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Broke AsFeck00:29:04 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

if Eos becomes a giant, what's to stop people taking cash for votes or the 21 from talking behind the system?

Gilgamesh00:29:11 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Having worked on technology quantum computer would use, we're not even close despite what anyone says. And there's no upper limit to difficulty we can make hash's to break and no strength limit to computation, you''ll never be perfectly resistant to anything

Gilgamesh00:30:02 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

if Eos becomes a giant, what's to stop people taking cash for votes or the 21 from talking behind the system?

voting requires time locked stake. if you're voting in malicious block producers who bribe, you're riskign your stake. if they have enough to compensate you for your entire stake, they might as well vote for themselves

Songminer00:30:34 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

true.

No. Bitmain owns 42% of the hashing power right now. Bitmain will follow with their own 7nm miner and GMO will never catch them. Bitcoin is NOT decentralized.. it is very vulnerable. When Bitmain started issuing empty blocks, transaction fees went through the roof.

Broke AsFeck00:31:21 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

bitmain were using samsung for 7nm but samsung have delays

Gilgamesh00:31:27 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

it's decentralized too. everyone can mine and high costs of electricity put limits on how much of it you can capture

Syed Jafri | EOS Cafe / Calgary00:31:49 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

@syed_jafri I still cannot replicate from Canadian region.

Replicated from Vancouver and Calgary

Syed Jafri | EOS Cafe / Calgary00:31:57 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Probably western edge node

Sandwich00:31:57 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

syed_jafri

Replicated from Vancouver and Calgary

Songminer00:32:00 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

voting requires time locked stake. if you're voting in malicious block producers who bribe, you're risking your stake you can't sell immediately from losing tons of value. if they have enough to compensate you for your entire stake, they might as well vote for themselves

you need to do some reading on game theory and consensus. DPOS is different, but it is more decentralized and for a fraction of the resources.

Sandwich00:32:31 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

syed_jafri

Probably western edge node

Yeah, I’m trying to replicate with VPN but this may bypass CDN issues.

Sandwich00:32:38 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I’m going to go another route.

Songminer00:32:38 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

and it is 100+X as fast as Bitcoin

Songminer00:33:09 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Not you Gilgamesh.. haha.. sorry.

Gilgamesh00:33:29 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

dpos has tradeoffs in liveness, more people might have voting control, but shutting down wise it is relatively easier, pow has insane liveness properties where a single miner technically can keep it going even if 99% are shut down but then you have that single miner deciding consensus for a while as it has correctness issues while dpos is based around finality

Broke AsFeck00:33:40 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Songminer

you need to do some reading on game theory and consensus. DPOS is different, but it is more decentralized and for a fraction of the resources.

the 21 can be overruled by the ECAF - how is that decetralized?

Gilgamesh00:33:51 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

they are not, the memo was just nonsense phrasing

Gilgamesh00:34:05 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

21 can choose to do whatever they want, ideally to keep the job they have

Songminer00:34:22 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

bitmain were using samsung for 7nm but samsung have delays

doesn't matter. They can't catch up. you need to do some reading on game theory and consensus. DPOS is different, but it is more decentralized and for a fraction of the resources.

Broke AsFeck00:34:30 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

they are not, the memo was just nonsense phrasing

if they don't comply they can be removed

Gilgamesh00:34:46 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

if they don't comply they can be removed

by voters, voters don't have to remove them.

Gilgamesh00:35:00 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

voters can in fact remove any block producer following suggestion of malicious arbiter

Songminer00:35:41 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

the 21 can be overruled by the ECAF - how is that decetralized?

There is a constitution that prevents bad actors.. so you have decentralization and rule of law. Arbitrators must abide by the constitution, and if they don't their decisions are overuled and they can be removed from arbitration.

master trading00:35:50 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

when gonna unfreeze the tokens

Sandwich00:35:55 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

if they don't comply they can be removed

ECAF has no power.

Gilgamesh00:36:17 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

(personally I don't think constitution has any power, just maybe a guide of what consensus wants, but consensus has full power to change it)

Broke AsFeck00:36:27 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

ECAF has no power, at all.

They do - They have the power to not tell anyone what's happening and showed that

Sandwich00:36:29 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It’s an advisory role.

Songminer00:36:40 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

You're spouting a lot of hypotheticals without much thought as to their origin nor their outcome. It seems to me you've already made your mind up.. so why are you interested in EOS?

Gilgamesh00:36:52 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

They do - They have the power to not tell anyone what's happening and showed that

of course they have power to say something, and now voters are PISSED that anyone followed that suggestion

Broke AsFeck00:37:05 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Songminer

You're spouting a lot of hypotheticals without much thought as to their origin nor their outcome. It seems to me you've already made your mind up.. so why are you interested in EOS?

the devil is always in the detail

master trading00:37:05 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

when gonna unfreeze the tokens

Sandwich00:37:15 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Master_Trading

when gonna unfreeze the tokens

EOSIO tokens are liquid.

Songminer00:37:24 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

The devil is NOT in the hypotheticals.

Matthew00:37:30 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

My point - eos is not decentralized

Compared to what?

Songminer00:37:43 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

You've yet to give an example of details.

Sandwich00:37:47 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Matthew

Compared to what?

He’s a bitcoin maximalist

master trading00:37:54 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

when gonna unfreeze the tokens

Broke AsFeck00:37:55 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Songminer

The devil is NOT in the hypotheticals.

yes it is - you just assume things can't happen because specualtion

Sandwich00:38:17 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

yes it is - you just assume things can't happen because specualtion

The same hypotheticals exist in every crypto in existence.

Broke AsFeck00:38:45 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

The same hypotheticals exist in every crypto in existence.

My point stands - they have power, and have show it

Gilgamesh00:38:45 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Master_Trading

when gonna unfreeze the tokens

I voted for producers against this act already, as people vote they might get unfrozen earlier than expected

master trading00:39:01 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

when gonna unfreeze the tokens?

Sandwich00:39:04 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

My point stands - they have power, and have show it

ECAF has no power.

Sandwich00:39:07 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Only the voters have power.

Gilgamesh00:39:07 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

My point stands - they have power, and have show it

them saying they have the power doesn't mean they have the power

Gilgamesh00:39:29 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I have the power. everyone stop sending all eos now. hereby order you to stop sending eos. indefinitely.

Sandwich00:39:37 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

I have the power. everyone stop sending all eos now. hereby order you to stop sending eos. indefinitely.

Yes master.

Broke AsFeck00:39:39 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

them saying they have the power doesn't mean they have the power

They showed that they can force through changes and keep everyone in the dark - that's huge

Gilgamesh00:39:39 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

😂

Sandwich00:39:52 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

They showed that they can force through changes and keep everyone in the dark - that's huge

ECAF didn’t force anything through.

Gilgamesh00:39:58 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

They showed that they can force through changes and keep everyone in the dark - that's huge

that was block producers and they are being yelled at from all sides now for it

Sandwich00:40:05 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ECAF gave a suggeston and apparently BPs agreed.

Songminer00:40:15 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

There were a few misteps in the transparency of these first two rulings. All of which are being pounced upon in the first three weeks of the chain. No permanent actions were taken by arbitration. No funds confiscated or transferred, YET. Most important, not injustice has occurred by the arbitrators.. So the OUTRAGE seems hyperbolic at least, and at worst suspicious.

Gilgamesh00:40:16 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

a lot are switching stances and forcing reveal of all details they saw

Broke AsFeck00:40:26 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

what if they cleaned your accounts out and you didn't find out for a whole day?

Keyser Söze00:40:40 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

anytime line on an official wallet by a BP?

Gilgamesh00:41:00 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

what if they cleaned your accounts out and you didn't find out for a whole day?

that requires 30 days

Keyser Söze00:41:06 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I've been away for awhile and havent kept up with eos since a day before the launch

Sandwich00:41:19 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

what if they cleaned your accounts out and you didn't find out for a whole day?

what if there’s a 51% attack and all your funds disappeared with 0 recourse?

Songminer00:41:23 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

They can't clean out my account. My tokens are staked.. I would be notified of their destaking and I'd have 3 days to request action.

Marc-André Gray00:41:34 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

UsualxSuspect

anytime line on an official wallet by a BP?

Look up grey mass voter.

Sandwich00:41:50 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Because last I checked, that was a more likely scenario, re: facts https://blockchain.info/pools

Keyser Söze00:42:08 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Marc-André Gray

Look up grey mass voter.

thanks

Daz W00:42:38 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

what if there’s a 51% attack and all your bitcoin disappeared with 0 recourse?

What if the sky falls tomorrow?

Songminer00:42:52 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If I hadn't staked them, arbitration would see no legal claim to my tokens. On the other hand, if someone cleans out my bitcoin account, I'm out the coins.. I prefer a chain that is ruled by law and property rights.

Sandwich00:42:57 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

What if the sky falls tomorrow?

What if we’re actually a science experiment?

Marc-André Gray00:43:05 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

UsualxSuspect

thanks

Allows voting and wallet functions.

Daz W00:43:38 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

What if we’re actually a science experiment?

what if...what if...what if. lol. the young man is exhausting. i'm out. good luck.

Broke AsFeck00:43:58 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

what if...what if...what if. lol. the young man is exhausting. i'm out. good luck.

what if you had a decent argument

Koborieiei .00:44:27 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Is EOS centralized ?

Broke AsFeck00:44:39 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Koborieiei

Is EOS centralized ?

yes

Sandwich00:44:52 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

what if you had a decent argument

You’re on to talk, your arguments are circular and utilize selective reasoning

Sandwich00:44:59 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Koborieiei

Is EOS centralized ?

Daz W00:45:04 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

what if you had a decent argument

i haven't heard you state a fact yet. you're still stuck at the beginning of "what is the definition of decentralization".

Augustine00:45:19 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

yes

explain

Koborieiei .00:45:21 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

But it claim decentralize everything ?

Sandwich00:45:22 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

yes

Stop trolling please

Sandwich00:45:44 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Decentralization is the process by which the activities of an organization, particularly those regarding planning and decision-making, are distributed or delegated away from a central, authoritative location or group.

Broke AsFeck00:45:44 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

it has points of failure which it recently demonstrated when it forced through a change that the 21 had no idea of and allowed anyway

Sandwich00:45:49 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

it has points of failure which it recently demonstrated when it forced through a change that the 21 had no idea of and allowed anyway

Sandwich00:46:03 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If you continue to spread blatantly false statements, you will indeed be banned.

Sandwich00:46:08 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Get a dictionary please.

Broke AsFeck00:46:09 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

blind trust is a massive point of failure

Sandwich00:46:12 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

And stop spreading lies.

Sandwich00:46:42 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

blind trust is a massive point of failure

Agreed.

Songminer00:47:34 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

FUD - fear, uncertainty and doubt, usually evoked intentionally in order to put a competitor at a disadvantage. So who are you working for, @silkyskills?

🦉

🦉00:47:43 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

it has points of failure which it recently demonstrated when it forced through a change that the 21 had no idea of and allowed anyway

It’s hard to understand but it was clear in the white paper.

Sandwich00:48:02 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

🦉

It’s hard to understand but it was clear in the white paper.

He’s referring to recent controversy

Broke AsFeck00:48:09 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Songminer

FUD - fear, uncertainty and doubt, usually evoked intentionally in order to put a competitor at a disadvantage. So who are you working for, @silkyskills?

My spelling skills show that I'm a high oprative in ethereum circles

Sandwich00:48:16 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

The controversy is valid, but he’s exploiting it to spread lies.

Broke AsFeck00:49:15 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

The controversy is valid, but he’s exploiting it to spread lies.

No way - I'm just countering the assumptions and mistruths some of you are spreading

Broke AsFeck00:49:26 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I hold eos

Broke AsFeck00:50:25 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I see real holes in the sytem that need fixing

🦉

🦉00:50:41 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I refer to the form in wish decision was to be made. The architecture of EOS make the system flow to virtudes eliminating bad actors.

Broke AsFeck00:51:00 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I even gave my opinion on how to educate people through video's on the voting system

Ezeth00:51:06 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I fail to see how a system where BP know each other can improve over traditional centralized governance systems

Broke AsFeck00:51:12 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

hardly trying to fud

Sandwich00:51:14 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

No way - I'm just countering the assumptions and mistruths some of you are spreading

What mistruths?

Broke AsFeck00:51:37 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

What mistruths?

decentralization, no points of failure or weaknesses

🦉

🦉00:51:40 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

The final decisions lay on the token holders

Sandwich00:51:45 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

You’re the one saying a decentralized system no individual controls is centralized. You’re saying a single individual has power that they objectively do not.

Ezeth00:51:54 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I have the feeling that dpos is an interesting system but BP should be chosen randomly

Sandwich00:52:05 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

You fail to recognize the workings of the system at play, that indeed place all the powr into the hands of the token holders.

Ezeth00:52:35 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Token holders also vote in a system where BP are chosen randomly

Sandwich00:52:40 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I don’t think really anyone is happy with how the ECAF situation was handled, but what you’re describing is a bug, and yeah, your discontent is heard.

