , fear or emotions.. the code cannt unless programmed that way

清赵

清赵03:12:06 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

中国的老哥们有微信群拉我一个

Aravind03:12:11 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

But the wallet had 0 eos on June 2... On may 30 I transferred all my tokens to bitfinex because I was unsure I registered successfully

Daz W03:12:38 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Aravind

But the wallet had 0 eos on June 2... On may 30 I transferred all my tokens to bitfinex because I was unsure I registered successfully

Then your account is at bitfinex

Aravind03:12:39 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I did register the wallet (that's how I got the public key right ?)

Aravind03:13:00 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Ohh... Because i had 0 eos on it, account did not get created ?

Roland03:13:18 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Natoshi Sakamoto

It is well known humans can break under pressure , fear or emotions.. the code cannt unless programmed that way

That's why we got into blockchain in the first place.

Tequila03:13:25 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Natoshi Sakamoto

It is well known humans can break under pressure , fear or emotions.. the code cannt unless programmed that way

It’s all managed by humans

Daz W03:13:25 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

if you transfered it to bitfinex, then they probably registered your account for you. you'll have to ask them.

Tequila03:13:42 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Ask the btc team how GitHub is managed. Who can update the code

Red giant03:13:57 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Only ram trading can give profit in this weak market

Tequila03:13:57 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Who decides what code gets applied

Aravind03:14:16 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

if you transfered it to bitfinex, then they probably registered your account for you. you'll have to ask them.

No they said they won't register accounts for all their users

Tequila03:14:22 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Is GitHub decentralized or centralized?

Daz W03:14:54 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

you can't register an account that had zero eos tokens in it.

Roland03:15:02 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Who decides what code gets applied

Only the code applied by majority of hashpower matters

Tequila03:15:14 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

And how many people control that?

Tequila03:15:18 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Tequila03:15:21 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Natoshi Sakamoto03:15:39 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Who decides what code gets applied

Community

Roland03:15:45 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

And how many people control that?

Definitely not 1 Sam

Tequila03:16:04 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

In eos it requires 17 minimum

Tequila03:16:12 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

In btc 3

Natoshi Sakamoto03:16:16 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Who decides what code gets applied

Else it gets forked to bcash 😂

Tequila03:16:24 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Soooo....decentralized is a bit of a joke

Tequila03:16:40 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

All these projects have dirty little secrets

Tequila03:17:05 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Eos is trying to be transparent and find a way to have the community manage everything. It’s going to take time to get it right

Daz W03:17:20 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

all these message boards have users that spread FUD

Roland03:17:55 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

The joke is now on us, EOS is controlled by a group of men deciding the governance in a locked room

Tequila03:17:58 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If people listed to the fud on ether, then missed out on a fortune

Tequila03:18:03 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It was the same crap back then

Natoshi Sakamoto03:18:08 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

True but never heard of frozen accounts by a person on btc network

Roland03:18:17 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

And a single unknown Arbitrator now has the power to freeze any account he so wishes

Daz W03:18:21 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

The joke is now on us, EOS is controlled by a group of men deciding the governance in a locked room

👆FUD

Tequila03:18:29 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Natoshi Sakamoto

True but never heard of frozen accounts by a person on btc network

Let me send you a link

Roland03:18:35 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Not FUD, serious concern

Daz W03:19:01 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

And a single unknown Arbitrator now has the power to freeze any account he so wishes

👆Complete FUD

Roland03:19:31 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Tell me why it's FUD then, calling it FUD without backing up your argument is not an argument

Daz W03:19:33 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

Not FUD, serious concern

No, it really is complete FUD

Daz W03:20:02 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

Tell me why it's FUD then, calling it FUD without backing up your argument is not an argument

Because your statement is patently false.

Roland03:20:12 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Weak

Roland03:20:18 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

That's all u got?

Roland03:20:35 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

We are talking about securing the INTEGRITY of the entire EOS blockchain

Daz W03:20:54 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

That's all u got?

Arbitrators are voted in.

Natoshi Sakamoto03:21:05 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Let me send you a link

Waiting?

Roland03:21:49 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

So no one voted in the current Arbitrator rite?

Roland03:22:00 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

but yet he now has the power to freeze account

Roland03:22:17 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Why not hold off having the arbitrator until one is actually voted in? Whats the rush?

Rob Finch - Cypherglass.com (Block Producer)03:22:29 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

There was a bug-fix in 1.0.6

It was already fixed by all BPs in an emergency patch, but has now been patched into the main EOSIO repo.

Daz W03:22:47 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

So no one voted in the current Arbitrator rite?

The BP's voted

Natoshi Sakamoto03:22:51 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Arbitrators are voted in.

What if arbitrator is kidnapped and ask to sign an order at gunpoint by CIA?

Roland03:22:57 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Btw, when it comes time to vote in the Arbitrator, MAKE SURE There is an option to NOT HAVE ANY ARBITRATOR

Chad Simpson03:23:09 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Can people create new EOS accounts yet, or are accounts still restricted to those in the ICO?

Daz W03:23:26 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Natoshi Sakamoto

What if arbitrator is kidnapped and ask to sign an order at gunpoint by CIA?

😂

Chad Simpson03:23:33 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

cleos can create new keypairs and account names correct?

Roland03:23:59 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Natoshi Sakamoto

What if arbitrator is kidnapped and ask to sign an order at gunpoint by CIA?

Yup, what if CIA had infiltrated the EOS governance inner circle and sneaked in this Article into the constitution while no one is looking?

Daz W03:24:27 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

Btw, when it comes time to vote in the Arbitrator, MAKE SURE There is an option to NOT HAVE ANY ARBITRATOR

The arbitrator was voted in. Again, your attempts at FUD are rather pathetic. You need more practice. Try again later.

Ashish Gupta03:25:37 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hello

Ashish Gupta03:25:40 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Guys

Roland03:25:55 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

The arbitrator was voted in. Again, your attempts at FUD are rather pathetic. You need more practice. Try again later.

By who? Your friends? I don't see any voting mechanisms for EOS holders other than the one for electing the BP? Maybe u guys have your own little secret ballot box?

Tequila03:26:11 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Natoshi Sakamoto

Waiting?

https://www.coindesk.com/9-biggest-screwups-bitcoin-history/

Daz W03:26:26 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

By who? Your friends? I don't see any voting mechanisms for EOS holders other than the one for electing the BP? Maybe u guys have your own little secret ballot box?

By the BP's, here: https://t.me/EOSArbNominations

Natoshi Sakamoto03:27:02 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

The point is nothing wrong with an arbitrator but it needs to be like a bot makes adjustments in the network based on votes and voting needs to be one biometric equals one vote taking whales manipulators out of picture

Daz W03:28:05 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Natoshi Sakamoto

It is

Roland03:29:32 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

By the BP's, here: https://t.me/EOSArbNominations

It's just a telegram group. And are those the ELECTED BPs or any one claiming to be BPs can vote?

Natoshi Sakamoto03:29:37 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

https://www.coindesk.com/9-biggest-screwups-bitcoin-history/

I know this majority are non code related but none of accounts frozen by single Dev

Tequila03:30:04 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

No single dev is freezing eos accounts

Natoshi Sakamoto03:30:19 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

It is

Not if done through code

Daz W03:30:45 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

It's just a telegram group. And are those the ELECTED BPs or any one claiming to be BPs can vote?

Yes, they nominate the candidates in a telegram group. congratulations for figuring that out :)

Tequila03:31:05 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Good god

Natoshi Sakamoto03:31:21 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

No single dev is freezing eos accounts

Dev= person

Daz W03:32:02 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Natoshi Sakamoto

Not if done through code

I get the impression you have a strong desire to be a robot.

Roland03:32:13 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Yes, they nominate the candidates in a telegram group. congratulations for figuring that out :)

Great. Anyone can just nominate any tom , dick or harry in a telegram group to be the Arbitrator with powers to freeze accounts. And u are so proud of that lol

Tequila03:32:42 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

This is FUD mania

Tequila03:33:05 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Is there anyone who has any idea what they are taking about left?