Broke AsFeck00:52:43 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

You’re the one saying a decentralized system no individual controls is centralized. You’re saying a single individual has power that they objectively do not.

it was proved when 21 agreed to blindly allow 1 person control

Ezeth00:52:52 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Having random BP does not remove the power of the token holders

Sandwich00:52:57 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

but there is definitely a line between discontent, and objectively false information.

Broke AsFeck00:53:06 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

I don’t think really anyone is happy with how the ECAF situation was handled, but what you’re describing is a bug, and yeah, your discontent is heard.

it needs to never happen again - although it could

Sandwich00:53:08 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

it was proved when 21 agreed to blindly allow 1 person control

They did not, this is where you are objectively incvorrect

Ezeth00:53:26 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Randomly chosen BP would prevent the PR fiasco which happened

Sandwich00:53:29 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

1 body gave an opinion, block producers agreed

Sandwich00:53:36 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

if voters disagree, voters should adjust votes accordingly.

Broke AsFeck00:53:46 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

1 body gave an opinion, block producers agreed

centralized

Sandwich00:53:48 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

mantiss3

Randomly chosen BP would prevent the PR fiasco which happened

but would severly cripple network performance.

Sandwich00:53:55 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

centralized

Again, objectively false.

Sandwich00:54:00 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

They can disagree.

Ezeth00:54:05 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

but would severly cripple network performance.

Why ?

Sandwich00:54:21 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If token holders disagree with BPs decision, they vote them out.

Broke AsFeck00:54:37 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

they should all be voted out already

Sandwich00:54:39 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

mantiss3

Why ?

Because there would be no incentive to run fast hardware.

Ezeth00:55:02 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Because there would be no incentive to run fast hardware.

Why ?

Sandwich00:55:02 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Network scalability and incentive to provide grade A infrastructure would be non-existent.

Broke AsFeck00:55:10 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

This is peoples money we are talking about here

Brian00:55:16 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Danny Patience

It would be a good job for wallet providers to implement some kind of info on BPs. Like know your BP. BPs would gladly take part in something like that. If we take parallel to political campaigns, that's the part that is missing from this governance structure we have.

Simpleos already has this implemented

Broke AsFeck00:55:23 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

millions/billions

Ezeth00:55:34 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

So are you saying that only entities who can afford millions of $$ to invest in hardware can be BP ?

Sandwich00:55:46 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

This is peoples money we are talking about here

Lobby for it, but don’t lie and troll an entire commuinity in the process.

Broke AsFeck00:55:57 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Lobby for it, but don’t lie and troll an entire commuinity in the process.

I'm not trolling

Broke AsFeck00:56:10 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I care about my investment

Broke AsFeck00:56:16 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

and other peoples

Sandwich00:56:22 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

You are dominating a chat with negative sentiment and failing to provide any valuable solutions while also stating objectively false statements

Sandwich00:56:26 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

if that’s not trolling, what is?

Sandwich00:56:46 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

IF you truly want to contribute to the solution, then BE the solution.

Broke AsFeck00:56:49 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sometimes you have to force a point through a brickwall for people to hear it

Ezeth00:56:50 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If BP have to be whales then the population of eligible BP is highly centralized

Ezeth00:56:55 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Then voting one out to replace by another is no true guarantee of diversity of opinion

Sandwich00:56:55 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

You’re not contributing to any kind of solution at the moment.

Sandwich00:57:28 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

sometimes you have to force a point through a brickwall for people to hear it

Then you havne’t been here the last 3 days

Broke AsFeck00:57:28 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

IF you truly want to contribute to the solution, then BE the solution.

I will vote

Sandwich00:57:34 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

I will vote

Good.

Broke AsFeck00:57:48 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Then you havne’t been here the last 3 days

I've been reading up

Sandwich00:57:52 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I’m extrremely happy that you will vote based on your passionate beliefs regarding this situation.

jmw41100:57:53 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Because Dan Larimer gave the EOS code to the community, and is not participating in the launch or the operation of this chain, does not automatically mean that it is not centralized. Decentralized means that there is no Central Authority over the operation of the blockchain. Obviously, because Dan thought it was a good idea for the community to create a government, complete with a constitution, a designated list of arbitrators, and block producers with vast amount of authority over the governance of the chains, this is and no way decentralized. It's like pretending that the United States as decentralized with its Constitution and Democratic voting system. I am in no way trying to shitt on EOS. I'm all in and if it goes down, then I go down with it.

Sandwich00:58:00 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

I've been reading up

Good.

🦉

🦉00:58:06 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

and other peoples

You don’t represent anybodie

Broke AsFeck00:58:25 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Good.

I'm still not educated enough on the topic

Broke AsFeck00:58:32 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i'll admit that

Sandwich00:58:53 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jmw411

Because Dan Larimer gave the EOS code to the community, and is not participating in the launch or the operation of this chain, does not automatically mean that it is not centralized. Decentralized means that there is no Central Authority over the operation of the blockchain. Obviously, because Dan thought it was a good idea for the community to create a government, complete with a constitution, a designated list of arbitrators, and block producers with vast amount of authority over the governance of the chains, this is in no way decentralized. It's like pretending that the United States is decentralized with its Constitution and Democratic voting system. I am in no way trying to shitt on EOS. I'm all in and if it goes down, then I go down with it.

I see your point but you’re failing to acknowledge various dynamics that make this comparison a false analogy.

Ezeth00:59:04 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If @sandw1ch says that to guarantee scalability you accept to abandon decentralization and accept a semi-cartel where a limited number of entities can be part of the governing council (BP), then fine. But one should be transparent abt it

Brian00:59:05 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

There's no real video on the voting process - the only stuff I have found is people talking about parts of the process

I'm sure if you look up how to vote using simpleos the age some videos. I'm not sure how much easier they can make it. All you have to do is login to your wallet and check which bps you want to vote for and click vote

jmw41100:59:32 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

I see your point but you’re failing to acknowledge various dynamics that make this comparison a false analogy.

That's just a vague response. Can you be more specific please?

Ezeth00:59:33 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

My messages get deleted it seem

Sandwich00:59:39 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jmw411

That's just a vague response. Can you be more specific please?

Formulating

Broke AsFeck00:59:42 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Brian_Kammeraman

I'm sure if you look up how to vote using simpleos there are some videos. I'm not sure how much easier they can make it. All you have to do is login to your wallet and check which bps you want to vote for and click vote

The voting system is a complex thing - having people understand it is important

Sandwich00:59:47 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

mantiss3

My messages get deleted it seem

don’t use mentions as new member.

jmw41100:59:51 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Formulating

Thank you

Ezeth01:00:17 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I did not know this rule sorry

Ezeth01:00:37 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Do i need to retype my question ?

Sandwich01:00:57 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

mantiss3

Do i need to retype my question ?

Yes please, otherwise bot will delete it.

Ezeth01:01:26 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I was sayign that if scalability is the ultimate goal over decentralization

Ezeth01:01:46 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Then one should be transparent about that as those are conflicting features

Ezeth01:01:59 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If restrictions operate on who can be a BP

Ezeth01:02:26 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Then the fact that one can vote/replace BP is not a real guarantee of doversity in the governance body

Ezeth01:03:41 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If large amount of money need to be inevsted upfront to be BP then the system is designed to give a chance to be making money on investment => BP selection is « sticky »

Ezeth01:04:07 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

And only « few » entitites can be BP compared to the number of token holders

Cryptographr01:04:32 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

What opinions do people have here about BPs using their continually earned EOS to reinvest as votes to themselves?

Broke AsFeck01:04:50 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Cryptographr

What opinions do people have here about BPs using their continually earned EOS to reinvest as votes to themselves?

needs changing for sure

Ezeth01:04:54 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Cryptographr

What opinions do people have here about BPs using their continually earned EOS to reinvest as votes to themselves?

Thats obvious conflict of interest

Broke AsFeck01:05:03 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

the 3 year rule does as well

Ezeth01:05:06 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

But the protocol cannot prevent that

Brian01:05:11 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

The voting system is a complex thing - having people understand it is important

The voting process is super easy though. I agree there needs to be more videos on the importance of voting but simpleos makes the voting process as easy as possible.

Ezeth01:05:14 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Can it ?

Broke AsFeck01:05:54 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Brian_Kammeraman

The voting process is super easy though. I agree there needs to be more videos on the importance of voting but simpleos makes the voting process as easy as possible.

Dan L said earlier that's why 21 is better than a higher number - lack of education on the system

Cryptographr01:06:10 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

People also need access to their EOS from more exchanges. There is a lot of people who are in limbo and unable to participate in this emergent ecosystem.

Sandwich01:06:31 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

“Decentralized means that there is no Central Authority over the operation of the blockchain.” “block producers with a vast amount of authority over the governance of the chains, this is in no way decentralized. “ “It’s like pretending that the United States is decentralized with its Constitution and Democratic voting system” 1. That is a subjective definition of decentralization 2. All participants of a decentralized system have pseudo authorities, but must reach consensus for those authorities to have merit 3. In no way is EOS even close, the better analogy if you want to use the united states analogy could describe these diatribes: Complaining about an action conducted by block producers and not actualyl doing anything about it is like sitting at home during the election and freaking out for the next 4 years because your candidate didn’t win.

Broke AsFeck01:07:04 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

There will likely be over 10k cryptos/tokens by the end of next year - that's a lot of different system people will be reading up on

MECH01:08:02 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Does anyone know when Binance will allow EOS withdrawals?

Daz W01:08:18 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

icecrab

Does anyone know when Binance will allow EOS withdrawals?

Sandwich01:08:28 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

please contact binance.

MECH01:08:40 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I did

Daz W01:08:51 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

the 3 year rule does as well

no it doesn't.

Sandwich01:08:54 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

Dan L said earlier that's why 21 is better than a higher number - lack of education on the system

There’s several ways to vote, all of them are easy as pie.

Cryptographr01:08:55 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It seems EOS New York has too much weight and influence in their communication than other BPs. More BPs need to improve and increase their levels of communication. EOS New York feels too 'in control'.

Broke AsFeck01:09:29 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

no it doesn't.

You think people won't see that as a problem?

Sherlan01:09:33 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Broke AsFeck01:09:51 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

There’s several ways to vote, all of them are easy as pie.

It's the people being voted in I'm talking about

Brian01:10:11 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Do the Bitshares EOS tokens have support for actual EOS blockchain yet?

Broke AsFeck01:10:15 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

They can't even get things right now, and these were the 21 voting in

Broke AsFeck01:10:22 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

voted

Daniel Larimer01:10:34 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Dan’s points about ownership of tokens and redistribution of property are fair. What action is required to keep your tokens active? Any transaction or vote of any kind?

Yep.

Cryptographr01:10:39 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I got a response from the Binance Support Team, and they said once the network is stable, they will allow withdrawals and deposits of EOS.

Daz W01:10:42 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

You think people won't see that as a problem?

Again, i don't care what other people think. I only care what I think. I see no problem with having to make a transaction at least ONCE every three years.

Justin01:11:24 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Cryptographr

I got a response from the Binance Support Team, and they said once the network is stable, they will allow withdrawals and deposits of EOS.

Binance is full of crap.

Broke AsFeck01:11:42 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Again, i don't care what other people think. I only care what I think. I see no problem with having to make a transaction at least ONCE every three years.

that's fine for you - other people won't like to see that rule in place

Daz W01:12:42 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

that's fine for you - other people won't like to see that rule in place

Then those people aren't OBLIGATED to hold EOS. Plenty of other crypto available that may suit them better.

Cryptographr01:13:14 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Once BlockOne releases the upcoming wallets, there will be much more activity and participation. Right now EOS is still embryonic.

Tequila01:16:18 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Yep.

Does eos have the ability to make a “voting” key. So I can input it into my wallet, and all this wallet will have permission to do is vote?

Sandwich01:16:19 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I have updated my votes to reflect block producers that have been crtical of the ECAF process.

Daz W01:16:29 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Cryptographr

Once BlockOne releases the upcoming wallets, there will be much more activity and participation. Right now EOS is still embryonic.

It's 8 days old :)

Daniel Larimer01:16:31 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Does eos have the ability to make a “voting key”. So I can input it into my wallet, and all this wallet will have permission to do is vote?

Yes

Sandwich01:17:08 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Does eos have the ability to make a “voting key”. So I can input it into my wallet, and all this wallet will have permission to do is vote?

This has to be achieved with cleos at present.

Sandwich01:17:27 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

You can set a new account permission, then you set the action of that permission to voteproducer

Tequila01:17:38 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hope come we didn’t use that to start? I’d feel much safer imputing my voting key into some brand new relatively unvetted app

Cryptographr01:17:43 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It seems people confuse decentralisation with trustlessness.

Daniel Larimer01:18:01 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Cryptographr

It seems people confuse decentralisation with trustlessness.

Yeah

jmw41101:18:08 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Cryptographr

What opinions do people have here about BPs using their continually earned EOS to reinvest as votes to themselves?

Is that allowable?

Sandwich01:18:28 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

How come we didn’t use that to start? I’d feel much safer imputing my voting key into some brand new relatively unvetted app

You can also update your owner/active keys very easily.

Daniel Larimer01:18:32 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Cryptographr

What opinions do people have here about BPs using their continually earned EOS to reinvest as votes to themselves?

Their property. Earned.

Daniel Larimer01:18:49 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

You can also update your owner/active keys very easily.

Create voting permission

Cryptographr01:18:52 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

The residue of old systems stay stagnant in minds of youth. Soon they will click.

Daniel Larimer01:19:04 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Link eosio::voteprod to it

Kurt01:19:13 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

over 4 billion dollars raised and they cant even make / release a wallet prior to mainnet launch 😕 I dont know what you can say about EOS right now. They have had a year - raised and enormus amount of cash and its currently a sideshow that looks like it was planned out over a few beers in the last couple weekends😞

Daz W01:19:26 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Cryptographr

It seems people confuse decentralisation with trustlessness.

Tequila01:19:46 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

You can also update your owner/active keys very easily.

Not without inputting my private key that has permission to move my eos

Sandwich01:19:47 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Link eosio::voteprod to it

yes, mentioned above

Broke AsFeck01:19:49 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

What is the worse the ECAF could achive through a blind action where the 21 weren't informed?

Daniel Larimer01:19:56 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Kurt

You know nothing about dev

Tequila01:20:19 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I was meaning if we had a voter key right from the start. I know I know, hind sight is 20/20

Daniel Larimer01:20:28 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hiring talent. Critical path development

Daz W01:20:31 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Kurt

There's several wallets.