Tequila03:33:37 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Stop reading tweets from idiots traders on twitter

Daz W03:33:42 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

Great. Anyone can just nominate any tom , dick or harry in a telegram group to be the Arbitrator with powers to freeze accounts. And u are so proud of that lol

Chad Simpson03:34:15 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

To be fair, nobody is really doing a good job explaining things

Roland03:34:30 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

This is FUD mania

Great. Anyone who disagrees with you is a FUDster.

gaoyuan tan03:35:00 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

@daniellarimer Eos client development faces two major security issues: 1. Transaction security issues, that is, transaction verification issues. we need to be able to verify the transaction after the client has queried the transaction. 2. The eos contract status can't be verified, so it's not safe to directly query the eos contract status. The eos contract is complicated. So we can't query, verify the transaction and maintains the status locally like btc. Even if the transaction is verified locally and it's credible, but the status is still unknown. Btc and eth client solution: Btc is a utxo account and can directly maintain account status data locally after verifying transactions. The eth block itself supports account status verification. After the block is obtained, the account status can be verified directly. However, eos can only perform transaction verification. After the transaction is verified, the account status data in eht local is still unknown. Eos client solution: 1. The transaction verification problem can be solved by the current common merkle verification technology. The eos block also supports merkle verification, and it is easier to do transaction confirmation for eos because eos supports bft. 2. eos can use an eos local contract virtual machine to run contract transactions to maintain local contract status data. Account status can be maintained by running eosio.token contract transactions. These locally maintained contract status data are absolutely secure and trustworthy. Local eos contract virtual machine feasibility: The eos contract runs in the webassembly virtual machine. The virtual machine creates the context for the contract run, including the number of environment variables, the database, etc. There is also communication between the contracts. Then the local eos contract virtual machine is also a webassembly virtual machine, so that the contract on the eos chain can be directly compatible with running on the local virtual machine. Of course, creating the same context ensures the consistency of the local contract and the eos chain contract. In this way we can maintain the contract state locally based on the transaction sequence of a contract on the eos chain. As for the multi-contract communication problem, we can also maintain the status of the communication contract locally, so as to ensure the consistency of the local contract status and the contract status on the EOS chain. conclusion: The eos transaction can use merkle proof to ensure it's absolutely secure and trustworthy. The eos local contract virtual machine is used to run the contract transaction sequence to maintain the contract status and solve the security problems faced by eos client development.

Natoshi Sakamoto03:35:42 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

I get the impression you have a strong desire to be a robot.

I believe half of your jobs these days are done by robots .. don’t tell me you wash your clothes and wash your dishes by hand.. sooner or later it’s all going to be robots.. why not embrace it and try to make smart robots from now

gaoyuan tan03:35:45 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

@daniellarimer right?

Tequila03:35:52 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

Great. Anyone who disagrees with you is a FUDster.

Well nothing of what you said is even remotely true

Daz W03:35:52 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

Great. Anyone who disagrees with you is a FUDster.

No, you're pretty much the only one here right now.

Tequila03:35:59 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Where are you getting this information from

Chad Simpson03:36:06 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I don't fault anyone for wondering what the hell ECAF is, what an Arbiter does, how changes to the constitution will be made, etc. I realize some of this is being worked on, and some BPs are working hard to send a cohesive messge, but I worry that bureaucracy and bloat will result in the same inefficiencies that all governing bodies suffer

Daz W03:36:50 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Natoshi Sakamoto

Your assumption is incorrect.

Tequila03:36:54 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

metalbabble

I don't fault anyone for wondering what the hell ECAF is, what an Arbitrator does, how changes to the constitution will be made, etc. I realize some of this is being worked on, and some BPs are working hard to send a cohesive messge, but I worry that bureaucracy and bloat will result in the same inefficiencies that all governing bodies suffer

No, they won’t. All cryptos are governed

Tequila03:38:01 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Eos is developing a plan for disputes where as other crypto argue about issues for months or years because their governance is a complete mess

Natoshi Sakamoto03:38:15 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Your assumption is incorrect.

Embrace it ..it’s the future ..

Chad Simpson03:38:44 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

No, they won’t. All cryptos are governed

They are governed yes, but miners have to signal agreement in order to pass changes. The BP voting system is passive, and I have many questions I would like answered about the other governing layers.

Daz W03:39:14 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Where are you getting this information from

obviously he's making it up. it's probably an intellectual issue. when one lacks the intelligence to conduct basic research, some revert to creating their own conclusions, regardless of how unfactual they might be.

Tequila03:39:19 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

How do you think a block producer stops processing a given account?

Tequila03:39:30 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Do you think one guy can just make the whole system stop?

Chad Simpson03:39:42 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I'm not disagreeing with DPOS, and EOS is currently nascent, so I trust these will be answered.. but finding answers currently is confusing and frustrating

Daz W03:39:53 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Natoshi Sakamoto

Embrace it ..it’s the future ..

Robots don't build themselves, friend.

Roland03:40:22 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I have no beef with EOS DPOS governance. If the majority of 21 ELECTED BPs stood together and say, yes, they froze those accounts because they collectively investigated the issue and agreed that it has to be done, and put their names on the list. I am against them simply COMPLYing with an order from ECAF.

Chad Simpson03:40:37 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

All of my questions have to do with governance

Natoshi Sakamoto03:40:59 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Do you think one guy can just make the whole system stop?

So can BPs deny arbitrators order?

Daz W03:41:22 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

Then don't purchase eosio coins. simple.

Tequila03:41:59 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Natoshi Sakamoto

So can BPs deny arbitrators order?

Yes, theoretically

Daz W03:42:04 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Natoshi Sakamoto

So can BPs deny arbitrators order?

They have the option of not complying with the order.

Chad Simpson03:42:08 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Then don't purchase eosio coins. simple.

No, not simple. Folks want this to work and want governing issues addressed openly

Roland03:42:12 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Then don't purchase eosio coins. simple.

No, i am going to purchase more so i can vote this BS out

Natoshi Sakamoto03:42:26 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Robots don't build themselves, friend.

Exactly but they do what they are programmed for..consider code as a robot

Tequila03:42:27 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

17 of 21 will have to accept it. Or nothing changes

Chad Simpson03:42:29 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

No, i am going to purchase more so i can vote this BS out

Well stated

Daz W03:43:07 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

metalbabble

No, not simple. Folks want this to work and want governing issues addressed openly

Governing issues have been addressed. No one is forcing you to agree to it by purchasing eosio coins.

Tequila03:43:25 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It’s also important to note that all they did to comply was free

Chad Simpson03:43:31 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Here is the problem. ALL Googling leads to FUD articles. Fix this right the fuck now

Chad Simpson03:43:57 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

There shouldn't be more editorial information than factual

Daz W03:44:05 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

No, i am going to purchase more so i can vote this BS out

You'll have to wait six months. You must be upset that theft was diverted. Gee, i wonder why?

Roland03:44:40 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

It’s also important to note that all they did to comply was freeze

Freezing is not very far from confiscation.

Tequila03:44:41 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Yeah literally nobody with eos is upset about this

Chad Simpson03:45:07 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Yeah nobody is upset

Daz W03:45:13 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

Freezing is not very far from confiscation.

👆FUD

Tequila03:45:37 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If there is significant evidence that this was a huge scam and all users were able to prove it

Roland03:45:48 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

You'll have to wait six months. You must be upset that theft was diverted. Gee, i wonder why?

Cos while u diverted some theft, u also compromised the integrity of the entire blockchain.

Tequila03:45:54 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Why would anyone be against the action take to pause the accounts and investigate

Chad Simpson03:46:10 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

When I Google "How does ECAF in EOS work?" I shouldn't be met with 50 FUD articles and 0 factual articles.

Daz W03:46:13 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

Cos while u diverted some theft, u also compromised the integrity of the entire blockchain.

👆 FUD

CrownPrince03:46:17 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

👆FUD

Seriously, why is not the same?

Tequila03:46:29 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

Cos while u diverted some theft, u also compromised the integrity of the entire blockchain.

Nope, I’m no way did you do that

Daz W03:46:43 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

metalbabble

When I Google "How does ECAF in EOS work?" I shouldn't be met with 50 FUD articles and 0 factual articles.

Maybe you should use a better search term.

Roland03:46:51 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

metalbabble

When I Google "How does ECAF in EOS work?" I shouldn't be met with 50 FUD articles and 0 factual articles.

Cos its not FUD, its legitimate concern

Chad Simpson03:47:18 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Maybe you should use a better search term.

What's your problem man.. Picture the average EOS user doing research. This is exactly how they will phrase their questions

t7803:47:30 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Why would anyone be against the action taken to pause the accounts and investigate

because they can't even figure out what decentralized means

t7803:47:54 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

to much talk not enough education

Daz W03:47:56 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

WealthyGuardian

Seriously, why is not the same?