Sandwich01:20:48 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

```cleos set account permission YOURACCOUNT voting CLAIM_PUBLIC_KEY active -p YOURACCOUNT@active cleos set action permission YOURACCOUNT eosio voteprod voting -p YOURACCOUNT@active```

Sandwich01:21:07 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

@daniellarimer parent active, right?

jmw41101:21:13 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Number one, there is no subjective definition to the words decentralization. Number two, reaching a consensus or a majority, is centralization. Number three, it is precisely like the United States government system.

Daniel Larimer01:21:14 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Yes

Gilgamesh01:21:15 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Kurt

what do you think cleos is?

S01:21:30 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

There's several wallets.

Final software should be reales and wallet built based on final software

Jeff W01:21:38 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

You know nothing about dev

Lol.

Gilgamesh01:21:43 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i wish united states had approval voting :)

Daniel Larimer01:21:47 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jmw411

Us government is not meritocracy

Kurt01:21:49 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

You know nothing about dev

This is true re coding but I do know about busi dev and how to implement complex solutions and that is clearly lacking - if the backend coding is soild its like making a ferrari engine and putting in a BBQ grill and trying to fit 300 people on it for a test run - Who cares about the engine

Daz W01:22:08 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Final software should be reales and wallet built based on final software

reals? huh?

S01:22:25 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

reals? huh?

Release

Broke AsFeck01:22:27 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Kurt

Now this is a atroll post

Cryptographr01:22:27 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

The mind is a system that EOS is integrating into an emergent infocology. A symbiosis of programming and participation. Creativity will transform boundaries to be what humanity represents. A projection of who we truly are will be seen from the edges.

Daniel Larimer01:22:36 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Kurt

You also know nothing of legal constraints and liabilities

EducatedWarrior | EOS CSX Community01:22:55 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Hiring talent. Critical path development

Where do I send my resume? I would be interested if any of my skill could be of use.

Gilgamesh01:22:58 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Kurt

p.s. block.one didn't launch eos, distribution period ended, others launched it, there was no deadline for them to launch some fancy gui wallet by

jmw41101:23:10 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Us government is not meritocracy

If you're referring to the fact that the BP's can be voted out almost instantaneously, that doesn't negate the fact that the 21 or in charge.

Marc01:23:17 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

he's only salty because the price is down...

Yhim01:23:20 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Yhim, [24.06.18 09:17] Does any one know how long need to spend for unstake the token? Isn't it 72hrs? I sent on 6/20/2018, 10:24:35 PM but still can't get it

Daz W01:23:28 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Kurt

There are literally several wallets available. your argument is invalid.

Sandwich01:23:31 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jmw411

If you're referring to the fact that the BP's can be voted out almost instantaneously, that doesn't negate the fact that the 21 are in charge.

Voters are in charge.

Daniel Larimer01:23:38 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jmw411

If you're referring to the fact that the BP's can be voted out almost instantaneously, that doesn't negate the fact that the 21 are in charge.

I’m referring to stake weight

Broke AsFeck01:23:40 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

2nd ask - What is the worst the ECAF could do through a blind action where the 21 weren't informed?

jmw41101:23:45 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Voters are in charge.

LOL

Gilgamesh01:23:53 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jmw411

If you're referring to the fact that the BP's can be voted out almost instantaneously, that doesn't negate the fact that the 21 are in charge.

in charge of what? everything they do has time delays specifically for voters to be in charge

Daniel Larimer01:23:57 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

2nd ask - What is the worst the ECAF could do through a blind action where the 21 weren't informed?

Freeze

Tequila01:23:59 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Kurt

Lmao, seriously? I don’t contribute to EOS (yet), but I have been following this from the start. What they have been able to accomplish, and completely within the timeframe they said they would, is nothing short of impressive

Daniel Larimer01:24:20 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

21 wouldn’t act on more than that without docs

Broke AsFeck01:24:35 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Freeze

how long?

Daz W01:24:37 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jmw411

If you're referring to the fact that the BP's can be voted out almost instantaneously, that doesn't negate the fact that the 21 are in charge.

become a bp if you don't like the system.

Tommy01:24:40 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

with eos its early stages of course its gonna be mroe centralized then the goals it has in mind for the future

Kurt01:24:45 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

You also know nothing of legal constraints and liabilities

RE EOS this is also accurate - Im just saying a few HUGE brush strokes seem to have been overlooked and it makes the project look amateur - I am a big holder an long term believer. Just my perception of the short term. Long term I do belive EOS will crush it.👊🏻

jmw41101:24:59 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I’m referring to stake weight

I'm certainly not going to sit here and fud EOS. I'm just making some observations appreciate the responses. I'm all in and I'm hoping that this particular chain takes off.

Broke AsFeck01:25:32 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

freeze doesn't sound to bad tbh

Dramu01:25:42 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

The reality is that you cannot set a framework that everyone is happy with, it will never happen, set what consensus believes is best practice and run with it

Broke AsFeck01:25:45 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i thought it would be worse than that

Tommy01:25:47 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

the biggest fud attempt i heaer every single time is "but the mining is centralized so its shit"

Daniel Larimer01:25:54 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Only as long as producers feel it is justified

Daniel Larimer01:26:22 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Dramu1

The reality is that you cannot set a framework that everyone is happy with, it will never happen, set what consensus believes is best practice and run with it

Exactly this

jmw41101:26:34 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

become a bp if you don't like the system.

That sounds just like an American voter saying if you don't like the way things are going, run for president yourself or vote for someone better. That's not decentralized governance, as governance itself is centralized naturally.

jmw41101:27:04 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

... And I'm not saying that this blockchain needs to be decentralized. I'm just saying that it's not decentralized.

Ξ►DYOR◄Ξ01:27:19 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I’m referring to stake weight

you dirty fuck assfucker, because of you people have lost thousands of dolars, and you make a big butt ass boss here, or how

Broke AsFeck01:27:29 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

decentralization doesn't matter if the system works

Gilgamesh01:27:33 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

depends what you are measuring. by control it's decentralized, by architecture it's centralized. you can have widely decentralized network architecturally that's controlled by single computer as well

Daniel Larimer01:27:47 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jmw411

I think you are too centralized. I propose we separate your limbs.

Daz W01:27:50 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jmw411

This governance isn't centralized. Nice shot at America, lol👍

jmw41101:28:00 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I think you are too centralized. I propose we separate your limbs.

Ouch

Tommy01:28:12 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

lol

Daz W01:28:38 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

I think you are too centralized. I propose we separate your limbs.

😂🤣😂

Gilgamesh01:28:41 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

that's like a dad joke :)

Syed Jafri | EOS Cafe / Calgary01:28:48 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Lol

Tequila01:28:48 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Does anyone at all understand how BTC is governed?

Tequila01:29:01 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Why are we still having this stupid conversation

Jeff W01:29:06 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

that's like a dad joke :)

Why does snoop dog carry an umbrella?

Tommy01:29:10 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

roast with dan larimen lol

Andrew01:29:46 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Does anyone at all understand how BTC is governed?

Jihan VS blockstream. They fight it out as they do upgrades

Daz W01:29:51 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

My favorite dad joke: did your parents have any children that lived.

Tequila01:29:59 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

andrewquel

Jihan VS blockstream. They fight it out as they do upgrades

Totally decentralized

Daniel Larimer01:30:03 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

My point is that centralized system is necessary for life

Tequila01:30:04 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Right?

jmw41101:30:20 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

My point is that centralized system is necessary for life

I get it

Tommy01:30:29 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

My point is that centralized system is necessary for life

to a degreee

Daniel Larimer01:30:43 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It is about many centralized systems competition

Romeo01:30:46 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

So, when moon, Dan? 🤣

jmw41101:30:50 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

And I'm down with it. But let's not pretend that it's decentralized. That's just being silly. While I have you here Dan, I want to take the opportunity to say thank you!

mightbebemike 🌽01:30:56 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

My point is that centralized system is necessary for life

Demonstrably untrue.

Daniel Larimer01:31:02 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Internal centralized external decentralized

Karkus Skullvin01:31:13 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Greatness happens on the edge of chaos 👁

Broke AsFeck01:31:21 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Internal centralized external decentralized

so you are really a hybrid

Tommy01:31:22 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Internal centralized external decentralized

hey that pretty preplexing lol

Daniel Larimer01:31:30 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Each living organism is centralized but ecosystem is decentralized

Tommy01:31:51 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

but they are governed by things

Tommy01:32:00 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

like natural selection pressures

jmw41101:32:16 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

How is the EOS ecosystem "decentralized?"

Jeff W01:32:16 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Each living organism is centralized but ecosystem is decentralized

Do you smoke weed?

Tommy01:32:21 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

so decentralized to a certain goal

Yima.one01:32:33 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

👍

Broke AsFeck01:32:36 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Tommy

so decentralized to a certain goal

Not fully

Tommy01:32:57 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

Not fully

hmm?

Daniel Larimer01:33:03 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Basically decentralize as much as possible but not to point of splitting atoms.

sheep herder from albania01:33:05 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

any airdrops today?

Broke AsFeck01:33:21 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If I was to be kind i would say that every decentralized system has a breaking point

Stoic Phoenix01:33:42 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

johnthreat

any airdrops today?

im doing drop elbows from top turnbuckle...how many you want?

Daniel Larimer01:33:43 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Marginal utility

Tommy01:33:46 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

when u start with things decentralized to the point of an atom its would just reform into a kinda of centralized order

Broke AsFeck01:33:56 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

We could blow up the planet earth and kill everything

jmw41101:34:09 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Basically decentralize as much as possible but not to point of splitting atoms.

Functionally centralized and fictionally decentralized. 😜

Tommy01:34:12 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

We could blow up the planet earth and kill everything

what atoms we splitting?

Daz W01:34:18 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

If I was to be kind i would say that every decentralized system has a breaking point

Do you own EOS?

Broke AsFeck01:34:21 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Tommy

what atoms we splitting?

One big one

Shane Steele01:34:24 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Exactly this

simpleos wallet, it looks great but is it safe to use?

Broke AsFeck01:34:28 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Do you own EOS?

yes

Stoic Phoenix01:34:36 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

We could blow up the planet earth and kill everything

you struggle to blow a sailor so not concerned

sheep herder from albania01:34:37 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

stoicphoenix

im doing drop elbows from top turnbuckle...how many you want?

hit me!

Tequila01:34:41 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

You know what I loved today

Daniel Larimer01:34:42 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Basically everyone is worried about decentralizing every company rather than making 1000s of companies

Daz W01:34:43 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

yes

Why?

Ian01:34:47 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hi i saw a eos airdrop bot. Is it legit?

Broke AsFeck01:34:47 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

stoicphoenix

you struggle to blow a sailor so not concerned

calm down dear

Tequila01:35:03 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Eosdac says “hey we are doing our air drop”

Tequila01:35:13 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

30 mins later all tokens in accounts

Broke AsFeck01:35:31 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Why?

return on my investment

mightbebemike 🌽01:35:48 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Basically everyone is worried about decentralizing every company rather than making 1000s of companies

A carefully chosen balance of efficiency versus decentralization makes sense right?

Daz W01:35:51 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

return on my investment

So, strictly for a return basis?

Daniel Larimer01:35:52 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

We like to view our chain as ruling everything and thus needing dectralization. Vs ruling itself in competition with everything

Broke AsFeck01:35:56 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

So, strictly for a return basis?

yes

Daz W01:36:18 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

yes

Then what do you care about decentralization? lol

Tommy01:36:28 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

dan whats yo thoughts on the btc quantum hashing or timetravel thingy?

Broke AsFeck01:36:33 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Then what do you care about decentralization? lol

I care that there is no point of failure

Tommy01:36:44 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Tommy

dan whats yo thoughts on the btc quantum hashing or timetravel thingy?

or random chance

jmw41101:37:04 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Basically decentralize as much as possible but not to point of splitting atoms.

I'll tell you what, you couldn't find a bigger fan or happier person to know that your building this ecosystem and supporting this blockchain in order to compliment Humanity and create a Freer and much better world then we could ever have imagined otherwise. I hope that those on the telegram and all the people who are interested and invested in EOS understands the message behind what you are doing Dan. I'm a voluntaryist too.

Daz W01:37:06 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

I care that there is no point of failure

There's no such thing as the impossibility of failure, with anything.

Tequila01:37:27 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I would like write permission to the eos GitHub, but I’ll settle for being made a telegram admin

Broke AsFeck01:37:45 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

There's no such thing as the impossibility of failure, with anything.

I don't believe that to be true

Tequila01:37:55 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Dan....it’s time my friend

jmw41101:37:57 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

We like to view our chain as ruling everything and thus needing dectralization. Vs ruling itself in competition with everything

That's remarkable!! Thank you.

Tommy01:38:00 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jmw411

tryna understand eos while u got no programming knowlegde is funnn lol

Daz W01:38:01 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

I don't believe that to be true

Then you haven't lived very long.

Daniel Larimer01:38:24 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

I would like write permission to the eos GitHub, but I’ll settle for being made a telegram admin

But your infected with a worm.

Broke AsFeck01:38:29 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Then you haven't lived very long.

I believe you will always ask stupid questions - no chance of that changing

Tequila01:38:40 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

But your infected with a worm.

Damn you

Lane Buegler01:38:59 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Who runs CCN

Lane Buegler01:39:38 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Every article is bashing eos

Elim Herr - EOS Nation Ambassador01:39:50 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jzell24

what bugs, what centralization? just another FUD article from people who dont understand EOS

Daz W01:39:59 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

I believe you will always ask stupid questions - no chance of that changing

Listen child, i have an mba from columbia and have operated an investment partnership for 27 years that manages over $38m. you've got a long way to go before you catch up to me, stud.

Gilgamesh01:40:11 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ethereum scammers rely on misinformation to promote their broken platform

Broke AsFeck01:40:15 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Listen child, i have an mba from columbia and have operated an investment partnership for 27 years that manages over $38m. you've got a long way to go before you catch up to me, stud.

haha

jmw41101:40:24 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Tommy

tryna understand eos while u got no programming knowlegde is funnn lol

I have an understanding of humanity and a freedom. I understand that for each and every transaction to be legitimate, it must be voluntarily entered into by all the participants in that transaction. I don't need to have computer programming knowledge to understand the EOS is based on that idea.

Nafn01:40:45 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

How do i check if i received an airdrop?

Daz W01:40:50 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

haha

hahaha

Elim Herr - EOS Nation Ambassador01:40:52 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Eth is broken

Tequila01:40:56 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I’ll let you pick my new name if you make me an admin.

Daniel Larimer01:41:15 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

I’ll let you pick my new name if you make me an admin.

This could be fun.

Broke AsFeck01:41:33 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

i've got your hahaha right here, pal.

I'm not really interested - congratulations anyway

Tommy01:41:49 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ElimHerr

wait what how much tx/s

Gilgamesh01:41:56 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

this is good image on decentralization - shows what's important - who controls everyone else, distributed like folding at home has all powerful admins. decentralized means no central authority - voters sign messages that change block producers that change consensus, it's decentralized control through intermediate party https://maidsafeplatform.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/networksv2.png

Daz W01:42:01 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

I'm not really interested - congratulations anyway

Seems your only interest is being a clown.

Elim Herr - EOS Nation Ambassador01:42:02 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ElimHerr

ETH is broken

sheep herder from albania01:42:03 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ElimHerr

Eth is broken

how?

Cryptographr01:42:08 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Nick Szabo is a historian. Biased towards a time that removes promise of progress by being too nostalgic.

sheep herder from albania01:42:29 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

the cornell professor - this is from his twitter timeline

paul01:42:54 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

dan can i ask you a question

paul01:43:08 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

whats to stop the 21 bps to randomly freeze an account

Gilgamesh01:43:09 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

szabo has legitimate criticism that governance is difficult to scale socially, but as obvious by the world working with it, not impossible

paul01:43:14 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

say for no reason at all

sheep herder from albania01:43:16 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

he said this in 2013.. now he is on twitter say bad things about EOS. He is also bad at computer security even though he teaches it.

Daz W01:43:27 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

paul

whats to stop the 21 bps to randomly freeze an account

A lawsuit

Craig01:43:41 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Each living organism is centralized but ecosystem is decentralized

This makes you think.. And even this depends how far you pan out i guess. Everything we know may be a centralized ecosystem in a more decentralized galaxy and on and on..

Gilgamesh01:43:47 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

paul

whats to stop the 21 bps to randomly freeze an account

voters. always.

sheep herder from albania01:43:53 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

uh oh. maybe i quiet now. Sheep herders dont really know how to interact in first world.

Gilgamesh01:44:10 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

paul

whats to stop the 21 bps to randomly freeze an account

what's to stop top 3 mining pools from randomly freezing an account? :P

howhow trin01:44:10 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

hello EOS ! can someone tell me how I can change my ugly EOS name that I was given for my account? is this possible ?

Cryptographr01:44:29 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Progress requires attempts to challenge archaic thought structures.

paul01:44:38 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

but who will know to vote

paul01:45:02 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

lest say hyptothetically they pick on one person

paul01:45:10 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

no one else will know besides that one person

Gilgamesh01:45:15 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

paul

but who will know to vote

people who have locked stake thats tied to value of platform have every incentive to vote if they don't want their platform to censor for 0 reason and lose value or why people are now switching votes in response to ECAF

Xlr801:45:15 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Anyone know how many Eos tokens were not registered?

Sandwich01:46:21 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Xlr8up

Anyone know how many Eos tokens were not registered?

0.3% after fallback

Gilgamesh01:46:34 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Xlr8up

Anyone know how many Eos tokens were not registered?

https://eosauthority.com/genesis

Sole One01:46:35 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

howhow trin

hello EOS ! can someone tell me how I can change my ugly EOS name that I was given for my account? is this possible ?

you can buy a new 12 character account name. costs around 0.3 EOS for 8kb of RAM recommended for a new account. can use scatter and eostoolkit.io.

paul01:46:47 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

@DrSpikeSpiegel but there are other pools to mine

Carbonform Pumpus01:46:57 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Xlr8up

Anyone know how many Eos tokens were not registered?

no token left behind

Gilgamesh01:46:59 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

paul

@DrSpikeSpiegel but there are other pools to mine

yes, and there are other block producers to vote for :)

jmw41101:47:36 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

szabo has legitimate criticism that governance is difficult to scale socially, but as obvious by the world working with it, not impossible. and there's also issue of governance being present in all blockchains, just harder to figure out.

Can you define what you mean by the world is working with it? How is it working? Who was it working for? Governance can never scale socially because it relies on force. Governance can only scale in a prison.

Gilgamesh01:47:41 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

but 51%+ of miners can permanently prevent some tx from being included in blocks by only mining blocks w/o it

Broke AsFeck01:47:49 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

will future airdropped tokens be awared to people that buy and hold eos after the token swap?

Doc_Worm01:47:59 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

0.3% after fallback registration

An amazing feat - so overlooked.

paul01:48:26 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i see

paul01:48:32 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

thanks for the clarification

Craig01:48:44 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

will future airdropped tokens be awared to people that buy and hold eos after the token swap?

Ypu need to ask future airdrops :) but i would assume the answer is likely yes.

paul01:48:45 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

wasnt too sure sbout the erac news i read today

paul01:48:46 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

thanks

Daniel Larimer01:49:12 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

but 51%+ of miners can permanently prevent some tx from being included in blocks by only mining blocks w/o it

Or 2 people

Gilgamesh01:49:12 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jmw411

Can you define what you mean by the world is working with it? How is it working? Who is it working for? Governance can never scale socially because it relies on force. Governance can only scale in a prison.

sure there's force, on blockchain we have incentives and consensus to govern. nobody using force to get people to vote in proper democracy, different tool kits on blockchains

Broke AsFeck01:49:25 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

deftep

You need to ask future airdrops :) but i would assume the answer is likely yes.

good

Tommy01:49:38 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

wait wtf is eths tx/s 6 right now?

Gilgamesh01:49:48 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

yes basically, until voters or miners delegate hash from censoring pool to non censoring pool like delegating power from censoring block producers to non censoring

Craig01:49:56 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

good

I kimda think dapps that decide might use a date more relavent to their own inception vs genesis.

Daz W01:50:02 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

will future airdropped tokens be awared to people that buy and hold eos after the token swap?

What an idiotic question. The swap has been completed for some time now. wow. The basics.

jmw41101:50:18 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

sure there's force, on blockchain we have incentives and consensus to govern. nobody using force to get people to vote in proper democracy, different tool kits on blockchains

My point was a little bit different. I think I'm in the wrong group. LOL I'm waxing philosophical in a cryptocurrency discussion. LOL

Tommy01:50:34 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

What an idiotic question. The swap has been completed for some time now. wow. The basics.

lol im still wondering which correct way to make an eos wallet

Broke AsFeck01:50:41 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

deftep

I kinda think future dapps that decide *to build on EOS might use a date more relavent to their own inception vs genesis.

Ahh, cool

Tequila01:50:51 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Dan, do you have friends at coinbase?

Doc_Worm01:51:04 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

What an idiotic question. The swap has been completed for some time now. wow. The basics.

Of all the questions in here.... that's not too bad.

Daz W01:51:06 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Tommy

lol im still wondering which correct way to make an eos wallet

To make one or to download and use one?

Tommy01:51:16 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

make one

Gilgamesh01:51:29 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

people keep asking on like every forum dan's opinion on confiscating everyone's eos balances according to article xv, best I could find was: https://i.imgur.com/68tr6YD.png

Broke AsFeck01:51:30 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Doc_Worm

Of all the questions in here.... that's not too bad.

He has some issue with me and thinks by saying horrible things i'll reply, or something

Daz W01:51:50 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Doc_Worm

Of all the questions in here.... that's not too bad.

Considering he's spent the last three houra complaining about decentralization, it was pretty stupid.

Tommy01:52:35 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

wait hang on the second highest valued network in the crypto space is eth with a tx/s of 6 currently while eos is 500k tx/s

Tommy01:52:40 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

^ someone explain

Tommy01:52:42 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

im confused

Daz W01:52:47 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Tommy

make one

I'd recommend the eos developer forum for that information.

Tommy01:52:56 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

thanks daz

Dallas Rushing01:52:58 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Each living organism is centralized but ecosystem is decentralized

That's deep

Craig01:53:05 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

Ahh, cool

And to back it up. Genesis acounts in 5 years might not make up majority of eos holding accounts anymore so for a wider distribution of their airdrop they should use a more relavent (current) snapshot date. Just my 2 cents anyway.

Tommy01:53:18 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

dallasrushing

That's deep

only as deep as u are

Tequila01:53:49 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Doc_Worm

Of all the questions in here.... that's not too bad.

Totally legit question. Some air drops will choose to use the genesis snapshot, but others will take a new one. So hold your tokens and you should receive airdrops in the future

Broke AsFeck01:53:49 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

dallasrushing

That's deep

What about conjoined twins?

Stoic Phoenix01:53:53 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Tommy

only as deep as u are

he loves it deep

Tommy01:54:00 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

lolll

Daz W01:54:02 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

He has some issue with me and thinks by saying horrible things i'll reply, or something

Horrible things? You've been calling me an idiot for two hours now. Pretty obvious that you're trolling.

Tequila01:54:10 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jsw513

Do you smoke weed?

Lmao

PowerPics - EOSTalks01:54:18 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

🌟 **EOSTalk Live! Recording June 23, 2018** Guest: EOS the World https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DbsUeBHp_w

Daz W01:54:47 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Tommy

thanks daz

You're welcome

Tommy01:55:02 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

one can only extrapolate meaning up to how much meaning one has

Doc_Worm01:55:44 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

But your infected with a worm.

lol

Daz W01:56:28 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Totally legit question. Some air drops will choose to use the genesis snapshot, but others will take a new one. So hold your tokens and you should receive airdrops in the future

Tje "after the swap" part was the idiotic part. The "swap" has already ocurred.

Craig01:57:18 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Doc_Worm

lol

Thats assuming hes a fancy tequilla.

Raphael01:57:38 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Can someone send me a link or point me towards the right direction to where I can go and use my private key to access my EOS and all the airdrop from my ledger nano s? Please guys I know google will tell me everything that I need to know but the only place I trust with my private key is here so please someone. Thank you.

Doc_Worm01:59:16 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

But your infected with a worm.

We prefer "symbiotic" to "infected" thanks 😏 "Infected" implies a negative. 😆

Rick McCracken01:59:39 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DIFCee

Don't trust this place with your private key, but I know what you mean.

Tequila02:00:16 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

People seem to be recommending greymass

Broke AsFeck02:00:20 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

The "after the swap" part was the idiotic part. The "swap" has already occurred.

I said after the swap as I wondered if token drops would only go to people registered

Broke AsFeck02:00:42 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If you are looking fo stupidy, look in the mirror

Tequila02:01:04 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It’s a desktop wallet you download. I’ve been harassing people in here to get the correct link listed in eos.io, so that people don’t end up using a scam version

Raphael02:01:35 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

RickMcCracken

Don't trust this place with your private key, but I know what you mean.

Lol yeah of course not.

Sandwich02:01:39 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

It’s a desktop wallet you download. I’ve been harassing people in here to get the correct link listed in eos.io, so that people don’t end up using a scam version

There’s legal implications.

Daz W02:02:08 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

I said after the swap as I wondered if token drops would only go to people registered

If you think about it, which you probably won't, the answer can easily be determined based on ones knoweledge of functionality (the basics). I'm done beating a dead horse, but the question was stupid.

Raphael02:02:21 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

People seem to be recommending greymass

Oh ok! There’s no link from here?

Tequila02:02:32 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

There’s legal implications, which is why those pleas won’t be heard.

Ok, well then we need to BP’s to put together a single site for eos info

Sandwich02:02:37 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Ok, well then we need to BP’s to put together a single site for eos info

👍

paul02:02:39 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

@DrSpikeSpiegel i know that theres nothing preventing 51% for mining, but that still doesnt prevent the bp freezing an account?

Sandwich02:02:40 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Or anyone..

paul02:02:54 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

whats the incentive for bps to not freeze a random. acc

Tequila02:03:04 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Give them eos.io

Tequila02:03:23 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

What does block one need this for if they can’t put the most important eos info on it

Steven McCabe02:03:27 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

paul

whats the incentive for bps to not freeze a random. acc

To continue being a BP

Daz W02:03:52 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

stevenmccabe

To continue being a BP

paul02:03:53 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

but i go back to my original example, how wohld anyone know?

Sandwich02:04:00 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

What does block one need this for if they can’t put the most important eos info on it

EOSIO is a platform, EOS is a network.

paul02:04:18 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

lets just say hypothetically in the unlikely chance that the 21 bps decide to freeze a random account

Raphael02:04:23 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

deftep

I dare not.

paul02:04:27 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

no one would ever know, except that one person

Kheperu / Aka Mr. Conner02:04:28 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

silkyskills

What about conjoined twins?

That forced centralization consensus or die

Doc_Worm02:04:42 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Come now people - let's be above insults....

Raphael02:04:51 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

deftep

Thank you

paul02:04:58 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

whos going to vote them out? no one else will be affected

Daz W02:05:09 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

paul

no one would ever know, except that one person

That's what an arbitrator is for.

Sandwich02:05:22 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

paul

no one would ever know, except that one person

That person would make a lot of noise.

Craig02:05:26 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DIFCee

Thank you

Haha ❤️

Tequila02:05:29 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

We’ll surely block one snagged some other handy eos websites

paul02:05:32 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i know the merits behind the arbitrator is good

Sandwich02:05:37 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

And an account being frozen isn’t exactly opaque.

Tequila02:05:37 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Tell Dan to contact me and I’ll make one

paul02:05:41 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

but honestly, 21 bp vs 1 person

Raphael02:05:47 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

RickMcCracken

Don't trust this place with your private key, but I know what you mean.

Hi Rick, is your EOS still frozen?

Sandwich02:05:51 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Tell Dan to contact me and I’ll make one

just make one 🙂

paul02:05:54 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i dont think anyone would listen to that one random person

Sandwich02:06:01 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Plenty of people have made sites, what’s standing in your way?

Tequila02:06:07 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Well I need a good URL

paul02:06:33 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

hi sandwich, maybe you can help shed some light for me

Daz W02:06:34 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

paul

i know the merits behind the arbitrator is good

So you freeze john's account, john goes to arbitrator, information automatically becomes public, and the arbitration starts. Thete are no closets to hide in.

Sandwich02:06:34 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

Well I need a good URL

domai.nr

paul02:06:58 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ok so lets take todays case for example

Steven McCabe02:06:58 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

domai.nr

😂

Tequila02:07:06 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

SandwichEOS.com

paul02:07:10 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

27/37 (not sure how many) got frozen

Raphael02:07:19 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

Plenty of people have made sites, what’s standing in your way?

Hi Admin, can you please send me the right greymass link?

Rick McCracken02:07:20 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DIFCee

Hi Rick, is your EOS still frozen?

No, it is not frozen. It can be moved to a wallet now.

Sandwich02:07:20 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

realtequila

SandwichEOS.com

Nobody would go to that..

paul02:07:30 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

their reason was “we’re not going to tel you reason now, we’ll let you know later”

Xlr802:07:38 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

On Eosflare it shows a eosdactokens transfer... is there a site that shows more details of this transfer

paul02:07:39 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

what kind of reasoning was that?

Michael Scanlon02:07:42 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

paul

27/37 (not sure how many) got frozen

Thought it was 7

Raphael02:07:43 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

RickMcCracken

No, it is not frozen. It can be moved to a wallet now.

How please?

Chris02:07:50 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DIFCee

How please?

Yes how?