Because the arbitrator can be sued, and voted out. There's no incentive to conduct illegal activities as an arbitrator.

Chad Simpson03:48:00 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Forget decentralized. EOS is not immutable. This is what we signed up for. We have to accept some tradeoffs

Natoshi Sakamoto03:48:02 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

They have the option of not complying with the order.

Ok so voters can vote out BPS who follow arbitrator orders? This should be tried in future as biometric identity wallets evolve with one biometric equal to one vote voting let community decide if they like arbitrators

Tequila03:48:06 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

That’s true. Everyone just completely ignore that the btc codebase is managed by a handful of people on a completely centralized service

Daz W03:48:26 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

metalbabble

What's your problem man.. Picture the average EOS user doing research. This is exactly how they will phrase their questions

I must hang around a lot more intelligent people than you.

Roland03:48:37 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

twanster

because they can't even figure out what decentralized means

Yah, they don't even understand blockchain. If they wanted to outsource personal responsibilities, then they better go back to the Centralized systems that we already have. Why bother building a blockchain???

Lachlan McMurray03:48:56 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hey guys, just wondering why our tokens are still frozen?

Andrew M - EOS Atlanta03:49:20 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

Just because you disagree with the reasoning doesn't mean a project isn't worth the try.

Tequila03:49:23 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Lachlan McMurray

Hey guys, just wondering why our tokens are still frozen?

They are not

Chad Simpson03:49:29 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

I must hang around a lot more intelligent people than you.

Maybe you and your group of smart friends can be the only people using blockchain then. Have fun enjoying the revolution from your mother's basement

Lachlan McMurray03:49:42 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

They are not

t7803:49:47 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

so you wouldn't like to have your funds recovered ?

Tequila03:49:59 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Lachlan McMurray

Where are you seeing frozen?

Daz W03:50:08 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

metalbabble

Maybe you and your group of smart friends can be the only people using blockchain then. Have fun enjoying the revolution from your mother's basement

Great argument 😮

Andrew M - EOS Atlanta03:50:11 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

This is an experiment, how dare EOS try something different, bunch of dicks.

sei03:50:28 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hello, do any of you know when will the EOS on myetherwallet will be unfreezed?

Daz W03:50:34 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

akmoriarity

This is an experiment, how dare EOS try something different?

😂🤣😂

Daz W03:50:45 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

akmoriarity

This is an experiment, how dare EOS try something different?

Tequila03:50:50 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Zulfiazhar

Hello, do any of you know when will the EOS on myetherwallet will be unfreezed?

Never, eos has been transferred to mainnet

Lachlan McMurray03:51:06 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Where are you seeing frozen?

Coinspot hasn’t opened sending them yet I guess

Steven McCabe03:51:16 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Zulfiazhar

Hello, do any of you know when will the EOS on myetherwallet will be unfreezed?

EOS on MEW are Ethereum ERC20 tokens. Those were only used for the snapshot to verify how many EOS you had. Those tokens are now frozen indefinitely. You can now access your EOS from an EOS wallet using the EOS keys you got from registering. These are the wallets that have been recommended by BPs so far: EOS Voter by Greymass: https://github.com/greymass/eos-voter EOS Toolkit by GenerEOS: http://eostoolkit.io Scatter: http://scatter-eos.com SimplEOS: https://github.com/eosrio/simpleos - https://eosrio.io/simpleos

t7803:51:19 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Zulfiazhar

Hello, do any of you know when will the EOS on myetherwallet will be unfreezed?

if you have your keys you can access them using Greywallet

sei03:51:24 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

So we have to just wait the official wallet isn't it?

sei03:51:33 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Is greywallet safe?

Steven McCabe03:51:40 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hello you beautiful people.

Tequila03:51:49 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

I’d rather we all stand around and argue about issues, and then if Dan/vitalik says we should fork to fix an issue, we do it. That method is totally more decentralized guys

t7803:51:49 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Zulfiazhar

So we have to just wait the official wallet isn't it?

👆 see post above

Steven McCabe03:51:50 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Zulfiazhar

Is greywallet safe?

Yes

t7803:51:58 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

morning Steven

sei03:52:00 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Okay thanks

Roland03:52:02 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

twanster

so you wouldn't like to have your funds recovered ?

There are other ways to secure your accounts and protect users from fraud. Touching the immutability of the blockchain should only be reserved for the most dire of situations, such as a DAO hack scenario

Daz W03:52:23 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

I’d rather we all stand around and argue about issues, and then if Dan/vitalik says we should fork to fix an issue, we do it. That method is totally more decentralized guys

then go purchase those coins.

Andrew M - EOS Atlanta03:52:34 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

Was that a central or decentralized decision?

Steven McCabe03:52:35 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

twanster

morning Steven

Morning t78. I feel like I'm speaking to the terminator 😂

Tequila03:52:46 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Lachlan McMurray

Coinspot hasn’t opened sending them yet I guess

This is true. Only a couple exchanges have opened up withdrawals now

Tequila03:52:56 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

then go purchase those coins.

Sarcasm

t7803:53:14 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

yeah i resurrected a couple of times ;)

Daz W03:53:25 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Sarcasm

awe

Roland03:53:36 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

akmoriarity

Was that a central or decentralized decision?

As long as its a decision made by the 21 ELECTED BPs, then its fine. They were elected by the stakeholders. If they did something wrong, they get voted out

Steven McCabe03:53:39 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

twanster

yeah i resurrected a couple of times ;)

👌😁

t7803:54:25 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

so you dont like it to be mainstream and easy

Daz W03:54:43 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

As long as its a decision made by the 21 ELECTED BPs, then its fine. They were elected by the stakeholders. If they did something wrong, they get voted out

The arbitrator will be elected by the stakeholders in the near future, as well :)

Lachlan McMurray03:54:51 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

This is true. Only a couple exchanges have opened up withdrawals now

Ok because coinspot said they would support the swap. So if i guess I just need to wait a bit longer for them to be unlocked

Andrew M - EOS Atlanta03:55:09 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

As long as its a decision made by the 21 ELECTED BPs, then its fine. They were elected by the stakeholders. If they did something wrong, they get voted out

It's a decision made by arbitrators though. BPs are tech monkeys and nothing more in this system.

Roland03:55:20 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

twanster

so you dont like it to be mainstream and easy

When did I say that?

Andrew M - EOS Atlanta03:55:30 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

We do not want BPs making decisions.

Daz W03:55:49 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

akmoriarity

We do not want BPs making decisions.

Roland03:56:05 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

The arbitrator will be elected by the stakeholders in the near future, as well :)

The arbitrator has no skin in the game. They have nothing to lose if they do a bad job. Voting for them is pointless.

Daz W03:56:34 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

The arbitrator has no skin in the game. They have nothing to lose if they do a bad job. Voting for them is pointless.

They have nothing to gain by doing a bad job.

t7803:57:04 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

When did I say that?

you didn't, all im trying to say , if i would wake up in the morning , see my Hypothetically 1200 Eos disappeared somehow. What can i do? for me this a great way , simple

Tequila03:57:23 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Why don’t the BP’s choose arbitrators and pay them

Jim03:57:38 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

In regards to the BPs, obviously they are primarily techheads so may not be as specialized in an arbitration mindset, but doesn't the fact that we vote for them qualify them as some sort of representitive akin to a senator?

Tequila03:57:39 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Then they have something to lose by doing a bad job

Jim03:57:48 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

as opposed to an appointed arbiter

Andrew M - EOS Atlanta03:57:55 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

The arbitrator has no skin in the game. They have nothing to lose if they do a bad job. Voting for them is pointless.

They get paid by the parties in arbitration. That's pretty good. I like money, and if I do my job well I get more money, if I fuck up my job I get zero money.

Daz W03:57:57 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Why don’t the BP’s choose arbitrators and pay them

There is a compensation plan created for arbitrators.

Tequila03:58:19 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

But the BPs should still select the arbitrator

Chad Simpson03:58:20 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I think everyone who is invested in this has accepted certain tradeoffs for the added security of being able to pause the chain and reverse transactions. Claims that this isn't decentralized enough is fud because this is working as intended.

Jim03:58:23 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

not as a front door anyway, but bribery could certainly be a form of payment

Tequila03:58:38 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

But the BPs should still select the arbitrator

Or rather several of them

Jim03:58:56 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I'm not argueing against anything, I think the tradeoff is super necessary for adoption. but getting it done with the least amount of tradeoffs is important too

Chad Simpson03:58:56 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Also the performance enhancements of high tps and no fees for users..