paul02:08:01 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sorry i got my numbers mixed up, but regardless, 7 people

paul02:08:25 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

how can they just freeze, say we’ll let you know the reason later?

jmw41102:08:37 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Tommy

only as deep as u are

That was even deeper.

paul02:08:38 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

doesnt that kind of look like abuse of power?

Daz W02:08:47 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DIFCee

Hi Admin, can you please send me the right greymass link?

https://github.com/greymass/eos-voter/releases

Rick McCracken02:08:50 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOSchris

Yes how?

Wow I don't know, I haven't moved it yet. But I heard Graymass is good.

Raphael02:09:16 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

https://github.com/greymass/eos-voter/releases

Bingo! Thank you.

Michael Scanlon02:09:27 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

paul

how can they just freeze, say we’ll let you know the reason later?

It was due to theft of EOS from those accounts

Chris02:09:27 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

RickMcCracken

Wow I don't know, I haven't moved it yet. But I heard gremass is good.

Yeah... I could move my EOS to scatter i guess..... BUT I want them on binance

Gilgamesh02:09:28 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Soleone

token ownership is written in ram. its of course also easily reconstructable from the transaction history. if you control 10% of all eos and you die then 10% of all cpu/net will always be blocked for you for example and others can’t use the full network capacity anymore.

nonsense. if you control 10% of eos you have no cpu/net. only if they are vested. so unvest, problem solved, unvested eos has zero effect on global cpu/net

Daz W02:09:28 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DIFCee

Bingo! Thank you.

Ypu're welcome

jmw41102:09:59 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Tommy

one can only extrapolate meaning up to how much meaning one has

Head = kaboom

paul02:10:21 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

@MichaelScanlon how do they know of this? was there a reasoning that i didnt read up on?

Alex Koshy Giby02:10:25 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hey guys what if I buy eos from binance.. can it in later stages be transferred into my eos wallet ?

Sandwich02:10:30 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

nonsense. if you control 10% of eos you have no cpu/net. only if they are vested do you get anything. so unvest, problem solved, unvested eos has zero effect on global cpu/net

Yeah, liquid eos can actually subsidize surging for those with staked CPU/NET

Steven McCabe02:10:48 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

captalex002a

Hey guys what if I buy eos from binance.. can it in later stages be transferred into my eos wallet ?

Yes, if you have an EOS wallet.

Daz W02:10:49 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

paul

how can they just freeze, say we’ll let you know the reason later?

The reason was known. The owners of those accpunts requested the acounts THEY OWN be frozen.

Kheperu / Aka Mr. Conner02:10:55 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Xlr8up

On Eosflare it shows a eosdactokens transfer... is there a site that shows more details of this transfer

Cryptoloins monitor site has more info about airdrop being done now eosdac has dropped

Raphael02:11:05 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

RickMcCracken

Wow I don't know, I haven't moved it yet. But I heard gremass is good.

You should move them. I thought I will leave them for at least 6 months but I have this weird feeling

paul02:11:31 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

oh, so i cant just randomly accuse someone of stealing funds and freeze their accounts?

Michael Scanlon02:11:40 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

paul

@MichaelScanlon how do they know of this? was there a reasoning that i didnt read up on?

Yes the accounts holders got scammed online and the BP's were trying to help them get there EOS back

paul02:11:51 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

that was the impression i got from reading the article online

paul02:11:59 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

perhaps it was slightly biased in writing haha

Alex Koshy Giby02:12:03 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

stevenmccabe

Yes, if you have an EOS wallet.

Ok... So doesn't matter now abt genesis SS

Daz W02:12:13 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

paul

that was the impression i got from reading the article online

Your impression is incorrect.

paul02:12:52 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sry thats why i wanted to confirm with you guys

Steven McCabe02:13:13 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

paul

oh, so i cant just randomly accuse someone of stealing funds and freeze their accounts?

You have to provide proof, which they did.

Daz W02:13:18 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

paul

oh, so i cant just randomly accuse someone of stealing funds and freeze their accounts?

The account owners provided proof that was sufficient for the purposes of complying with the request.

jmw41102:14:08 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

paul

no one would ever know, except that one person

I think it has to be a consensus of two thirds of the BPs on order for that to happen.

Daz W02:14:42 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jmw411

I think it has to be a consensus of two thirds of the BPs on order for that to happen.

2/3 +1, i believe.

paul02:15:33 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

hmm interesting thanks a lot guys im going to read up a bit more on this

paul02:15:41 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

really appreciate the insights :)

paul02:16:03 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

this arbitrator thing i just cant wrap my head around

Kheperu / Aka Mr. Conner02:16:33 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

paul

oh, so i cant just randomly accuse someone of stealing funds and freeze their accounts?

If u do that for malicious reason you could pay a price..

paul02:16:40 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i saw that already

paul02:17:05 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

but like, whats to say i give sell the token to someone else

paul02:17:10 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i get money from them

paul02:17:15 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

then i say they stole it

paul02:17:29 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

(unethical of course)

Daz W02:17:45 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

paul

then i say they stole it

Impossible. lol

paul02:17:59 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

how? doesnt the end result look exactly the same

paul02:18:04 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

they have my tokens

Bill Levesque02:18:06 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

has eos voting ended?

paul02:18:19 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i can provide proof of original address

paul02:18:27 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

eg private key

Drew02:19:04 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Bill Levesque

has eos voting ended?

Eos voting will never end.

Daz W02:19:20 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

paul

i can provide proof of original address

proof of private key ownership isn't the only requirement :) little more detailed than that, sir.

Bill Levesque02:19:57 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

well the first time voting ended?

paul02:20:54 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

okie dokes thanks daz

Daz W02:21:09 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

paul

okie dokes thanks daz

You're welcome.

Mr Brinker02:21:50 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ElimHerr

what bugs, what centralization? just another FUD article from people who dont understand EOS

So basically everyone who criticises EOS is stupid and know nothing??? Very strong argument

Steven McCabe02:22:30 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Bill Levesque

well the first time voting ended?

Voting never ended. If you're asking if we reached the 15% needed in order to launch, then yes, it was reach on the 15th June.

James Nguyen02:22:40 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

cryptolover02:23:34 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

How to see airdrop tokens recieved on EOS blockchain

Tequila02:23:57 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Eospark.com

Junior Ramos02:24:05 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Did we had any eos air drop?

Tequila02:24:10 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Put in your account (not private key)

Tequila02:24:27 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

And then you can see airdropped tokens in the “token” drop down

EthiopianCrypto02:26:28 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

CryptoJuniorfever

Did we had any eos air drop?

You missed it too

Junior Ramos02:26:57 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EthiopianCrypto

You missed it too

I miss what airdrop

Junior Ramos02:27:20 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I guess I did

jmw41102:28:13 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

paul

hmm interesting thanks a lot guys im going to read up a bit more on this

Chris Coney from cryptoverse did a YouTube video two days ago on the 21st of June, about the freezing of accounts. Very good info.

Daz W02:29:01 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I've shared this before, but wanted to share again because it has influence my vote. I believe bitfinex poses a conflict of interest and this cahrt helps to determine who bitfinex has been casting teir proxy votes for. I removed one block producer i had previously voted for due to bitfinex's voting allocation: http://eos-bp-votes.dapptools.info/s/api/block-producer-votes-stack-html/1/40

Daz W02:30:21 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I refuse to vote on bitfinex side.

BNB Master02:30:37 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hey guys just came back from vacation

BNB Master02:30:50 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Noticing eos is struggling

BNB Master02:30:54 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

What happened

Daz W02:32:43 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

mrFomoski

What happened

No struggle at all with EOS. It's operating efficiently.

jmw41102:32:47 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

mrFomoski

Hey guys just came back from vacation

Dan the man was in here. I felt like a teenage girl at an Elvis Presley concert. 😆

jmw41102:33:16 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

... I fainted twice.

Crypto Lover02:33:16 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Dan is always here

Crypto Lover02:33:34 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

He peeks in and pokes and goes .

比

比特币大额出售02:35:00 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Selling large amount of btc

Elim Herr - EOS Nation Ambassador02:35:43 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

I refuse to vote on bitfinex side. Currently, 8 BP's are sponsored by bitfinex. That's an issue for me and i changed my votes accordingly.

Proof?

Daz W02:36:04 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ElimHerr

Proof?

Proof of what?

Michael02:39:07 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hi I have no eosdac tokens against my address. Should I have been included in snapshot from main net launch or did I need to hold Eos earlier? I participated second last day of ico

Aravind02:40:43 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Eosdac was airdropped based on snapshot in may or something (much before June 2)

Michael Scanlon02:40:56 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Mikeybris

Hi I have no eosdac tokens against my address. Should I have been included in snapshot from main net launch or did I need to hold Eos earlier? I participated second last day of ico

EOSDac drop happened in May

Michael02:41:15 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Ok thank you

Dwidh02:41:15 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Mikeybris

Hi I have no eosdac tokens against my address. Should I have been included in snapshot from main net launch or did I need to hold Eos earlier? I participated second last day of ico

eosdac snapshot on april

Michael02:41:24 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

👍

Sevo P02:41:45 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Whats next airdrop?

Steven McCabe02:42:09 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sevop

Whats next airdrop?

This isn't the group for discussions on airdrops, read pinned message, but you can check to see future airdrops from here: http://airdropsforeos.com

Tom Norwood | Trybe.one02:48:14 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hey everyone check out my recent article on all my favourite EOS tools and apps! https://trybe.one/the-ultimate-guide-to-eos-tools/

Daz W02:49:03 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ElimHerr

Proof?

Well, that was a short conversation.

Jack Sprw02:49:23 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

greymass

Daz W02:50:08 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Mikeybris

Hi I have no eosdac tokens against my address. Should I have been included in snapshot from main net launch or did I need to hold Eos earlier? I participated second last day of ico

April 15 was their snapshot.

J P02:50:09 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://twitter.com/FrankoCurrency/status/1010510317514870784

Tim Weston - GenerEOS Australia02:50:17 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOSToolkit.io Introduces Block Producers Claim Rewards Function. https://steemit.com/eos/@genereos/eostoolkit-io-block-producer-claim-rewards-added

Elim Herr - EOS Nation Ambassador02:51:37 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Well, that was a short conversation.

proof that BFX backs 8 BOS in top 21

J P02:51:46 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

J P

https://twitter.com/FrankoCurrency/status/1010510317514870784

Your either with EOS or against nothing in between. EOS crawls under ppls skin love it 💪🏽👊🏽💪🏽👊🏽

Daz W02:53:14 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ElimHerr

proof that BFX backs 8 BPS in top 21

They "back", or "support their efforts (or whatever other word you'd like to supplement), in the form of votes. The chart I supplied is easy to follow.

Doc_Worm02:53:51 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

timweston

EOSToolkit.io Introduces Block Producers Claim Rewards Function. https://steemit.com/eos/@genereos/eostoolkit-io-block-producer-claim-rewards-added

Nice!

Mr Brinker02:56:11 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ElimHerr

proof that BFX backs 8 BPS in top 21

That’s why ADA won’t allow exchanges to stake or be Bp.

Junior Ramos02:56:45 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Guys did we have any airdrop yet

Jason02:58:23 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

This is great - hope all the noobs get weeded out and all the app developers snag up all the tokens, like EOS is supposed to be!

Tim Weston - GenerEOS Australia02:58:28 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Doc_Worm

Nice!

Thanks Doc !

Daz W02:58:51 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

MrBrinker

That’s why ADA won’t allow exchanges to stake or be Bp.

That isn't a bad rule.

Jason02:58:58 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Everyone complaining about the arbitrator - it's the first time we have ever seen a blockchain that has a real governance process in place.

Jason02:59:02 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Should be embracing it.

Doc_Worm02:59:44 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

timweston

Thanks Doc !

👍

Jeff W03:00:00 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

mrFomoski

What happened

Lol.

Mr Brinker03:00:14 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaymoney710

Everyone complaining about the arbitrator - it's the first time we have ever seen a blockchain that has a real governance process in place.

Do we really need one?? We can have our funds in bank accounts if we are looking for centralised authority

Jeff W03:00:26 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Everything is fucked. Go back to your holiday.

Tim03:00:39 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Is it possible that exchanges are stalling EOS withdrawals so they can secure airdrops?

Prospex03:00:57 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Y We tanking?

Jeff W03:01:11 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

blockthug

Is it possible that exchanges are stalling EOS withdrawals so they can secure airdrops?

/tinfoil hat society.

Jeff W03:01:15 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

/tinfoil

Jeff W03:01:16 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

/tinfoil

Jason03:01:59 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

MrBrinker

Do we really need one?? We can have our funds in bank accounts if we are looking for centralised authority

I think we do. What happens when you lose your credit card? There has to be some governance in place.

Daz W03:02:07 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

MrBrinker

Do we really need one?? We can have our funds in bank accounts if we are looking for centralised authority

The arbitrator isn't centralized, and no one is forcing you to own eosio. You may sell at anytime. The rules were in place before you chose to purchase.

Jim S03:02:13 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

adamc88

Y We tanking?

What price you buy at?

Michael Scanlon03:02:14 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

adamc88

Y We tanking?

Because we are all part of a massive pyramid scheme!

Jeff W03:02:40 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

blockthug

Is it possible that exchanges are stalling EOS withdrawals so they can secure airdrops?

Exchanges don’t rely on stealing shitcoins to make a living.

Daz W03:02:59 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

blockthug

Is it possible that exchanges are stalling EOS withdrawals so they can secure airdrops?

I've wondered that, myself. Pure speculation at this point.

Prospex03:03:12 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

MichaelScanlon

Because we are all part of a massive pyramid scheme!

So its a scam?

Mr Brinker03:03:50 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jaymoney710

I think we do. What happens when you lose your credit card? There has to be some governance in place.

Exactly if you need this type of “governance” just keep usin your bank and cc. I’m in crypto for the freedom and no one being able to freeze my account and decide what I do with it. But if you guys happy the way EOS is what can I do

Jim S03:04:11 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jsw513

Exchanges don’t rely on stealing shitcoins to make a living.

But exchanges chose to become block producers? 🤔

Daz W03:04:13 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jsw513

Exchanges don’t rely on stealing shitcoins to make a living.

They could be preparing to use the proxy votes the way bitfinex did.

M03:04:21 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

5 dols next week as forecasted 😬

Michael Scanlon03:04:30 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

adamc88

So its a scam?

More a delusion of worth!

M03:04:41 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

5.2 closing by next friday

Prospex03:05:10 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

El_Majo

5.2 closing by next friday

I have my buy order set at $2

Daz W03:05:22 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

El_Majo

5 dols next week as forecasted 😬

This isn't a price discussion.

M03:05:47 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

We have a strong resistance at 5 then 2.6 you are right

Foulagi Johnson03:05:52 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

daniellarimer

Each living organism is centralized but ecosystem is decentralized

😎

Jeff W03:05:59 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Jim S

But exchanges chose to become block producers? 🤔

That doesn’t mean they’re in the business of stealing airdrops.

Tim03:06:28 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

I've wondered that, myself. Pure speculation at this point.

The longer they are locked up the more drops we miss out on. Anyone correct me if I’m wrong?

Daz W03:06:28 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Please read the pinned post. Price discussions are against board rules.

Daz W03:07:14 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

blockthug

The longer they are locked up the more drops we miss out on. Anyone correct me if I’m wrong?

Depends if they are crediting you with them. each exchange is different.

M03:07:38 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Please read the pinned post. Price discussions are against board rules.

Ok just wanted to give some people the ability to trade and double up on their coins in a week☺️

Daz W03:08:04 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

El_Majo

Ok just wanted to give some people the ability to trade and double up on their coins in a week☺️

EOS Price has their own group.

Jason03:08:32 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

MrBrinker

True - I don't there can ever be complete freedom with crypto. Always have to rely on miners, BPs, etc.

Woviz03:09:34 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

unst

Elim Herr - EOS Nation Ambassador03:10:34 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

MrBrinker

its an incentive driven ecco system

Elim Herr - EOS Nation Ambassador03:11:01 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

its a legitimate alternative to the current system which incentivises only the top few

Berto03:11:36 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

anita2080

Ill check em

Daz W03:11:39 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Here's my latest voting record that's ever evolving.

Jason03:12:36 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Are any of you guys building apps on EOS yet?

Mr Brinker03:12:59 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ElimHerr

its an incentive driven ecco system

Do you make any EOS voting or participating on the protocol? I don’t think so. So the argument of creating a sustainable ecosystem won’t persuade mass adoption.

Mr Brinker03:13:56 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It will have to come from the quality of the DaAps developed on the blockchain

Jim S03:14:51 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jsw513

That doesn’t mean they’re in the business of stealing airdrops.

Then why?

Daz W03:15:16 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

MrBrinker

You can't vote for your bank president, unless you're a co-op. If you noticed, no co-op required government intervention during the recession. EOS is a co-op. You can vote for the President here.

Jim S03:16:24 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

You can't vote for your bank president, unless you're a co-op. If you noticed, no co-op required government intervention during the recession. EOS is a co-op. You can vote for the President here.

If this model can be applied to each business...not only would you have stake in each business but you will also have digital voting power. I am not sure how we will reach this but the idea is quite brilliant.

Matthew03:16:49 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sandw1ch

I have updated my votes to reflect block producers that have been critical of the ECAF process. I am a proxy.

Hey Sandwich, what is your account name for proxy voting?

Jim S03:17:12 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

You can't vote for your bank president, unless you're a co-op. If you noticed, no co-op required government intervention during the recession. EOS is a co-op. You can vote for the President here.

No board member would be voted in if they aren’t helping the business grow

jmw41103:17:18 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

MrBrinker

You can come into this Telegram and act like a douchebag. Oh wait, you already thought of that.

Scabandari Bloodeye03:17:38 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Anyone here hyped on the free EON airdrop?

Scabandari Bloodeye03:17:51 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Looks like they're going after AWS

Scabandari Bloodeye03:17:59 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Big market

rob03:18:16 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

eosflare is showing a transfer from the eosDAC tokens to my account

rob03:18:27 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

and something called eosadddddddd

rob03:18:31 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

whatever that is

Jim S03:18:31 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rob

eosflare is showing a transfer from the eosDAC tokens to my account

Yup 😁. It’s done

jmw41103:18:34 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

blockthug

The longer they are locked up the more drops we miss out on. Anyone correct me if I’m wrong?

To my understanding, you received the air drops, but you just can't see them without the wallet.

Adam| EOS Tribe (eosTribe.io)03:18:46 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

MrBrinker

I think we should adress this when someones account is frozen without the owner requesting it, the current process is very thorough in making sure that the proper account owner is the one freezing it

rob03:18:47 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

how can you check your eosDAC balance on the eos chain now

Scabandari Bloodeye03:19:09 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

the online editor looks good but it would be much better with curriculum like codeacademy

Adam| EOS Tribe (eosTribe.io)03:19:19 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rob

how can you check your eosDAC balance on the eos chain now

https://steemit.com/eosdac/@eosdac/the-eosdac-token-distribution-is-complete

Daz W03:20:34 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Jim S

No board member would be voted in if they aren’t helping the business grow

love it.

rob03:20:56 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

is that Simpleos wallet it reccomends confirmed legit?

rob03:21:02 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

anyone tried it yet

Matthew03:21:39 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

There's no such thing as the impossibility of failure, with anything.

+1 Its nice to see you guys taking such good care of this newb.

master trading03:22:37 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS goes to 0,0 usd...

Daz W03:22:43 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Matthew

+1 Its nice to see you guys taking such good care of this newb.

😁

Keyser Söze03:23:10 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

just installed greymass wallet

Keyser Söze03:23:12 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

nice

Keyser Söze03:24:05 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

can you import tokens from another eos private key once you have already installed greymass wallet with a different private key?

Troi Bryan | EOS.Cafe |03:24:07 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

UsualxSuspect

just installed greymass wallet

Yeah it works great

Keyser Söze03:24:23 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

freedomengineer

Yeah it works great

nice and simple too

Xanon03:24:43 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Is greymass better than simpleos ?

ximply03:24:48 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Two airdrops now on eos. Nice

Keyser Söze03:25:15 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ximply

Two airdrops now on eos. Nice

how'd you find this

Keyser Söze03:25:32 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Xanon

Is greymass better than simpleos ?

havent used simpleos so I cant say

ximply03:25:40 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

UsualxSuspect

how'd you find this

use eosflare.io to check

Keyser Söze03:26:09 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ximply

use eosflare.io to check

thanks

Matthew Klaassen03:26:44 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Patrick...Buy between 5 and 6....

Xanon03:27:31 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Can anyone share what’s going on with these suspended wallets I haven’t migrated my tokens over yet I’m sceptic on the wallets

Bit Hunter03:28:03 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Same here

Keyser Söze03:28:08 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Xanon

Can anyone share what’s going on with these suspended wallets I haven’t migrated my tokens over yet I’m sceptic on the wallets

where'd you hear this?

Xanon03:28:58 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Well I have the CoinTelegraph app on my phone and saw today there were 27 wallets frozen

Xanon03:29:17 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

*Accounts was the word used

Gilgamesh03:29:21 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

woo chainriftxxx who's against ECAF is up to #99 block producer now, only matter of time until #1 ranked :) can we support block producers here? cause if you don't like censorship with no public proofs, they are the ones you want to vote in :) https://www.eosstats.io/hourlystats/

Bit Hunter03:29:41 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I vote for B1 to step in and put us at ease. Thats my only vote so far

Daz W03:29:46 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Xanon

Can anyone share what’s going on with these suspended wallets I haven’t migrated my tokens over yet I’m sceptic on the wallets

Account owners requested the temporary freezing of those accounts due to theft.

Gilgamesh03:29:54 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

chainriftxxx block producer will crush ECAF, cancel censorship w/o proof, and make anime real

Xanon03:30:35 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Account owners requested the temporary freezing of those accounts due to theft.

I see thanks

Xanon03:31:04 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Again is anyone in here using simpleos

Xanon03:31:07 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Is it safe?

Eggxeon03:31:22 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Why is everyone making such a fuzz over the freezing of alleged scam accounts? None of the 27 accounts came out to claim they were innocent as well. I think if we want crypto to go mainstream, protection again scams IS a good thing....

Bit Hunter03:32:11 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Xanon

Is it safe?

Sure, Like jumping out of airplane (skydiving) is safe

Shaun03:32:59 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Freezing accounts is just wrong. This is crypto.

Shaun03:33:41 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

People I haven't met make decisions of which accounts to freeze. Not a sustainable system. I have to trust them?

t7803:33:58 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Shaun

Freezing accounts is just wrong. This is crypto.

what if you would be compromised? what would you like to do? See your funds dissappear?

t7803:34:18 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

or would you like to recoever them?

Shaun03:34:19 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

My risk, my fault

Shaun03:34:35 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If I clicked in a phishing scam I deserve it

t7803:34:50 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Doesnt always have to be your fault

Daz W03:35:02 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

They can't change the constitution no matter what position they're in :)

Shaun03:35:29 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Now you have a government making decisions. What's the point of crypto. Go back to fiat, they missed the whole point.

Keyser Söze03:35:31 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Eggxeon

If they can freeze scam accounts, they can freeze any accounts. Thats the arguement on Reddit. People want complete decentralization in crypto, but my thoughts are that no company, that has raised billions of dollars are going to let uknown developers and people control that capital...

Keyser Söze03:35:37 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

kinda common sense to me

Daz W03:36:41 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Eggxeon

You're confusing the 20 accounts with the 27. Two different actions.

Shaun03:36:53 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Four billion dollar farce. We've been fleeced.

jmw41103:37:30 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

What use is an EOS token to a non developer?

Gilgamesh03:37:31 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Shaun

People I haven't met make decisions of which accounts to freeze. Not a sustainable system. I have to trust them?

no, it's temporary, and if you don't like reason, you switch votes to whoever is not censoring, for example ChainRiftxxx block producer who brought attention to this issue

Daz W03:37:39 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Shaun

People I haven't met make decisions of which accounts to freeze. Not a sustainable system. I have to trust them?

You haven't met any of the block producers, either. So what's your point?

Gilgamesh03:38:09 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

They can't change the constitution no matter what position they're in :)

why not? constitution is not law of the land, it's just initial write up with consensus overwriting it

Gilgamesh03:39:08 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

UsualxSuspect

block producers on any chain can freeze accounts, there are incentives in place to prevent that, including here, unless they have a really damn good reason

Daz W03:39:16 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Shaun

If I clicked in a phishing scam I deserve it

So murder should be legal, according to your logic. You walk down a dark alley and get shot, your fault. You seem to be missing a few marbles.

Shaun03:39:27 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

You don't get it. How is this different from the present banking system? If these accounts can be frozen, any accounts can be frozen. And you trust the people in charge to remain fair and just for eternity? What a joke. Nothing has ever worked that way in the history of the world. Wake up dummies.

Keyser Söze03:39:33 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I'm on greymass, anyone knows what this does?

Gilgamesh03:39:46 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Shaun

can you vote out bankers?

t7803:39:57 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

So murder should be legal, according to your logic. You walk down a dark alley and get shot, your fault. You seem to be missing a few marbles.

yeah, because this is crypto eej

Gilgamesh03:40:05 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

there's no trust involved, especially for all eternity

Crypto Jack03:40:14 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS is going down so hard 🙈😥 I don't believe in EOS anymore and for that reason i just swapped all my eos to LISK. GL EOS and Goodbye

Shaun03:40:21 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Freezing these accounts makes no account safe. You are defending the indefensible only because you have money invested. Lol

Phil West03:40:23 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

oh no

Gilgamesh03:40:42 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

UsualxSuspect

I'm on greymass, anyone knows what this does?

uhhh i wouldn't click that but it probably just erases your locally stored and encrypted private key

Keyser Söze03:41:15 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

uhhh i wouldn't click that but it probably just erases your locally stored and encrypted private key

ok...I'm trying to find a way to import multiple private keys

Daz W03:41:17 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jmw411

What use is an EOS token to a non developer?

Leasing rights to the real-estate you own.

Gilgamesh03:41:22 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

IMTHEREALNAPSTER

EOS is going down so hard 🙈😥 I don't believe in EOS anymore and for that reason i just swapped all my eos to LISK. GL EOS and Goodbye

you swapped to lisk where they reward voters to only vote for current block producers making them impossible to vote out? lol

Eggxeon03:41:35 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

One of the main reason why mass adoption is so tough is due to the scams and the fear of losing all their investment. If EOS can relieve some of those fears, i am 100% behind EOS governance structure

Dwidh03:41:37 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

UsualxSuspect

I'm on greymass, anyone knows what this does?

its erases your private key from greymass wallet

Gilgamesh03:42:04 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

UsualxSuspect

ok...I'm trying to find a way to import multiple private keys

I think you can't in greymass, scatter probably better then

Shaun03:42:11 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS is fake crypto. What's next, dollar bills that incinerate if they are used illegally? Actually fiat is looking safer than EOS now, at least I have full control of it, don't have to rely in someone else deeming me fit to control it.

Daz W03:42:25 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

brasscal

yeah, because this is crypto eej

If that's the best utilization of brain cells you've got, you're going to have a very difficult life, young man.

Shaun03:42:42 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

This mass adoption argument is tired. This is hurting crypto

Gilgamesh03:42:45 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Shaun

any policeman can take away your fiat

Shaun03:42:56 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Haha really?

Gilgamesh03:43:05 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

banks too. and you can't vote them out or complain

Shaun03:43:05 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

How will he find it?

John McCoffee03:43:06 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

If that's the best utilization of brain cells you've got, you're going to have a very difficult life, young man.

i havent read the convo, but lol

Eggxeon03:43:11 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Everyone keeps talking about mainstream adoption but no one tries to solve the number one fundamental problem with crypto right now....

P K03:43:24 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Lots of apps in development...hopefully it will start recovering organically.

Gilgamesh03:43:33 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Shaun

How will he find it?

ask these guys: "Since 2007, the DEA has taken $3.2 billion in cash from people not charged with a crime"

Shaun03:43:35 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

You guys are defending this, unbelievable. Your investment is blinding you.

Gilgamesh03:43:59 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Shaun

You guys are defending this, unbelievable. Your investment is blinding you.

nobody is defending censorship w/o reason, people are mad and block producers changing their stance

jmw41103:44:23 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Leasing rights to the real-estate you own.

Thanks. I knew that part. I guess we can include being an airdrop recipient, too. Anything else?

P K03:44:24 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Shaun

You guys are defending this, unbelievable. Your investment is blinding you.

Can they amend the Constitution, if all this backfires?

Daz W03:44:26 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

HoneyBooBoosMom

i havent read the convo, but lol

Just bickering with teenagers that thibk they have "it" figured out. lol

Paulo Gizmo03:44:39 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Eggxeon

Everyone keeps talking about mainstream adoption but no one tries to solve the number one fundamental problem with crypto right now....

Is that the fact that nobody is trying to solve the number one fundamental problem with crypto right now?

Andrew03:44:42 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

What's ADD?

Andrew03:44:48 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

😉

Andrew03:44:58 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

coin I mean

Shaun03:45:01 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Ugh so much for EOS. Next generation my ass. It doesn't even know how to crypto. You guys aren't realistic, thus behavior end in failure.

Shaun03:45:06 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

This*

Andrew03:45:24 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Shaun

Ugh so much for EOS. Next generation my ass. It doesn't even know how to crypto. You guys aren't realistic, thus behavior end in failure.

Sell then

Shaun03:45:24 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I'm out, good luck you guys

John McCoffee03:45:30 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Shaun

Ugh so much for EOS. Next generation my ass. It doesn't even know how to crypto. You guys aren't realistic, thus behavior end in failure.

maybe eos isnt for you

Shaun03:45:32 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I am. Bye.

Shaun03:45:40 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It's not. Cheers and good luck.

Andrew03:45:42 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

You realize the entire market is down, right?>

Daz W03:45:43 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

jmw411

Thanks. I knew that part. I guess we can include being an airdrop recipient, too. Anything else?

That pretty much covers it.

Gilgamesh03:45:57 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Shaun

Ugh so much for EOS. Next generation my ass. It doesn't even know how to crypto. You guys aren't realistic, thus behavior end in failure.

bye, sorry you dislike consensus and on-chain governance

Andrew03:45:59 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Patience...

Andrew03:46:31 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Markets may trend downwards some more for the next couple of weeks, so just hang in tight/HODL.

Daz W03:47:14 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

bye, sorry you dislike consensus and on-chain governance

He's looking for that quick buck ico he reads about in reddit spam adds. lol

Andrew03:47:17 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Could even go beyond that, but the good news is Mt. Goxx has been ordered to not sell off further until next year...

Keyser Söze03:47:49 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Andrew

Could even go beyond that, but the good news is Mt. Goxx has been ordered to not sell off further until next year...

true but futures have distrupted crypto

Andrew03:47:56 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Some saving grace, but we still need SEC regulations for ETFs/custodian accounts and to allow for institutional money to pour into the market.

Blue Man03:48:02 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

voting system is perfectly fine, could maybe use more incentives for participating in voting that pays out of block reward for voters