Andrew M - EOS Atlanta03:58:56 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

not as a front door anyway, but bribery could certainly be a form of payment

And is one bribe worth ruining your entire reputation and ability to earn money in the future?

Jim03:59:05 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ask any polititian

Jim03:59:06 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

lol

Andrew M - EOS Atlanta03:59:34 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Or rather several of them

BPs have nothing to do with arbiters.

Daz W03:59:35 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

not as a front door anyway, but bribery could certainly be a form of payment

If an order is given by an arbitrator that is against the constitution, he can be immediately removed AND sued in a court of kaw. there's no incentive for bribery.

Jim03:59:54 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

is an arbiter like a judge in the us legal system?

Jim03:59:58 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

how transparent are the cases?

Tequila04:00:03 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Why do people prefer a system when your funds can be stolen permanently with no course of action to recover

Andrew M - EOS Atlanta04:00:17 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Or rather several of them

The parties interacting with a smart/ricardian contract determine that agreement way in advance.

Daz W04:00:24 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

is an arbiter like a judge in the us legal system?

That's what arbitration means.

Jim04:00:24 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

do we the people know the details of a specific case enough to know if an abiter is making a sound judgement?

Chad Simpson04:00:32 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

I'm not argueing against anything, I think the tradeoff is super necessary for adoption. but getting it done with the least amount of tradeoffs is important too

Ways to keep BP decision-making on chain is really how to minimize the tradeoffs, and making that on-chain info accessble to anyone in an easy to digest format

Jim04:00:32 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I understand the meaning of the word

Tequila04:00:42 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

And the arbitrators assigned to a given case chosen at random?

Daz W04:00:52 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

do we the people know the details of a specific case enough to know if an abiter is making a sound judgement?

Yes.

Roland04:00:58 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

twanster

you didn't, all im trying to say , if i would wake up in the morning , see my Hypothetically 1200 Eos disappeared somehow. What can i do? for me this a great way , simple

if its a system wide bug, then the elected BPs can do a rollback. If u were careless and got hacked, then its really your own fault. More secure wallets are coming soon to make this easier but at the end of the day, everyone needs to take personal responsibility if we want a truly decentralized system.

Jim04:01:01 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ok, that's good.

VadS04:01:05 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Guys, it looks like to start using cleos I have to build eosio on my pc first... Does anyone know where do I start? I am reading github.com /eosio but the explanation there is a bit difficult to me. They say :"to download all of the code, clone eos repository..." but how?

Jim04:01:36 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Knowing and being involved are two different things though

Andrew M - EOS Atlanta04:01:37 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

do we the people know the details of a specific case enough to know if an abiter is making a sound judgement?

The parties involved agree on an arbiter. The rest of the network doesn't need to know the details of each decision, just that each party agreed to that decision making source.

Jim04:01:42 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I'm not arguing against any of this, I'm just asking questions

Jim04:02:11 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

omg telegram keeps deleting what I type while I type it. super frustrating

Chad Simpson04:02:16 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

akmoriarity

The parties involved agree on an arbiter. The rest of the network doesn't need to know the details of each decision, just that each party agreed to that decision making source.

I disagree, we all do need to know the exact details of each decision. The only thing kept private should be the identities of those disputing

Daz W04:02:37 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

Let me know if you feel it's your fault if you ever get phished.

Tequila04:03:05 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Let me know if you feel it's your fault if you ever get phished.

I generally do feel it is yes

Daz W04:03:09 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

akmoriarity

The parties involved agree on an arbiter. The rest of the network doesn't need to know the details of each decision, just that each party agreed to that decision making source.

t7804:03:15 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Let me know if you feel it's your fault if you ever get phished.

👆 this

Andrew M - EOS Atlanta04:03:18 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

metalbabble

I disagree, we all do need to know the exact details of each decision. The only thing kept private should be the identities of those disputing

Reasoning and logic in a decision is absolutely transparent, stated and recorded. Perhaps I didn't make my point well.

Daz W04:04:00 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

I generally do feel it is yes

You generally do feel what is yes?

Chad Simpson04:04:16 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

akmoriarity

Reasoning and logic in a decision is absolutely transparent, stated and recorded. Perhaps I didn't make my point well.

I think I see what you mean

Andrew M - EOS Atlanta04:04:35 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

metalbabble

I disagree, we all do need to know the exact details of each decision. The only thing kept private should be the identities of those disputing

Just saying, if some Chinese user and Chinese smart contract creator have a dispute, I'm pretty sure I'd have no damn idea what the dispute was about, but you don't enter the smart contract action without understanding who the arbitration board named in the ricardian contract is.

Andrew M - EOS Atlanta04:05:07 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

metalbabble

I think I see what you mean

Yeah, I think I just stated it poorly in that comment you highlighted.

Roland04:05:29 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Let me know if you feel it's your fault if you ever get phished.

It's because people like u who don't want to take personal responsiblity that we are now enslaved under central control. The blockchain tech is strong, but weak humans refuse to safeguard their private keys....

Chad Simpson04:05:34 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

akmoriarity

For posterity, we should be able to independently audit each arbitrator's decision

Andrew M - EOS Atlanta04:06:01 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

metalbabble

For posterity, we should be able to independently audit each arbitrator's decision

Agreed. All reasoning in the decision should and likely will be public.

Daz W04:06:02 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

metalbabble

I disagree, we all do need to know the exact details of each decision. The only thing kept private should be the identities of those disputing

That's not your decision. You'll get what is given or not given. If you can't deal with that, you have the option of not owning the product that YOU DIDN'T create.

Chad Simpson04:06:27 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Daz is trolling and getting muted

Roland04:06:55 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

That's not your decision. You'll get what is given or not given. If you can't deal with that, you have the option of not owning the product that YOU DIDN'T create.

Now you sound like a dictator

t7804:06:59 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

Im free as a bird, if you feel enslaved you certainly did something wrong

Andrew M - EOS Atlanta04:07:27 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

Yes, and those who don't carry guns to prevent getting robbed, raped and murdered deserve their fate.

Daz W04:07:35 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

It's never the fault of the victim in a crime. You're at a mental disadvantage if you think otherwise.

Andrew M - EOS Atlanta04:08:10 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Bunch of dummies getting criminalized

Chad Simpson04:08:18 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

That's not your decision. You'll get what is given or not given. If you can't deal with that, you have the option of not owning the product that YOU DIDN'T create.

The product was created to be a democratic tool for each token holder to have a hand in deciding these things. I will leave it at that, becuse I'm convinced you're just trolling now.

Daz W04:08:21 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

metalbabble

For posterity, we should be able to independently audit each arbitrator's decision

LMAO

Andrew M - EOS Atlanta04:08:22 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Blame the victim not the aggressor.

Daz W04:09:15 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

Now you sound like a dictator

You don't understand what a dictator is.

Chad Simpson04:09:33 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Yeah, the tator is unnecessary

Daz W04:10:48 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

metalbabble

The product was created to be a democratic platform for each token holder to have a hand in deciding these things. I will leave it at that, becuse I'm convinced you're just trolling now.

And that's exactly what it is. I'm on this board every night helping people with their questions. If you think i'm a troll, you're a moron.

Roland04:11:07 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

akmoriarity

Yes, and those who don't carry guns to prevent getting robbed, raped and murdered deserve their fate.

Why do u allow anyone to carry a gun in the first place?

Chad Simpson04:11:36 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

And that's exactly what it is. I'm on this board every night helping people with their questions. If you think i'm a troll, you're a moron.

If you're helping people, then you are doing more harm than good. You are a terrible ambassador and your diplomacy skills are dog shit.

Daz W04:11:40 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

akmoriarity

Blame the victim not the aggressor.

The mentality of today's generation.

t7804:11:53 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

Why do u allow anyone to carry a gun in the first place?

guess thats another discussion😂

Daz W04:12:10 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

metalbabble

If you're helping people, then you are doing more harm than good. You are a terrible ambassador and your diplomacy skills are dog shit.

Every asshole has an opinion.

Andrew M - EOS Atlanta04:12:19 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

Why do u allow anyone to carry a gun in the first place?

I'm not.going to get into a gun argument. I'm making a point that people can get robbed even if they do their best to protect themselves.