That’s excellent idea! We need all the voters active not just now but long term

Andrew03:48:17 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

What's ADD coin?

Andrew03:48:23 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I noticed in my EOS wallet from airdrop presumably

Andrew03:48:39 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Really looking forward to Everipedia

Crypto Jack03:48:50 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

DrSpikeSpiegel

you swapped to lisk where they reward voters to only vote for current block producers making them impossible to vote out? lol

😏 Dude go shill ur EOS.. It will be game over soon.

Andrew03:48:56 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I'll be very happy when I see that one show up next...

Andrew03:49:15 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

To each their own...

Cryto Lover03:49:18 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Eos got dumped so hard:(

Daz W03:49:36 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

IMTHEREALNAPSTER

😏 Dude go shill ur EOS.. It will be game over soon.

You're here every day saying the same thing. Still waiting for game over, lol

yas ter03:49:44 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

there is no transaction in eos block , why?

Loopow03:50:03 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Eos got dumped so happy :)

jmw41103:50:14 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Andrew

What's ADD coin?

I have been trying to answer you, but I keep getting distracted in my thoughts.

Crypto Jack03:50:22 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

You're here every day saying the same thing. Still waiting for game over, lol

I know when it's time to execute. Everyday here no lol

yas ter03:50:37 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

it will still dump...

Andrew03:50:46 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Not sure why transactions stuck

Andrew03:51:06 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

just saw it move

yas ter03:51:11 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

no body send transaction

Loopow03:51:20 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I want to buy cheaper EOS.

Loopow03:51:24 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Just dump

Jason Willis03:51:29 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

So much fud out there recently.

Daz W03:51:34 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

IMTHEREALNAPSTER

I know when it's time to execute. Everyday here no lol

litterally every day for the last week, yes. I've spoke to you several times this week. You're a troll. A weak one, however.

yas ter03:51:41 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

because we are afraid

Daz W03:52:25 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

yas ter

because we are afraid

Of what?

yas ter03:52:30 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

the richer is on world cup casino

Jason Willis03:52:40 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

yas ter

because we are afraid

No I mean...straight up wrong information.

yas ter03:53:07 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

bug

yas ter03:53:13 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

afraid of bugs

Andrew03:53:15 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Was expected to have some EOS selloff after mainnet went live; that compounded now by market downturn, so just hang in there. Patience is required.

yas ter03:53:39 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i think wo need to help the team to find out bug

_03:53:41 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EOS GG

Daz W03:53:42 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

yas ter

bug

Don'g walk in the garden barefoot then. simple.

yas ter03:53:54 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

so we should send cheap transaction

Jason Willis03:54:01 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

yas ter

i think wo need to help the team to find out bug

What are you talking about?

Elmer Fud03:54:33 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

knew this shit would go down the drain

Daz W03:54:37 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

yas ter

i think wo need to help the team to find out bug

There isn't a bug. what are you talking about?

yas ter03:54:47 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

why there is no transaction in the block

John McCoffee03:55:14 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

because nobody is making a transaction?

yas ter03:55:22 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

no no , there must lots of bugs

Daz W03:55:24 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

yas ter

why there is no transaction in the block

There's over 2 million transactions. what on earth are you talking about?

John McCoffee03:55:57 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

blocks are made in under 1 second. some blocks may be empty

Jason Willis03:56:16 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

yas ter

no no , there must lots of bugs

🙄

yas ter03:56:16 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i see block infomation in http://scaneos.io/

Elmer Fud03:56:53 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

hello

Daz W03:56:53 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

apcuddling

🙄

Obviously he's at the bottom of tge gene pool.

Jason Willis03:56:55 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EImerFud

knew this shit would go down the drain

??? The whole market is down.

Elmer Fud03:57:04 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

not whole

yas ter03:57:44 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

not whole ?

Jason Willis03:57:51 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EImerFud

not whole

Okay.. “most of the market” is down.

jmw41103:57:58 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ukcables

Obviously he's at the bottom of the gene pool.

😆

Daz W03:58:17 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EImerFud

not whole

The crypto market as a whole is down.

jmw41103:58:26 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EImerFud

not whole

Knot hole

Stephen03:59:04 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Why the fuk is eos down so much

Elmer Fud03:59:04 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

some is actually going up, as some always do when people say the whole market is down

MD03:59:07 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

apcuddling

??? The whole market is down.

Look at the performance for last 1 month. EOS is going down faster. I know 1 month is not long enough to judge, but it is still frustrating!!

yas ter03:59:08 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

which super node is process transaction ?

施霖

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Elmer Fud03:59:37 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

yes eos really started to go down fast aaafter vote and mainnet

Khaiver03:59:48 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Seriously. What on earth is block one doing?? EOS is going down so much

yas ter03:59:49 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

yes, there must be sometiong wrong

Jason Willis03:59:51 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Look at the performance for last 1 month. EOS is going down faster. I know 1 month is not long enough to judge, but it is still frustrating!!

Well yeah, that’s during the time of the launch. A bit rocky.

Daz W03:59:53 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EImerFud

some is actually going up, as some always do when people say the whole market is down

You're unfamiliar with basic common sense. the market as a whole is down.

Elmer Fud03:59:54 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

everyone expected a pump... lol

rob04:00:05 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

no everyone expected a dump and they got it

John McCoffee04:00:08 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i didnt

John McCoffee04:00:40 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

yas ter

which super node is process transaction ?

eosnetworkmonitor.io/#home

Daz W04:00:46 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EImerFud

everyone expected a pump... lol

That's what you get for speculating.

Elmer Fud04:00:47 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i know many expected a pump, or talked about it

Elmer Fud04:01:02 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i was sure it would go down

Max04:01:42 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Every alt coin is getting absolutely crushed right now

Khaiver04:01:44 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Holy shit... this is too much pain to bear

Andrew04:01:51 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

What's ADD coin?

Max04:01:52 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Just HODL and chill

Datajunky04:01:55 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Evening family. How's everyone doing tonight ?

John McCoffee04:02:01 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

@eosprice

yas ter04:02:03 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

eos will kill blockchain if it is go donw to zeor

Daz W04:02:16 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

EImerFud

i was sure it would go down

lol. i can't take these idiots who know nothing about business, anymore. I'm going to watch a movie. goodnight.

Max04:02:28 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

HoneyBooBoosMom

@eosprice

It's like $7.62 right now

rob04:02:31 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It's probably going under a dollar, I've pretty much just accepted it at this point, going down with the ship anyway lol

John McCoffee04:02:41 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Datajunky

Evening family. How's everyone doing tonight ?

fine and dandy

John McCoffee04:02:56 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

MaxGid

It's like $7.62 right now

thats the chat for price talk

Datajunky04:03:00 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Khaiger

Seriously. What on earth is block one doing?? EOS is going down so much

They're doing there job lol relax man.

Elmer Fud04:03:05 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

lol

Khaiver04:03:28 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

They’re supposed to protect us token holders

Khaiver04:03:33 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

They’re not doing their job

Anton C04:03:34 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Rip to my portfolio

John McCoffee04:03:40 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

from?

Datajunky04:03:54 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

MaxGid

It's like $7.62 right now

Haha that's cute how you thought he was asking you for the price

Goku04:04:03 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

What a piece of 💩 coin

Jason Willis04:04:12 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Andrew

What's ADD coin?

Airdrop on EOS chain.

Serkan04:04:25 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

luckely ı did not invest too much

sunarto ang04:04:48 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

😭😭

Goku04:04:48 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Who were the people that laughed at me when I said to sell at top?

Serkan04:05:00 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

once 13 usd again, I am going to sell this shitt

Datajunky04:05:04 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Khaiger

They’re supposed to protect us token holders

Have you read the white paper? That's not there job. I'm in it for the stake. What are you here for?

Elmer Fud04:05:13 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ofc people should have sold at top

rob04:05:41 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

"sell the top" wow genius advice lol

Khaiver04:05:49 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hell. I have 5 digits of EOS but staking ain’t going to do much when token price is taking a straight nose dive

rob04:05:54 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

buy the bottom, there's more revolutionary advice

Datajunky04:05:55 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sounds_of_mind

once 13 usd again, I am going to sell this shitt

Don't sell it to one guy. sell it to 100 people and teach them about the future of blockchain.

Mauricio04:06:37 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

And call it Eos lul jk

rob04:06:39 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

i'm just going to keep it staked, good way to keep strong hands

Serkan04:06:48 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Datajunky

Don't sell it to one guy. sell it to 100 people and teach them about the future of blockchain.

I am trader ... I do not care about the future of blockchain - this is devs job

John Cruz04:06:59 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Back to .57 cent ouch

Andrew04:07:41 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Price of EOS should be discussed on EOS Price telegram groupl not here.

Datajunky04:07:59 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sounds_of_mind

I am trader ... I do not care about the future of blockchain - this is devs job

This chat isn't for trading.i thought traders were literate

Elmer Fud04:08:00 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

bla bla bla

Steven McCabe04:08:09 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

https://t.me/EOSPrice is the place to discuss pricing and trading.

Elmer Fud04:08:35 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

this channel is only for people who didnt sell and cry then?

Andrew04:08:39 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

johnankorus

Back to .57 cent ouch

Nice try to spread FUD BTW; aint' gonna work.

Serkan04:08:47 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Andrew

The price of EOS should be discussed on EOS Price telegram group not here.

yeah this is great; after they sell their shitt token in one group to all potential investors; now they want to seperate the channels .... great scammer skills

Rick04:09:05 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Just accept it boys eos is dead

A P04:09:09 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Hey guys, are there any recommendations on how to transfer my eos tokens to bitfinex?

Andrew04:09:17 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sounds_of_mind

yeah this is great; after they sell their shitt token in one group to all potential investors; now they want to seperate the channels .... great scammer skills

That channel has existed for some time now; nothing new.

Elmer Fud04:09:24 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sounds_of_mind

yeah this is great; after they sell their shitt token in one group to all potential investors; now they want to seperate the channels .... great scammer skills

👍

A P04:09:34 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Also, how do we check on the airdropped tokens to eos address?

John McCoffee04:09:36 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Aappap

Hey guys, are there any recommendations on how to transfer my eos tokens to bitfinex?

do you have an eos wallet yet?

Khaiver04:09:43 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Gosh... i’m so disappointed in block one. They’re super well funded. They’ve raised 4 billion dollars. And they’ll just let the token price to tank like this?

A P04:09:51 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

HoneyBooBoosMom

do you have an eos wallet yet?

Nope.

rob04:09:55 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

is there a link to the greymass wallet

Jason Willis04:10:01 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

It’s surprising to see how many people are wanting to pull out considering EOS just started up. Also, what the hell did you people buy at? I’m still way on top. Seems like a lot of you bought in when it was high.

Andrew04:10:04 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Khaiger

Gosh... i’m so disappointed in block one. They’re super well funded. They’ve raised 4 billion dollars. And they’ll just let the token price to tank like this?

It's temporary; entire market down; not just EOS.

sunarto ang04:10:09 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

/volume eos

Jason Willis04:10:14 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Khaiger

Gosh... i’m so disappointed in block one. They’re super well funded. They’ve raised 4 billion dollars. And they’ll just let the token price to tank like this?

....block one has no control over the price....???

t7804:10:20 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rob

is there a link to the greymass wallet

https://github.com/greymass/eos-voter

John McCoffee04:10:23 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rob

is there a link to the greymass wallet

https://t.me/eoswalletgreymass

Elmer Fud04:10:24 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Khaiger

Gosh... i’m so disappointed in block one. They’re super well funded. They’ve raised 4 billion dollars. And they’ll just let the token price to tank like this?

mhm...

Steven McCabe04:10:24 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Aappap

Also, how do we check on the airdropped tokens to eos address?

https://eospark.com/MainNet/account/YOUR_ACCOUNT_NAME

rob04:10:27 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

cool thanks

M04:10:32 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Khaiger

Gosh... i’m so disappointed in block one. They’re super well funded. They’ve raised 4 billion dollars. And they’ll just let the token price to tank like this?

Block one doesnt need eos token blockchain will do great not eos token

Serkan04:10:33 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Andrew

It's temporary; entire market down; not just EOS.

we will see how eos gonna be reacht when btc and eth is bullish again

rob04:10:47 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

are you actually john mcafee

Justin04:10:55 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

apcuddling

Buy high sell low bro

John Cruz04:11:11 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sounds_of_mind

yeah this is great; after they sell their shitt token in one group to all potential investors; now they want to seperate the channels .... great scammer skills

Great point

Serkan04:11:12 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Wotan3x3

Buy high sell low bro

😂

Jason Willis04:11:16 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Wotan3x3

Buy high sell low bro

Apparently that’s what most of people plan to do.

Andrew04:11:18 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

sounds_of_mind

we will see how eos gonna be react when btc and eth is bullish again

Or even better; we'll see EOS rise, while BTC remains stagnant. A decoupling will emerge soon, especially with exchanges like coinbase and bittrex offering more alt coins from fiat.

Khaiver04:11:31 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

The rest of the alts are going down 3~5%..... EOS has dropped whopping 13% today

Elmer Fud04:11:35 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

its good to buy at 0.50 and sell at 15 + dollar

Justin04:11:42 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

apcuddling

Apparently that’s what most of people plan to do.

When the price dips these idiots sell and panic. When it pumps they buy and hype

Elmer Fud04:11:44 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

then rebuy now soon when it hit 1 dollar

Daniel04:11:57 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Which wallet to see airdrops transfered? .if any

Khaiver04:11:58 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Couldn’t block one at least stop it from dropping so much???

Serkan04:12:07 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Andrew

Or we'll see EOS rise, while BTC remains stagnant. A decoupling will emerge soon, especially with exchanges like coinbase and bittrex offering more alt coins from fiat.

no problem I am patient but not patient enough to wait two-three years

Goku04:12:07 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

rob

buy the bottom, there's more revolutionary advice

Who’s worst? Xrp or eos?

Elmer Fud04:12:11 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

eos

Justin04:12:36 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Goku

Who’s worst? Xrp or eos?

Xrp hands down

Andrew04:12:38 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

If it dips, buy more; dollar cost average. Have faith in EOS and remember Buffet's famous quote of be greedy when others are fearful and be fearful when others are greedy.

Steven McCabe04:13:02 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

ifrontier

Which wallet to see airdrops transfered? .if any

https://t.me/EOSproject/783126

Khaiver04:13:22 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Andrew yeah i’ve been doing that man

Andrew04:13:22 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

I saw ADD airdrop in my EOS wallet (used Simpleos wallet).

Justin04:13:27 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Andrew

If it dips, buy more; dollar cost average. Have faith in EOS and remember Buffet's famous quote of be greedy when others are fearful and be fearful when others are greedy.

👍

Andrew04:13:31 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Not sure what ADD coin is though.

Khaiver04:13:32 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

How much more is it gonna dip??

Lambo Moonski04:13:37 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Whats the news?

Elmer Fud04:13:51 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

Khaiger

How much more is it gonna dip??

down to at least 1 dollar

Khaiver04:14:03 - 24 Jun 2018 [UTC]

That ain’t funny man...

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