弃爷

弃爷04:12:28 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

有哪位仁兄知道USDT完全完成了转帐，一共要经历多少个确认吗？非常感谢。

Chad Simpson04:12:28 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

And that's exactly what it is. I'm on this board every night helping people with their questions. If you think i'm a troll, you're a moron.

Telling all critics to go elsewhere is not helpful. If I wanted that type of help I'd head to the Vechain discussion board.

Daz W04:13:27 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

metalbabble

Telling all critics to go elsewhere is not helpful. If I wanted that type of help I'd head to the Vechain discussion board.

That's not what i said. A presumptuous mind is the least on the intelligence chain.

Chad Simpson04:13:59 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I've seen you discourage people from using EOS multiple times as a response to criticism bud

Daz W04:14:14 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

metalbabble

I've seen you discourage people from using EOS multiple times as a response to criticism bud

You've seen no such thing.

Daz W04:14:28 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

metalbabble

I've seen you discourage people from using EOS multiple times as a response to criticism bud

👆 FUD

Roland04:14:36 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

akmoriarity

I'm not.going to get into a gun argument. I'm making a point that people can get robbed even if they do their best to protect themselves.

If u do get robbed at gunpoint, then its an offchain scenario. Call the cops already! Perhaps a future smartphone wallet can have a voice activated dead mans switch to trigger that the account has been compromised... but that freeze action has to be activated by the account holder himself.

Andrew M - EOS Atlanta04:15:25 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

The artbitation is the cops in this scenario.

Daz W04:16:32 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

metalbabble

I've seen you discourage people from using EOS multiple times as a response to criticism bud

Informing people they have the option of not participating is not synonomous with discouraging people from participating. You'd make a terrible attorney.

Chad Simpson04:16:41 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Here you go

Daz W04:17:20 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

metalbabble

Here you go

That has nothing to do with your argument.

Chad Simpson04:17:28 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

No, it has to do with your shitty attitude

Daz W04:18:52 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

That, you may be right about. Your attitude is shitty. I feel like i'm at an ebt card convention when arguing with you.

Chad Simpson04:20:16 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

There's too much fud right now. The image we need to project has to be tolerant and positive. A lot of people will come here after reading fud articles, while the BP community is insulated and technical. The only line of defense we have is Telegram

Andrew M - EOS Atlanta04:21:06 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

metalbabble

It will all work out, hold strong, friend.

Daz W04:21:21 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS has created a product just like any other company has (toothpaste, toilet paper, pencils). If you don't like tge product being sold, you're under no obligation to purchase it. You have an option. Capitalism 101.

Andrew M - EOS Atlanta04:21:31 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Everyone be active and voice your opinions. We'll figure itnoutm

Jim04:21:48 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS hasn't greated any product Daz, eos is the product

Jim04:21:53 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

and it is owned by a collective

Jim04:21:59 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

your stake represents your voice

Chad Simpson04:21:59 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Took the words right out from me Jim

老

老莫爱吐槽04:22:21 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

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Daz W04:22:22 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

EOS hasn't greated any product Daz, eos is the product

If you want to be that technical....lol. Block.one

Jim04:22:41 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

yes, but they are still beholden to us

Roland04:22:50 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

EOS has created a product just like any other company has (toothpaste, toilet paper, pencils). If you don't like the product being sold, you're under no obligation to purchase it. You have an option. Capitalism 101.

So what product exactly in your opinion has EOS sold?

Jim04:22:58 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

they are simply the developers, they don't have ownership. They aren't even "running" the system

Jim04:23:28 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

it is our job as token holders to vote and to express our concerns to those people who represent us

Daz W04:23:40 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

and it is owned by a collective

In order to own it, you had to have purchased it. it's a product.

Jim04:24:08 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I really wouldn't consider eos a product

Daz W04:24:10 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

So what product exactly in your opinion has EOS sold?

Real-Estate rights to a web 3.0

Jim04:24:20 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

it's a company, or real estate,

Jim04:24:22 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

it's a platform

Daz W04:24:52 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

I really wouldn't consider eos a product

Look up the definition of product and get back to me.

Jim04:25:04 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

not everything that you buy is a product

Jim04:25:22 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

at least in some senses of the word

Leono04:25:34 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Are EOS tokens (not the ERC20) compatible with the nano ledger?

Roland04:25:50 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Real-Estate rights to a web 3.0

Ok. And who enforces those rights?

VadS04:25:51 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Guys, could anyone suggest what I have to start with in order to manage my account with cleos. On github /eosio they say " clone eos repository" but how?

Jim04:25:52 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I'm really not sure what you're getting at at this point though daz

Leono04:26:22 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

or do we need to store our EOS in the greymass?

Daz W04:26:24 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

not everything that you buy is a product

And that's exactly why you lack the intelligence to have a serious conversation with.

Chad Simpson04:26:27 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

The only reason the token (the closest thing to a 'product') has any value at all, is because we're all agreeing that it has some value. Tomorrow, someone could pick the network up, and use it without a token at all

Jim04:27:19 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS is a hybrid, it's not really like anything the world has seen before. It is real estate, it contains a system of government, it is owned by it's residents (the people who which to utilize the tokens for their own products) and investors who wish to own property to rent to those residents or sell at a later date

Daz W04:27:19 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

Ok. And who enforces those rights?

The constitution that accompanies the product.

Roland04:27:49 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

metalbabble

Yes, a token only has value when the community decides it has value. With EOS, we go one step further by building usable dapps on top of it to give it even more value.

Daz W04:28:07 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

metalbabble

That's how all products derive value :)

Roland04:28:30 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

The constitution that accompanies the product.

But the constitution is just a bunch of words written by dunno who. Who enforces the constitution? Block.one?

Daz W04:28:54 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

But the constitution is just a bunch of words written by dunno who. Who enforces the constitution? Block.one?

The arbitrator does.

Jim04:29:37 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Does the arbiter have any teeth? isn't it the block producers who have to do the actual work of making a decision into reality? in the form of returning funds, locking accounts, etc?

Chad Simpson04:29:57 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

The US elects a government that has a ratified constitution and refuses to amend it. We should have safeguards in place that encourage continuous amendment

Daz W04:30:05 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

Does the arbiter have any teeth? isn't it the block producers who have to do the actual work of making a decision into reality? in the form of returning funds, locking accounts, etc?

It's a collective effort.

Christian Schramm04:30:27 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Why not just copy BitShares’ worker proposals ?

Jim04:30:34 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

What I'm asking though, is if the arbiter makes a decision, it still has to be done by the block producers, correct?

Christian Schramm04:30:42 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

BitShares’ governance model was perfect

Daz W04:30:44 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

metalbabble

The US elects a government that has a ratified constitution and refuses to amend it. We should have safeguards in place that encourage continuous amendment

Amendments have been changed.

Jim04:30:46 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

he has no buttons he can press to make things happen on the network

Roland04:30:50 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If the collective does not want an Arbiter, can we remove him?

Christian Schramm04:31:07 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

We want BitShares’ governance model ... referendum-like

Christian Schramm04:31:18 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Referendummmmm

Chad Simpson04:31:31 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Amendments have been changed.

Early in US history, amendments were common. Eventually they stopped being done and became like scripture, regardless of who was elected. This is damaging

Jim04:31:40 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ultimately the block producers have the power, and we have the power to elect them. Isn't that the system of checks and balances?

Daz W04:31:49 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

What I'm asking though, is if the arbiter makes a decision, it still has to be done by the block producers, correct?

The BP's have the option of complying with an order or not complying.

Jim04:31:54 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

yes

Jim04:32:03 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

at their own peril

Jim04:32:07 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

of reelection

Jim04:32:20 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

so ultimately, everything comes down to the collective voter

Roland04:32:30 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Yes, I always the genius behind the existing EOS DPOS system is that it is better than having a consititution that noone reads anyways.

Daz W04:32:32 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

metalbabble

Early in US history, amendments were common. Eventually they stopped being done and became like scripture, regardless of who was elected. This is damaging

I'm not going to argue everything under the sun with you; just eos.

Christian Schramm04:32:44 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Why not just copy BitShares’ worker proposals as EOS Governance mode

Christian Schramm04:33:03 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Make people vote on EACH proposal like Bitshares

Christian Schramm04:33:31 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Instead of having a guy ( Saint Thomas ) write a constitution no one voted for

Christian Schramm04:33:33 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Come on

Daz W04:33:44 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

TheSchrammHIT

Why not just copy BitShares’ worker proposals as EOS Governance mode

Why not just accept the product as it was written or don't accept it?

Jim04:34:02 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

issues don't exist in a vacuum though. I thin ka constitution needs to have an overal picture before individual aspects are determined and voted on

Christian Schramm04:34:06 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Because I don’t believe in God, Neither in Saint Thomas

Jim04:34:12 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

it comes down to economics and how everything interplays together

Roland04:34:23 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Why not just accept the product as it was written or don't accept it?

Cos the product supposedly comes with a feature to change the product?

Christian Schramm04:34:36 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Article XV

Christian Schramm04:34:43 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Who can agree with that ?

Daz W04:34:57 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

TheSchrammHIT

Instead of having a guy ( Saint Thomas ) write a constitution no one voted for

In order to have accepted the EOS coin, you had to agree to their constitution. If you failed to read it, the burden is on you.

Roland04:35:04 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

TheSchrammHIT

Article XV

Yah, this Article is Inane

Chad Simpson04:35:10 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

High TPS, inflation to cost for user fees, the ability to actively govern against corruption.. For these things we have traded some decentralization and immutability. For this tradeoff we are presented with some of the same messy problems that afflicts any centralized body. We have to sell the decentralized aspects, while convincing our colleagues that it's decentralized enough. We are walking a fine line.

Christian Schramm04:35:11 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I bought it from an exchange

Daz W04:35:17 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

Cos the product supposedly comes with a feature to change the product?

👆 FUD

Christian Schramm04:35:19 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Never read the constitution before

Jim04:35:33 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Honestly I don't understand the whole "take your coins back after 3 years" thing. There has to be more to it than that, to just take it to that level when there should be plenty of less aggressive alternatives in place

Daz W04:35:37 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

TheSchrammHIT

Who can agree with that ?

Everyone who owns EOSIO did.

Christian Schramm04:35:43 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Precisely, I bought it from Open-Ledger/BitShares exchange

Roland04:35:53 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

👆 FUD

Is this your only respond when you have no good answer?

Jim04:35:55 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

if I own 100 tokens and I don't do anything with them after three years, why not put them in a collective pot where they can be used, but I can still make claim to them after i wake up from my coma?

Jim04:36:05 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

or my next of kin can

Daz W04:36:17 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

TheSchrammHIT

Never read the constitution before

Doesn't matter if you read it or not. You're legally bound to it by owning the coin.

Chad Simpson04:36:35 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

if I own 100 tokens and I don't do anything with them after three years, why not put them in a collective pot where they can be used, but I can still make claim to them after i wake up from my coma?

I think maybe moving this rule to 10 years would be better

Jim04:36:43 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

why was the nuclear option of "taking everything back" used after 3 years. honestly I haven't looked into the issue enough to have a real strong opinion one way or another

Roland04:36:53 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Doesn't matter if you read it or not. You're legally bound to it by owning the coin.

By which authority are we legally bound? Block.one? Dan? Daz?

Jim04:36:54 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

3 years or 10 is irrelevant really

Daz W04:36:59 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

Is this your only respond when you have no good answer?

I'm not going to argue every piece of dissinformation you spew. Waste of my time.

Jim04:37:07 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

whats your is yours

Jim04:37:21 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

but rather than take it and redistribute it, why not just take it and hold it for you, where it can still be utilized?

Daz W04:37:24 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

By which authority are we legally bound? Block.one? Dan? Daz?

Maybe you should research that and find out.

Jim04:37:39 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

my understanding is that the reason to confiscate it is so that the network resources don't get wasted?

Jim04:37:55 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

if they're being used, why can't dead me still own them? what is being hurt?

Roland04:37:57 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

metalbabble

I think maybe moving this rule to 10 years would be better

Forever will be better. This Article adds no value to EOS at all. The technical and economic burden of abandoned accounts is miniscule

Jim04:38:10 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

or put them into a pot after 3 years where they're still being used, then after 10 completely take them back

Tequila04:38:12 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Crypto is such a rage fest right now lol

Christian Schramm04:38:14 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

Forever will be better. This Article adds no value to EOS at all. The technical and economic burden of abandoned accounts is miniscule

Agree

Daz W04:38:28 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

if they're being used, why can't dead me still own them? what is being hurt?

If you use the coin, that article wouldn't be applicable to you.

Jim04:38:43 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

that's what I'm saying though, after the 3 year period

Jim04:39:08 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

if after 3 years, they are put into a pot, where my ownership remains, but I am not "controlling" them

Chad Simpson04:39:10 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

Forever will be better. This Article adds no value to EOS at all. The technical and economic burden of abandoned accounts is miniscule

At least the tokens need to be unstaked after a long period of inactivity

Daz W04:39:23 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

that's what I'm saying though, after the 3 year period

You have to engage a transaction at least once every three years.

Jim04:39:25 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

then either myself or my next of kin can reclaim them at some point

Jim04:39:29 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

yes, i understand daz

Jim04:39:31 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

but if I don't

Jim04:39:37 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

why do they need to be taken?

Roland04:39:42 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Maybe you should research that and find out.

Yet another condescending response lol...

Jim04:39:46 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

and why do they need to be taken AWAY from me?

Jim04:40:13 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

why can't the owner still retain ownership, regardless of how the tokens are utilized in his absense?

Christian Schramm04:40:14 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

and why do they need to be taken AWAY from me?

For the common good

Jim04:40:21 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

but why?

Roland04:40:28 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

and why do they need to be taken AWAY from me?

They shouldn't. Stop the madness and vote that BS out asap! Or vote out BPs who wants to push in the codes to do that.

Christian Schramm04:40:36 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Just kidding. I agree with you

Christian Schramm04:40:51 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

but why?

Just kidding. I agree with you

Daz W04:41:03 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

why do they need to be taken?

It is my understanding that you are compensated if they take them. They are taken because you're not using them and each coin represents real-estae that is needes for developers, which is the entire reason for the coin. liquidity.

Jim04:41:07 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

honestly it sounds absurd to me. so absurd that I think I must be missing something

Chad Simpson04:41:14 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I definitely don't think that exchange wallets should be able to stake votes. They should be blacklisted

Christian Schramm04:41:22 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Come on

Christian Schramm04:41:29 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Inflation is already extremely high

Tequila04:41:36 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

and why do they need to be taken AWAY from me?

https://medium.com/@bytemaster/thoughts-on-perpetual-property-rights-b8c7f5bf4221

Jim04:41:37 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If you're compensated then that helps obviously, but how does the compensation occur?

Jim04:42:03 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

why can't the governance of EOS act as a steward for my ownership in my absense?

Tequila04:42:04 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Basically they are only taking about if you are dead and nobody has claimed them for a long time

Christian Schramm04:42:17 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

If you're compensated then that helps obviously, but how does the compensation occur?

Your assets will be liquidated to the highest bidder... and from that, you get a compensation

Jim04:42:24 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

it would be nice to be able to get them back if I ever come back from the dead

Tequila04:42:27 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

All it takes to keep your tokens live is vote every 3 years. Or literally any other account activity

Jim04:42:33 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

if I'm dead I don't need compensation

Christian Schramm04:42:35 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Crazy Idea

Jim04:42:37 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

unless i come back

Tequila04:42:53 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I kinda agree, I think it should be more like 5 - 10 years

Christian Schramm04:42:54 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Not sure who is crazier... Karl Marx or the guy who wrote Article XV

Christian Schramm04:43:04 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Probably the guy behind article XV

Jim04:43:10 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

why doesn't the stewardship solve both problems? The tokens are getting used, which is the goal. And if Im dead, why "pay" me and detract from the value of EOS overall?

Roland04:43:12 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Lol

Christian Schramm04:44:02 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

why doesn't the stewardship solve both problems? The tokens are getting used, which is the goal. And if Im dead, why "pay" me and detract from the value of EOS overall?

They won’t even know (or care) if you are dead or not... after 3 years of inactivity, the coins are gone

Roland04:44:10 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I can imagine the guy who wrote Article XV shouts GOTCHA! every time someones logs in after 3 years and found his tokens gone.

Jim04:44:12 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

seems super silly

Jim04:44:23 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

just uncessary

Daz W04:44:23 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

TheSchrammHIT

Probably the guy behind article XV

If you're looking for a trading coin, eos isn't it. it's real-estate and that real-estate must be liquid in order for the system to work.

t7804:44:24 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

like if you not gonna use your account for 3 years, and if yes this number will be marginal

Jim04:44:51 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

the system can retain liquidity without dissolving ownership

Slava04:44:55 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ге

Roland04:45:08 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

If you're looking for a trading coin, eos isn't it. it's real-estate and that real-estate must be liquid in order for the system to work.

If the platform is good and lots of dapps running on it, its gonna be liquid. u don't have to force everyone to go click a button every 3 years to make it active.

Tequila04:45:26 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

the system can retain liquidity without dissolving ownership

It’s actually a great idea to reclaim the unused tokens

Jim04:45:59 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I'm ok with the system reclaiming tokens

Jim04:46:05 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

but i want to retain ownership!

Jim04:46:15 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

and when I say me, I mean anyone who happens to be the owner of said tokens

Jim04:46:26 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I'm ok with the system "using" my tokens

Jim04:46:32 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

in my absense

Avins04:46:33 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://www.karmaapp.io/

Tequila04:46:37 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

So that’s kinda like saying “I own my house” - and let’s assume we don’t have taxes

Tequila04:46:50 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If I die, that house should stay there unused forever

Tequila04:46:53 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

This is dumb

Daz W04:46:58 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

If the platform is good and lots of dapps running on it, its gonna be liquid. u don't have to force everyone to go click a button every 3 years to make it active.

And you don't have to purchase eosio if you don't agree with its constitution.

Jim04:46:58 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i'm not saying unused

Jim04:47:01 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

use my fucking tokens

Jim04:47:04 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

but let me retain ownership

Jim04:47:19 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

it's software, surely it can keep track of what account owns the tokens

Daz W04:47:25 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

TheSchrammHIT

You can't.

Jim04:47:32 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

and if I log back in after returning from mars, I want them back

Avins04:47:39 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://www.karmaapp.io/ take note of this airdrop, a very viable social platform base on EOSio

Tequila04:47:39 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

but let me retain ownership

Why though? For what purpose?

Jim04:47:44 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

because they're mine

Tequila04:47:54 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

So your ghost can make a dapp?

Jim04:47:57 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

look, I don't really see this applying to me

Tequila04:48:03 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

So is your house

Jim04:48:12 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

but as a matter of principle, i think it's important

Jim04:48:22 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

if I abandon my house, sure, let someone squat in it

Jim04:48:25 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

but I want it back when I come back

Tequila04:48:28 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

There’s a lot of places where you can’t actually buy property permanently

Roland04:48:28 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

And you don't have to purchase eosio if you don't agree with its constitution.

No, i am going to purchase even more tokens so i can vote to abolish the entire constitution. The existing system is awesome already!

Jim04:48:32 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I don't see why that isn't the obvious solution

Tequila04:48:37 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

You get a 100 year lease essentially

Jim04:49:08 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

it doesn't matter tequila. the point is, there is no reason a token should need to be taken back as far as I can see

Daz W04:49:12 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

No, i am going to purchase even more tokens so i can vote to abolish the entire constitution. The existing system is awesome already!

You don't have the ability to vote to ammend the constitution, but good luck.

Jim04:49:20 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

take the unused tokens, put them in a giant pot

Tequila04:49:22 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Did you read that article Dan wrote

Jim04:49:26 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

use them for system maintanance, externalities, etc

Tequila04:49:28 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I felt the same way as you

Tequila04:49:34 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

But I think he has a point

Tequila04:49:43 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

What is all this shit?

Jim04:49:44 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

if people come back from the dead or wake up from their comas, let them claim their tokens back

Jim04:49:59 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

because 99% of the time there will be noone to claim them

Tequila04:50:06 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

if people come back from the dead or wake up from their comas, let them claim their tokens back

That’s why I think the one period should be longer

Jay Bea04:50:08 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Long before the 3 years...many solutions will be in place...like an auto transaction timer

Jim04:50:08 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

but the times that there are, it's important to let them

Christian Schramm04:50:23 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Just joking around

Daz W04:50:27 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

There’s a lot of places where you can’t actually buy property permanently

Imminent Domain

Christian Schramm04:50:35 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I am not as serious as I try to make myself appear

Jim04:50:39 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

that's probably true jay, but also uncessary

Christian Schramm04:50:46 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

But I do believe article XV had to be amended

Jim04:50:54 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

the point i'm trying to differentiate here is ownership

Jim04:50:57 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

not utilization

Tequila04:51:16 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I think saying that if your account goes unused for 20 years

Jay Bea04:51:24 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Put your private keys in your will...if you die your kids can tx

Daz W04:51:26 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

TheSchrammHIT

😂🤣😂

Jim04:51:27 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

omg how do i keep telegram from deleting what I'm typing while Im typing it????

Tequila04:51:30 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

You can take it. Cause guess what, I’m dead and not using it

Roland04:52:03 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

To be honest, following a Constitution is such a pre-crypto 1800s notion. Just govern the system via the DPOS consensus mechanism will be sufficient.

Jim04:52:06 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

yea, I get that tequila. EOS is going to be around for a long time and many holders will die. There defintely needs to be something to account for this

Tequila04:52:23 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I have created an elaborate puzzle for my family in the event of death

Jim04:52:23 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

it doesn't need to be all or nothing

Jim04:52:28 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

we don't need to retake them after 3 year

Jim04:52:31 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

or 10

Tequila04:52:34 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

To uncover the keys

Jim04:52:35 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

we can have intermeidate steps

Tequila04:52:52 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If they are too dumb, they don’t get them lol

Jim04:52:56 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

they are "borrowed" by the the community to fund server maintanance, externalities, etc

Jim04:53:10 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

after a period of time, sure, reclaim ownership. if it ever needs to get to that point

终K

终止 killer04:53:27 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

http://www.9d7v.cn/index/base/regcode.html?reid=3634

终K

终止 killer04:53:34 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

http://www.9d7v.cn/index/base/regcode.html?reid=3634

Jim04:53:36 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

with inflation occuring, it's all a balancing game anyway. Unused tokens aren't going to represent any real difference in the near future I don't think

Jim04:54:24 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

the puzzle thing, honestly I plan to do that at my death. hopefully not for a while though

Tequila04:54:30 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I don’t even see why this is a debate

Jim04:54:33 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

make everyone fight for it

Daz W04:54:34 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

with inflation occuring, it's all a balancing game anyway. Unused tokens aren't going to represent any real difference in the near future I don't think

And you know that based on...?

Tequila04:54:45 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I’m going to make an app that auto votes every month

Roland04:54:49 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

TheSchrammHIT

Yup totally agree. If we cannot vote that BS Article out, then EOS consensus will have already failed and it will be time to move on.

Tequila04:54:50 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Dan will hate it

Tequila04:54:54 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

;)

Jim04:55:22 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

having an app utilizes resources to do that, completely defeating the entire point of preserving resources by reclaiming tokens. Pretty funny

Jim04:55:43 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

because inflation is not set daz. it's going to be a balancing game on how it is used

Jim04:56:03 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

we know we need inflation to fund things. but too much and we depreciate the value uncessarily

Daz W04:56:15 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

I don’t even see why this is a debate

It shouldn't be. I wonder how many people argue with the baker that there's not enough sprinkles on his donut, then buy the donut, eat it, and continue to conplain? What a generation this is.

Jim04:56:47 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

we NEED debate for eos to function properly

Zachary Williams04:56:52 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

its like everybody in this chat is shining like illuminati

Tequila04:56:54 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

The inactivity clause will affect so few people and enrage so many people

Tequila04:57:01 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

That’s the main reason why I don’t like it

Jim04:57:06 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

exactly tequila

Jim04:57:16 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

it is entirely uncessary

Jim04:57:19 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

at least in it's current form

Daz W04:57:34 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

we NEED debate for eos to function properly

Rational debate is good. FUD isn't.

Jim04:57:35 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

and in the grand scheme of thigns it won't matter much long term

Jim04:57:39 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

who is fudding?

Tequila04:57:55 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Not Jim

kirk cobain04:57:59 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

why is eos price droping

Tequila04:58:01 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Just having a debate

kirk cobain04:58:04 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

it was at like 20 a coin

Tequila04:58:09 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Same one I had with Dan 2 days ago

Jim04:58:10 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

that's one of the things that piss me off most about cryptos. it's either fud or it's shilling. Noone can look at an arguement someone is making and determine whether or not it's valid

Jim04:58:29 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

anything you disagree with is automatically fud

Chad Simpson04:58:29 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

The inactivity clause will affect so few people and enrage so many people

I'm glad BPs and devs don't spend time agonizing over details that affect almost no one. The community at large absorbs all this angst

Crypto Snowbe Wan Konbe04:58:40 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

China's Latest Government-Backed Crypto Rankings Put EOS 1st, BTC 17th https://cointelegraph.com/news/china-s-latest-government-backed-crypto-rankings-put-eos-1st-btc-17th via Blockfolio: http://goo.gl/Lqzhjr

Daz W04:58:48 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

who is fudding?

Wasn't accusing you, just making a generalized statement.

Crypto Snowbe Wan Konbe04:58:55 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Jim04:59:02 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

anything that shuts down discussion is evil

kirk cobain04:59:07 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i fud'ed in my pants

kirk cobain04:59:10 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

lol

kirk cobain04:59:14 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Jim04:59:19 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

same thing as resorting to calling someone a racist just to shut him down

Tequila04:59:31 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

The thing is, eos can continue to be shaped over time

Tequila04:59:48 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I don’t worry about this 3 year clause. If enough people hate it, this will be removed

Jim05:00:01 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

it can. And it's up to us to help sculpt it. That's the beauty of it

Roland05:00:04 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

it is entirely uncessary

The whole constitution is unnecessary. It's kinda there to just piss people off lol

kirk cobain05:00:05 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

same thing as resorting to calling someone a racist just to shut him down

now hold we are all a little closit racest sometimes

Jim05:00:32 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

we all have our prejuduces to certani extents

Tequila05:00:48 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

The whole constitution is unnecessary. It's kinda there to just piss people off lol

I disagree. Ether and bitcoin decision making is a joke

Jim05:00:49 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

but it's up to us to know ourselves well enough to overlook them

kirk cobain05:00:52 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i think eos will go to like .05 a coin

Tequila05:01:03 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

People pretend like it’s perfect because they are heavily invested

Daz W05:01:10 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

I don’t worry about this 3 year clause. If enough people hate it, this will be removed

Ask Dan about it when he's here. If you didn't like my response, you'll hate his. lol

Chad Simpson05:01:22 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rolandlim

The whole constitution is unnecessary. It's kinda there to just piss people off lol

Governance is centralized enough that a constitution is needed IMO

Tequila05:01:30 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Ask Dan about it when he's here. If you didn't like my response, you'll hate his. lol

I did haha

Jim05:01:31 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I agree with tequila, a constitution is important. And abiding by it is just as important

Daz W05:01:47 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

I did haha

So have i.

Victor Hamue05:02:01 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I agree w/ b.wine

wilson smith05:02:04 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

So how stable is the network, when was the last hiccup?

kirk cobain05:02:19 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

is the wallet out yet

kirk cobain05:02:21 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

for eos

Roland05:02:26 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

I disagree. Ether and bitcoin decision making is a joke

We already have the 21 Elected BPs. Any decision to be made can be voted in via a referendum. No hard forks needed. Just make sure the community has enough time to digest the info and make informed decision.

Steven McCabe05:02:28 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

wilson smith

So how stable is the network, when was the last hiccup?

https://eosuptime.com

Steven McCabe05:02:41 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

kirk cobain

is the wallet out yet

These are the wallets that have been recommended by BPs so far: EOS Voter by Greymass: https://github.com/greymass/eos-voter EOS Toolkit by GenerEOS: http://eostoolkit.io Scatter: http://scatter-eos.com SimplEOS: https://github.com/eosrio/simpleos - https://eosrio.io/simpleos

wilson smith05:03:07 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

stevenmccabe

https://eosuptime.com

Thank you

Steven McCabe05:03:15 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

wilson smith

Thank you

👍

Daz W05:03:19 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

wilson smith

So how stable is the network, when was the last hiccup?

https://eosuptime.com/

kirk cobain05:03:23 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

were are there so many

Roland05:03:30 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

I disagree. Ether and bitcoin decision making is a joke

And in case of emergencies, the 21 BPs can go in and fix things without a referendum, which they did fantastically last time the mainnet stalled

Tequila05:03:38 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Maybe eos evolution will save us

Tequila05:03:54 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

One day....when they finish their airdrop in 2019

Jim05:03:56 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

but even if the bps do get together and do something, they still answer to the voter

Daz W05:03:58 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

kirk cobain

is the wallet out yet

There's several.

James Z05:04:00 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Evolution is balled up

Jim05:04:02 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

which is good

kirk cobain05:04:12 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

are the wallets safe

James Z05:04:25 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

there airdrop killed there value thats why it wont hit any exchange

Steven McCabe05:04:38 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

kirk cobain

are the wallets safe

Yes

Tequila05:04:40 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

They missed accounts

kirk cobain05:05:16 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

hmm

Jim05:05:17 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

So I have a question, why are the exchanges allowed to vote?

kirk cobain05:05:22 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

can i put my private keys into them

Daz W05:05:25 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

kirk cobain

are the wallets safe

BP's are recommending them.

kirk cobain05:05:33 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

why so

kirk cobain05:05:41 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

thats great and all but i need a safe wallet

Jim05:05:43 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I understand that they ahve possetion of the tokens, but should it be allowed?

Roland05:05:48 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

No constitution needed. We simply trust in the BPs we elect. Even if there is to be a constitution, let the elected BPs write them in consultation with the community and we vote the articles in one by one.

kirk cobain05:06:16 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

is it ok just to hold private keys and never put into wallet

Jim05:06:18 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

a constitution gives guidance and ensure that everyone knows what the rules are

Jim05:06:20 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

that's important

Daz W05:06:22 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

So I have a question, why are the exchanges allowed to vote?

Proxy votes using customer accounts. Customers allowed them to by storing their crypto on their exchange.

Christian Schramm05:06:23 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

BitShares worker proposals

Falling Water05:06:25 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

>_<

Christian Schramm05:06:31 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Do it for the constitution

Daz W05:06:38 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

kirk cobain

can i put my private keys into them

Yes

Jim05:06:46 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I get that daz. but is that really something we want to allow?

kirk cobain05:06:46 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

hmm

Jim05:06:51 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

we the community?

Tequila05:07:00 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

So I have a question, why are the exchanges allowed to vote?

They are putting a system in place to allow users who hold eos on exchange to indicate who they should vote for

Marius Vaisnora05:07:02 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Are EOS tokens usable now or they frozen?

Daz W05:07:16 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

I get that daz. but is that really something we want to allow?

we have the option of voting them out.

Tequila05:07:18 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

That’s a lot of eos on exchange, we want that vote

kirk cobain05:07:20 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

good question

kirk cobain05:07:22 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i wonder

Jim05:07:30 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

not if the exchanges are giant enough whales

Steven McCabe05:07:56 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

esmariusv

Are EOS tokens usable now or they frozen?

Useable

Jim05:07:57 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

seems to me like an amendment to the constitution to not allow exchanges to vote could be a good move

Daz W05:07:58 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

esmariusv

Are EOS tokens usable now or they frozen?

The tokens will never be usable. The coin is usable.

Jim05:08:04 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

certainly it would be easy enough to identify them

Tequila05:08:21 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If they are voting as their users ask them to, it’s fine

Jim05:08:31 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

but is that currently happening?

Jim05:08:38 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

and how do we ensure accountabilyt? onchain?

Tequila05:08:42 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

On bitfinex you can vote within their interface yeah

Jim05:08:54 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

that's cool

Tequila05:08:54 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

and how do we ensure accountabilyt? onchain?

That I don’t know

AllEyezOnMeAA05:08:56 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

The tokens will never be usable. The coin is usable.

you can unstake using greymass and transfer to kranken or bitfinex to sell

Jim05:09:03 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

but is bitfinex itself voting?

Daz W05:09:04 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaklias

seems to me like an amendment to the constitution to not allow exchanges to vote could be a good move

That's not very democratic.

Jim05:09:10 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sure it is

M Mimm@05:09:18 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hello. Binance activated deposit and withdraws Eos , guys?

AllEyezOnMeAA05:09:34 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Christian Schramm05:09:42 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

What would Ron Paul say of all of this ?

AllEyezOnMeAA05:09:46 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

mimdev

Hello. Binance activated deposit and withdraws Eos , guys?

only Kraken and Bitfinex

Marius Vaisnora05:09:47 - 25 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

The tokens will never be usable. The coin is usable.

So i had them on my ledger nano s they are registered, i have my keys etc but were the hell are they now?

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